Should keys reward the killer instead of the survivor?
Hello, I play both Survivor and Killer a lot, i enjoy both and i think it is good that the game is getting balanced, however i think it would be an idea to reward the killer if the survivor has to use a key to escape.
I just had a doctor match on Lery's memorial institute, there was 1 gen left and 1 survivor was dead. I think i had a great chance of winning as the 3 gens weren't that far from each other and at least 2 of them had been hooked twice already, then one guy gets rescued and him and his friend jump into the hatch, i close it and then the doors were quite far from each other so the last survivor could escape.
Keys are a part of the game and a way to counter mori in my opinion, however i think it should somehow reward the killer when the survivors have to use the hatch to escape as they can't finish the last gen(s)
I remember Tru3ta1ent talking about this in the past, you can play a decent game as a killer where you are likely to win and then the survivors just use a key and escape which quite frequently gives the survivors a +pip and the killer has to settle with barely a 0 pip.
I think Killers should get more from the games when the survivors use a key to escape and the survivors shouldn't get rewarded with 5000 points (7500 if they don't have max objective points) and quite frequently get a +pip (depends on what else they did that match, but escaping gives good)
The doctor game i just played ended with the 3 survivors escaping easily and i just exactly got 0 pip even though i played well and got 27k bloodpoints.
I'm curious to hear what others have to say about this, if you agree or not, just please provide an explanation as to why you may agree or disagree.
Here are some screenshots for proof.
Comments
Thats the classic entitled killer. Which is exactly 100% of the killer player base. Thata how you get EVERYTHING nerfed for survivors and everything buffed for killers.
You can also close the fkn hatch. So IT IS NERFED.
Killers are the most whiny crybaby entitled peolle ive ever seen in any videogame ever.
And they claim survivors are the entitled ones!!! Lmao.
Average kill rates are at 70% (fkn #########!! its ridiculous how unbalanced this game is for killer side. I just googled it and im shook).
Deadliest killer is FREDDY!!
Thats why they cry so hard, IT WORKS 1000%
and the better the rank, THE HIGHER THE KILLS. Ive never seen anything like that. This could be the most unbalanced game ive ever seen.
Its so bad that the higher you get in rank, the better you do. Fkn insane. Thats why dbd isnt competitive and its a joke on a competitive level.
Imagine if in rainbow six or league the higher your rank is, the better you do lol.
Flip the roles around and you get moris. : D
I don't think killers should be awarded for let escapes, considering they didn't actually do anything, but I think survivors should receive less survival points for it. Like maybe 1 banner lower in the survival pip category? For example if they would have gotten a gold, they get a silver.
That's not possible... Correct me if I'm wrong but hatch spawns when the survivors have done 1 more gen then there are people left alive. In that situation, they had done three gens and there were three of them left. Hatch shouldn't have spawned yet...
This is blatantly untrue. LOL, you do not see 5x, let alone 10x, as many keys as moris, pinkies or hatchets. I don't think you see as many keys as you see addon + mori combos even. 😂 Might as well go ahead and Tombstone in there, while you're listing extremely powerful iris. In addition to these pretty damn powerful iri's, very few of the Killer iri's are actually "trash". Mint rag - good. Iri King - good. Iri coil - good. This is just silly all the way around, good sir.
Killers have numerous powerful iri's that have not been nerfed, or have even been buffed. :)
Survivors have keys.
That's it.
You say that like survivor's iris weren't stronger then killer's iri's for most of their existence along with some literally ending games in under a min.
With pre-nerf BNP I think the fastest I have seen in videos were the gates being powered in 52 seconds.
I feel like keys should give the survivors using it next to no points to be more in line with killer moris. Instead of giving bonus points for some reason.
All of this is irrelevant because BASE survivor strong. A competent survivor can waste a solid two minutes of a normal killer’s time by knowing tiles and staying safe. This is why there are only a few killers who can even try to compete. And not to be a **** but if you only play one side, you really shouldn’t be posting opinions. You don’t know how the whole game works.
Maybe it was already answered but if your team is dying faster then your key will offer you an escape quicker. Keys are not "get my whole team out" items but rather personal escape tool that CAN get everyone out.
