Instead of nerfing legion can we just nerf the DW

Right now Legion (PTB) with the nemesis perk and some add ons is op, but this is not Legion fault but DW. Legion has a lot of nerfs over the last year and almost zero buffs so they need some love. #SaveLegion.

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  • Deep Wound is part of Legion power. It's entirely his fault

  • @Mc_Harty said:

    Deep Wound is part of Legion power. It's entirely his fault

    You can simple take out the DW from legion kit and nothing change

  • @KingOfGhost said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/854987#Comment_854987

    You can simple take out the DW from legion kit and nothing change

    Then he'll just down people after the second frenzy hit.

    That'll be even more bullshit then what's going on the PTB.

  • @Mc_Harty said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/854994#Comment_854994

    Then he'll just down people after the second frenzy hit.

    That'll be even more bullshit then what's going on the PTB.

    I mean the first hit withh FF is just that a Hit the second one is DW. Just make DW have a lower timers but the timer don't go down when you are in TR and everything should be fine.

  • As much as i love legion he whole power need to change feral frenzy will always be either op aand broken or weak and useless they should give legion a whole new power

  • Im all for the rework idea where he can jump into lockers and exit another locker as another legion make it feel like your fighting a actual legion of killers. I mean they have a lot of pontential when they basically say the legion is a survivor with a knife.

  • They need to rework Legion as whole, otherwise, he will always cause new problems in the future.

  • Like another thing is he/she could become a stealth killer by taking off the mask and then they have to put the mask back on to attack or something. (Would probably get destroyed by swf though). Like anyone remember the reveal trailer with david king?

  • @supersonic853 said:

    Like another thing is he/she could become a stealth killer by taking off the mask and then they have to put the mask back on to attack or something. (Would probably get destroyed by swf though). Like anyone remember the reveal trailer with david king?

    We already have a killer that does that though. Tell me if you can see the difference between these 2 pictures. Ill give you a hint...one of em is secretly a killer.

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  • 1st one definitely claudettes gotten me killed more time then any lf.

  • In all seriousness making him a normal stab killer but allowing him to disguise as a survivor and maybe hide in lockers or use lockers to change position would be interesting especially if they allow the legion to work on gens or heal survivors to keep up the disguise. "Steve heal me" sure... surprise *stabs meg*

  • Nemesis only works if the killer gets stunned/blinded and that's up to the survivor. Beast of Prey still works though but it has a buffer of 15 seconds to reach Bloodlust 1.

  • I seriously dont understand why people complicate this topic so much, just asking for reworks when the solution is right in front of their eyes.

    Just make the deep wound bar not go down within a fixed 20 meter radius instead of being terror radius based.

  • @NullSp3c said:

    I seriously dont understand why people complicate this topic so much, just asking for reworks when the solution is right in front of their eyes.

    Just make the deep wound bar not go down within a fixed 20 meter radius instead of being terror radius based.

    Hello thank you

  • @LordGlint said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855137#Comment_855137

    We already have a killer that does that though. Tell me if you can see the difference between these 2 pictures. Ill give you a hint...one of em is secretly a killer.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/394/YP5MHHFWDFVF.jpg

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/807/WV3QLFG0Y870.jpg

    I don't see the difference

  • Because legions in thin ice about to give way if the push through all the nerfs and then that theres no reason to play legion anymore? He lost sloppy stbfl dark devotion and is probably gonna lose bop and nemesis. He didnt even deserve the basic attack fix he was trash even with those perks and those were the best he could run. Some of us instead of just worrying about killing the perks want legion to have something that makes legion at least meh.

  • You have to look REALLY close. One is likely to be in a bush.

  • @LordGlint said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855137#Comment_855137

    We already have a killer that does that though. Tell me if you can see the difference between these 2 pictures. Ill give you a hint...one of em is secretly a killer.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/394/YP5MHHFWDFVF.jpg

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/807/WV3QLFG0Y870.jpg

    What?! How did you get the menu to not have a survivor or killer appear on it?!

  • @LordGlint said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855137#Comment_855137

    We already have a killer that does that though. Tell me if you can see the difference between these 2 pictures. Ill give you a hint...one of em is secretly a killer.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/394/YP5MHHFWDFVF.jpg

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/807/WV3QLFG0Y870.jpg

    You just put the same image twice, cheater ๐Ÿ˜Š

  • I kinda liked the idea of being able to use multiple looks in a game. Even being done with the use of lockers and maybe they could become a teleport device to another one every so often.

    The secondary power of changing chars allows 2 options of powers. One is 115% m1 and the other is stealth bases. This is just the base idea additional things for a slight power would need added.

    The exact powers need to be more thought out but I think initially it sounds more fun than what they are becoming and removes DW from being tied to them which has been shown many times to be too problematic.

  • The locker idea won't be enough. Imagine if Freddy only had gen teleports.

  • @twistedmonkey said:

    I kinda liked the idea of being able to use multiple looks in a game. Even being done with the use of lockers and maybe they could become a teleport device to another one every so often.

    The secondary power of changing chars allows 2 options of powers. One is 115% m1 and the other is stealth bases. This is just the base idea additional things for a slight power would need added.

    The exact powers need to be more thought out but I think initially it sounds more fun than what they are becoming and removes DW from being tied to them which has been shown many times to be too problematic.

