Why would people get mad about pride charm?
I'm just making this discussion because twitter is exploding with people who loved the charm and homophobics who didn't like it.
I fully support behavior by introducing this charm. They not only shows great support from the company, but also the way that they introduced this theme to the game. In a simple and responsible way and at no time did they seem to be trying to earn social points.
But I wanted to understand more from people who don't agree with this charm. what is the problem so profound with this being in the game?
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I wish I were wrong.
People are hard wired with “I’m right, you’re wrong”. Broadening our scope of outlook and understanding on the world is a learned skill.
Straight people are accepted unconditionally, and the traditional man + woman + kids family is still seen as ‘desirable’. Straight people are consistently represented in all media, and gay people are shafted in this area.
Given that this was your first post, I’m assuming you made an account just to respond.
Because people are trolls. The majority of complaints will be them. The rest will be bigots and those who think it's a political statement.
Alright. I'm not trying to shame you for your religion, and I hope you know that.
Have you seen Twitter? It's a cesspool of hate and ignorance.
I understand, despite the fact that our comments are in the shadow realm now.
Yeah 😂
I'm glad you understand
Oh I see what you mean, like these people that can't bear to be the centre of attention? Yeah that sounds about right. To be fair, it's not uncommon for me to see the same sorts of people in the community goad these egotists that aren't in it about being 'special' and 'in the group'. In the end it seems to be an ego thing if not a hatred over other sexual orientations, which is a thing but I don't think it is as rampant where I'm from anyway.
I have to disagree with heterosexuality being 'celebrated' so much as it is just the 'norm' staistics wise. You don't celebrate things that are taken for granted or are the majority of something. I don't think there's a need to celebrate it either, but those that strongly oppose it do come off as the same egotists we've mentioned before. Gotta make sure we got something over the oppressive 'others', right?
My brother's gay so I'll always share my support for this cause, I'm fine with the charm and I'd be fine with any other charm so long as it doesn't force me to care about more than I want to.
Gay people are not regularly portrayed well at all. Gay people are stereotyped in main stream media as feminine, loud, weak, comedic relief, etc. Quite frankly, I don’t think straight people can determine what is and isn’t fair representation. Again, maybe you should reconsider your life choices if you made this account just to be an ######### on a pro LGBTQ+ thread.
Because it's political activism being injected into an apolitical game, and opposing such a thing does not make one a "homophobe." Of course being gay isn't inherently political, but you cannot deny the political machine that operates under the banner of LGBTQ* exists, and the tiresome pandering by corporations every year around June is part of that.
Well, it's important to be able to see multiple sides of an issue, and I know you didn't mean anything by it, you don't seem that sort of person, from what I've seen.
i'm not denying that but it's not only people on Twitter doing this (take the live chat on the 5th anniversary stream)
Not having to care about something because it doesn’t impact you is the prime example of privilege.
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You know man, you are a lot more of a critical thinker than I originally gave you credit for. Careful though, could get you in trouble in this day and age. +rep
As you said yourself, being gay is not political in anyway and trying to make it a political issue is absolutely wrong. Having an issue with a pride flag is clear cut homophobia, period. No media is apolitical anyway, it’s virtually impossible.
And? That doesn't mean anything. Just because one person doesn't have a specific struggle doesn't mean they're actually privileged as an individual. What is your point?
Ta.
I have an issue with it.
Companies only seem to care during or near June. Why should it be relegated to one month? Perhaps, it's my outside looking in view, but that seems ######### up to only care when there is a possibility of good PR.
In my humble opinion (as someone who isn't a part of the LGBTQ community), Pride shouldn't be relegated to a single month and companies should support it year round. Perhaps it's still too early to do that, to make Pride "normal." That's the end goal, right? To be accepted and treated the same as everyone else?
If I'm totally off-base, I apologize, but I do have an issue with companies using Pride Month as a PR move and ignoring issues the rest of the year.
BHVR did, as this is a Forum for their game, Dead By Daylight and subsequently, they control what is allowed on the Forum.
Educate a twitter user? Hahahaha you must be crazy sir.