My opinion is to simply remove both Mori and Keys or do a serious overhaul to the effects of both.
Why would killers mori someone 2nd hook when it's a waste of time and they can just hook them again to sacrifice? What's the point of a mori.
I do like some of these Ideas and I can get behind them
Plunders 3 gives keys out quite regularly.
Basically both Mori and Keys are unhealthy for the game because they skip core mechanics.
While they feel great for the person using them, they are polarizing for the person they are being used against and the effect of both does not mesh with how the "pip" system currently works.
For Once I agree with Peanuts here that something does need to be done. If survivors hatch on me (as killer) i actually give them a "grats on hatch". Because we ALL know the adrenaline RUSH we get as actual human beings, how exhilarating it is to ESCAPE DEATH and find that hatch. Being in their position that would be a rush for me as well!
----
I really lost that thrill and enthusiasm when they brought in Hatch closing. You know. ECG could have been MORE of a RUSH and THRILL had they left the hatch stuff alone and MAYBE went with something such as a one-hit down, but no hatch grabbing. That is the only reason why stand-offs occurred in the first place 🤣
If the killer was standing on the hatch, it wouldn't work either way unless they then, were forced to chase, swipe and pick a person off the ground :P
oh well.
I’ve honestly thought that pips and emblems were the problem. I’ve gotten 10 hooks but no pip? Somethings a bit off. In my opinion, pips shouldn’t rely on what the killer is doing. If he’s camping, give the survivor more points in boldness because they’re distracting the killer. Enough to finish at least 3 gens, and enough that they don’t depip. With first hook tunneling mori, I’d have no idea how to make it so they leave with at least 0. For killers, I guess just take the amount of hooks they got, divide by 2 and multiply by the number of people who escaped via key (not hatch because hatch on its own is a balanced mechanic), so if I got 8 hooks but all people escape through the hatch, even when I had a good set up with the gates, I’d get 16 more points for emblems. If only one person escaped then it would just be counted as hatch. This is just a half formed idea I just came up with though so it’s probably not that good
if you think tombstone is a good iridescent, I'm going to disregard your opinion as being from a low-skill player. There's no reason Michael should be able to get enough stalk in a match to activate tombstone, unless he plays exceedingly well and has a full slowdown build. And this doesn't speak to the power of tombstone, as he probably would of won without it. The blue ribbon, memorial flower, and Judith's journal are all much more practical and versatile add-ons.
in like 5 matches as killer at rank 1 last night, I encountered 4 keys. Two of them were in the same game, granted. Survivors constantly bring keys, and then ######### when you tunnel them. They just want the free win.
But they don't need Iris to dominate a killer. And demand that killers follow their rulebook.
The point of the mori then would just be the animation and skipping DS. Moris shouldn't be in the game at all. They skip more than half of the killers objective if its an ebony, and an early game ivory is almost as game changing. I don't ever use moris on my killer because it's just unfair, and a free win for when i do use it. Offerings should not have that big of an impact on the game, survivors have no comparable offering, and keys are not nearly as bad as moris. (They are still bad tho)
Not what I said, kill them fair and square not oh go tunnel them to the ground and screw their entire game because they might find a way out. A key requires more than a mori cause the hatch has to actually spawn to be usable whereas a mori you just need to hook the person once with the exception of yellow ones
Wow. Lol talking about balance but yet everything is always favoring the killers. Bro you got more points then the whole lobby and yet you saying well can i get more? lol are you kidding me. Like there is no way you're actually serious. First and foremost it takes a ton of bloodpoints to even get the opportunity at keys which im sure are amongst the lower half of % chances to pop up on a bloodweb. Also an easy counter to a key is franklins demise perk. Lastly, survivors still have to do 1 more gen than the amount of survivors alive to be able to even use the key. So all that work isn't for waste. But you just want free bloodpoints for doing nothing? So sick of the heavy killer advantages and continuing advantages and then consistent survivor perks or item nerfs, and then consistent complaining for killers that any and everything is still too op. Ridiculous. So in turn I heavily disagree and this is super unbalanced