    Exactly hes called the legion and people like michaels addons because each addon changes his style of play (at least the mirror does) they could make it so legions forms have their own style of play. After all each legion is a different person.

  • There are two fixes that I can think of right now. The first is to have the deep wound timer stop when within a certain range of Legion, not depending on whether you are in his terror radius or not.

    The other fix would be to have any effects that work on survivors only when they are in the killers terror radius work on survivors that are oblivious while they are in the terror radius of the killer, even if they can't hear the killers terror radius. I'd prefer the second, it would definitely help with the game's balance again. Legion couldn't abuse Nemesis against survivors, and other problems such as Borrowed time not working against Freddy or OoO wokring against him at any range would also finally be adressed.

  • @supersonic853 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855444#Comment_855444

    Exactly hes called the legion and people like michaels addons because each addon changes his style of play (at least the mirror does) they could make it so legions forms have their own style of play. After all each legion is a different person.

    His other addons do as well. Using tuft of hair throws stealth out the window for example with his TR becoming a permanent 32 meters. At that point, you're relying on the fast vault speeds and lunge rather than sneaking up on ppl.

  • @ad19970 said:

    There are two fixes that I can think of right now. The first is to have the deep wound timer stop when within a certain range of Legion, not depending on whether you are in his terror radius or not.

    The other fix would be to have any effects that work on survivors only when they are in the killers terror radius work on survivors that are oblivious while they are in the terror radius of the killer, even if they can't hear the killers terror radius. I'd prefer the second, it would definitely help with the game's balance again. Legion couldn't abuse Nemesis against survivors, and other problems such as Borrowed time not working against Freddy or OoO wokring against him at any range would also finally be adressed.

    The reason people dont want nemesis fixed is the bunch of nerfs he got despite being the weakest killer in dbd. And he lost access to all his synergies stbfl sloppy and dark devotion and will probably lose bop so nemesis would be the only perk holding him up as viable at all. Im tired of legion being a joke

  • @LordGlint said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855450#Comment_855450

    His other addons do as well. Using tuft of hair throws stealth out the window for example with his TR becoming a permanent 32 meters. At that point, you're relying on the fast vault speeds and lunge rather than sneaking up on ppl.

    Especially when the boy legion was showed in the cinematic to be more stealth and kill while we dont really know what the girl does i could see her running around and smacking people.

  • @UncannyLuck said:

    The locker idea won't be enough. Imagine if Freddy only had gen teleports.

    Old freddy only had sleep then they finally reworked him.

  • @supersonic853 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855456#Comment_855456

    The reason people dont want nemesis fixed is the bunch of nerfs he got despite being the weakest killer in dbd. And he lost access to all his synergies stbfl sloppy and dark devotion and will probably lose bop so nemesis would be the only perk holding him up as viable at all. Im tired of legion being a joke

    Yes I get that: I wouldlove to see some proper buffs to hiim as well. But bringing back old Legion is not the way to do it. It's nothing but awful game design, something a game developer should try and avoid.

  • @supersonic853 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855449#Comment_855449

    Old freddy only had sleep then they finally reworked him.

    Right, so why do people think that locker teleports and stealth will be enough. You'll still just get looped, no?

  • @UncannyLuck said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855478#Comment_855478

    Right, so why do people think that locker teleports and stealth will be enough. You'll still just get looped, no?

    Obviously i havent thought of other things he could have i said i got the idea from a thread posted here id have to find that thread.

  • @ad19970 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855464#Comment_855464

    Yes I get that: I wouldlove to see some proper buffs to hiim as well. But bringing back old Legion is not the way to do it. It's nothing but awful game design, something a game developer should try and avoid.

    They should also try to make all killers viable legions like dead dead after the nerfs get pushed to live with the changes to ff.

  • Why not just give him the ability to frenzy stab ability and make it like deep wounds but without the timer going down? Each stab would reduce his power gauge to prevent just one shot downing survivors, maybe not completely deplete his power though since that feels kinda scummy. So he'd have to either stab survivors multiple times until he downed them or take the fatigue and m1 survivors.

    Mending would have to be quicker though and probably could even just be like the Plague's power where survivors are instantly healthy again after they mend so it wouldn't feel so oppressive or like there's no escape.

  • @supersonic853 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855511#Comment_855511

    They should also try to make all killers viable legions like dead dead after the nerfs get pushed to live with the changes to ff.

    Well maybe the devs willlisten to the community and only apply the buffs, not the nerfs. Would be nice.

    And yes, there are other weak killers that still need a buff. I am still really disappointed that Doctor still hasn't received his buff in this patch. Yet we get these weird changes to Legion.

  • @ad19970 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855517#Comment_855517

    Well maybe the devs willlisten to the community and only apply the buffs, not the nerfs. Would be nice.

    And yes, there are other weak killers that still need a buff. I am still really disappointed that Doctor still hasn't received his buff in this patch. Yet we get these weird changes to Legion.

    I run impossible skillcheck doctor so idk what about him needs buffed lol

  • @supersonic853 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855561#Comment_855561

    I run impossible skillcheck doctor so idk what about him needs buffed lol

    Just his chase potential and maybe also map pressure. Pretty sure they want to make him more viable while also making him less frustrating to go against. So I guess that build won't be a thing anymore after his changes, but he'll be generally more viable. That's what I am hoping for.

  • Deeb wound update: Now DW timer will slow down if survivor are still running