I do think he's correct in that, as a straight man, I don't feel that anyone celebrates or pays any particular attention to me or my sexual preference, but otherwise I agree with all of your points.
I agree it should be a year round event, but it’s already hard enough to get people to care for a month right now. It makes it a lot easier to be a big event and get people’s attention.
100% companies use it as a PR move, but really there’s nothing to avoid that in the current state of the world.
For the sake of argument, if a company (any company) were to recognize it year-round, what would you consider to be a proper way of doing so?
Clearly you're the genius here when you made a whole new account to get out of a jail just so you could ######### and moan about Pride more.
Most people support it I don't care either way. I just don't like that survivors are going to wear it on every character so they can try to get killers banned for camping or tunneling
Homosexuality is literaly a crime in 60+ countrys
Proof that this is a thing? It’s a much bigger concern that people will get tunnelled because they’re wearing it.
Also, just as a side note. The burden of educating isn’t on minorities. It’s 2021, google exists and nobody has an excuse for their ignorance anymore.
I'm willing to bet money on it 💰
Not complete and total silence on issues would be a start.
Honestly, I don't feel like I'm capable of properly answering that question, as I am not apart of the community
Alright, I’ll take that bet
Just a side note maybe video games could just be a place to game?
That's a fair answer. Just know that I was legitimately curious, not trying to put you on the spot.
Details? I'm down if we can work out a reasonable way of determining a winner
Then they can remove the references of straight relationships in the game in the case of Claudette’s parents, Felix, Nurse, etc. Gay relationships in games hurt nobody, there is no argument against this.
"I don't believe intelligence can be accurately quantified, but I do have an IQ of 187 and an eidetic memory and can read 20,000 words per minute."
"So yes, I'm a genius."
Oh, so it’s propaganda to promote tolerance and equality now? Thanks for showing your true colours!
Although, they already were exposed when you made an account just to be homophobic.
I had figured, we've discussed this before and I'd simply like to defer my answer to someone like @GoodBoyKaru who may be able to give you a better answer, since they are in the community.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what I think, it matters what those in the LGBTQ community think.
If there was no argument we wouldn't be having an argument. An I agree there's no need for any sexuality at all. This is a video game not health Ed.
And again, that's a wise and diplomatic answer.
You just got me to thinking: If a company WERE to do something to acknowledge the LGBQT community beyond gay pride month, what would they do that wouldn't come across as artificial to that community, or bothersome to the part of the audience that didn't like it?
To me it's just an interesting hypothetical, one that - as you observed - would probably be best explored by someone from that community.
Oh noooo, a rainbow charm is going to destroy your experience noooooooooo
LOL, its a charm. JUST a charm, this game have a kpop idol killer, a elephant clown skin, a santa claus skin and even a dwelf skin. Why is a rainbow charm flag so problematic?
There is no political stuff getting throwed at their face, its just a charm
Precisely why I refrain from discussing this topic, to be honest. I am not a member of the community, and I think it is not the best idea to discuss it if you don't fully understand it. I don't fully understand it.
I love the charm I'm indifferent on people's sexual preference. I don't like that people can get banned for tunneling or camping Because the survivor had the charm. I tunnel and camp with equality
I haven't seen anyone here say that.
Except you, just now.
Its a rainbow charm, GAY STUFF, being gay is not political.
My knowledge of rhetorical questions doesn't affect my decision in responding to you.
It's likely that you've bitten off more than you can chew by arguing with so many people at once.
However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say, if only to pick it apart later.
Also, see the quotes? Those are there for a reason.
Just to be clear, I agree with you. It's just a charm, and I've already unlocked mine.
But, playing devil's advocate as he did, what if there were a symbol of something YOU yourself didn't like, but which many others did, and they put that in the game? Would you not feel that the game was going beyond the realm of being "just a game" and starting to include iconography that you found worrisome? Or if it were a religious symbol that bothered someone else? Say a Muslim player being offended that the game included a menorah to celebrate passover?
Again, this charm doesn't upset me. But I find this debate interesting, I wonder where the lines of acceptability would be drawn.
I think that's a very interesting hypothetical example.