SuperboyPrime

@Zanfer said:

@SuperboyPrime said:
What the developers have done to Killer is just ridiculous. You feel incredibly powerless unless you play Nurse or Hillbilly, and I refuse to play the same two Killers over and over just to feel like I'm doing something. Survivor is boring to play, it's simply too easy to play as Survivor. I don't want to play Survivor, I want to play Killer. I want to play Killer and be satisfied. I post this here in hopes a developer sees this, or at least get a response from one of them.

I don't want to play DBD anymore. I played Survivor for a while, but that got boring, and Killer is the only entertaining part of this game. But they have ruined it, and the community's pleas for any sort of balance IN FAVOR of the Killer has either been given a half-assed fix, or is ignored. I don't hate this game, I just hate the direction it's been going in for a while. And it doesn't seem like it's going to get any better.

Even the new DLC doesn't seem to be bringing anything that will make playing Killer more satisfying and fun. No matter how hard you try, unless you try-hard as heck and bring in top-tier perks/add-ons, you will not have fun because the Killers are so weak and playing Survivor is a cakewalk. Again, I don't hate this game, I want to see them bring changes that will actually make Killer fun. But until that day comes, if it ever does, I'm not going to keep playing this game. I will not buy anymore of the DLC. Hopefully in the future I can come back and actually enjoy playing Killer, but until that day, I'm not going to keep frustrating myself playing DBD. The game has incredible potential, but the developers need to remember that the Killer is meant to be an unstoppable force, not a laughable one.

The devs did talk about how they are going to make animations better and going through old killers and making them better. Time is the essence here.

I'm aware that the developers are talking about this issue already. I would just like to see the results of these discussions, and if they will actually benefit the Killer, soon than later. They made a big deal about the Wraith balances, but those turned out to be insignificant. I want to see actual meaningful changes, not hear about them.

in I'm done playing Comment by SuperboyPrime June 9, 2018

@Fibijean said:
You're not wrong that there are a lot of issues with the game. But why make a post like this? It just looks overdramatic and self-important. Yes, there are problems. But just make a post about them normally next time, because the truth is no one cares about one person boycotting the game, even if they write a public essay about it.

Mostly to have a discussion and possible get BHVR's input. I think it accomplished the goal of discussion, but not of getting any developer input. It doesn't matter if anyone on the forums cares about me writing on essay about me boycotting. If this forum is moderated by BHVR staff, then they will hopefully see it and maybe it can help, even slightly, influence their decisions with the game.

This is their official forums, so someone there must be looking over these threads, and I just want a word from one of them. I don't care how unlikely the odds are. Plus, your post adds nothing to the conversation. Clearly you must've cared at least a little to even bother posting that. So the thread is working in that it's garnering attention.

in I'm done playing Comment by SuperboyPrime June 8, 2018

@FSB75 said:

@SuperboyPrime said:

I don't mind getting outplayed, half the fun of this game is adapting to your opponents. But the Killer simply cannot compete with the amount of Survivor crutches. Why is it that the Survivors get so many crutches, but the Killers don't? If the Killers are in the power role, shouldn't they have more crutches? The Survivors should be the ones that constantly have to work their butts off to pick up the win, not the Killer.

I truly appreciate your taking the time to respond and in such detail.

There's so many points in your response that I wanted to respond to....but I found your closing comments to be the most striking.

Based on your overall attitude about the game, and when I say attitude, I don't mean in a sense of good or bad...perhaps....perspective is a better word; I don't think you are going to find much satisfaction.

"If the Killers are in the power role, shouldn't they have more crutches? "

I don't believe the killer were ever meant o be in a "power role". I think this is flawed logic wherein the idea of balance comes into play.

Allow me to explain. I have experienced everything you mentioned above. the window juking, the pallet looping, the perks, the chases....all of it. No, that doesn't happen to me anymore. I don't chase, and I only hook when optimal.

I completely understand your frustration. It's the start of the trial...wait for it (30 seconds), here comes one, two, or even sometimes as many as three survivors running up to me.....flashlights clicking, all tea bagging away. I completely ignore them. As of right now....the current state of the game, I have 2 play styles, and I have NO control over which one it will be from trial to trial.

I find 3 gens that are within close proximity to one another (no more than a 7 second walk), and I never stop patrolling and kicking gens (there was a time where killer couldn't kick gens). Survivors come running in...I don't chase, I don't care.

The game, I'll concede, has been reduced to me kicking gens with overcharge, and slugging players over and over again. A trial may last well over 30 minutes this way, but everyone gets a ton of points, I usually wear down the survivors to walk away with 2 kills (ranks 10 - 5....I've never broken rank 5 myself).

The point I'm trying to make is that I, as the Killer completely control the game. None of the perks matter, none of the equipment matters....because I, as the killer, choose not to bring them into play.

What good is sprint burst if your not being chased? What good are pallets if your not being looped? What good is a flashlight if the killer isn't hooking? What good is DS if the killer isn't carrying survivors?

Most survivors absolutely HATE this type of game play, but it's hard to argue with the results. I tell you, with great honesty, that 4Ks are very common (rank 8 -12) on Bunny Mom, Billy, and Doc. The range and mobility makes this type of strat pretty easy to execute.

My friend...I don't have a personal interest to see you continue to play this game. If you're not having fun, I agree with you completely....stop playing. I've changed my play style at least 4 or 5 times based on the changes made to the game. Adapt or die. I won't say that I have amazing fun with every trial....but there are those that stick out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j60Ufn2K1Y Start at the 1:40 mark

It's moments like these that keep me, personally, playing. I do think you have a problem with the game at a fundamental level, which makes enjoyment difficult. I see it, I understand it. The killer will NEVER be in a power role....it's simply contrary to the essence of balance.

Despite our two perspectives on the matter, I'm glad we can have civil discourse instead of just flaming each other.

I still stand by the idea that the Killer has the power role. In this asymmetrical game where the Killer is working on his own against four other players of varying skill levels, I feel it's necessary for the Killer to have a clear advantage. I'm not saying the Killer should be able to win any and all situations, I just want the game to be in a position where I'm not forced to choose between one or two play-styles if I even want a chance to get a 4K. Ultimately, the Killer should be able to pick a play-style, and if it plays the entire trial well and doesn't make any mistakes, the Killer should come out on top.

I love the thrill of chasing the Survivor, but chasing simply isn't viable against a Survivor who knows the map well, has the best perks, and knows how to loop (unless you play the top-tier Killers). But as the game stands, I feel like I get punished for daring to chase said Survivor. I chase too long, I lose. I drop the chase, the Survivor gets away and I still lose. It does not matter how skilled you are as a Killer in the current state of the game. What does matter whether or not you pick a top-tier Killer and how green the Survivors you're pit against are.

I'm a competitive player and I want to have fun, but as it stands, the game is clearly balanced towards Survivors. The only way to have fun/win is to play the meta, or play one or two play-styles which just aren't enjoyable. Which is fine, every multiplayer game has some sort of meta, but this is also the case at low-ranks where Survivors/Killers where purposely de-rank to mess with either side.

I do have moments where I have clutch moments, but those are few and far. My preferred Killers are Leatherface and Freddy, so I get punished simply because I choose to play those two. As I've already said, I will not be playing or buying future DLC for this game until it makes changes that actually help EVERY Killer, not just a few of them. It's not fun to me anymore. I simply don't believe that this game should be balanced for both sides, especially when the Survivors have the advantage of numbers, which is not an option to Killers. It needs to be balanced towards the Killer, not to make it unstoppable, but so that every Killer is a threat that has a variety of tackling the Survivors, not just one or two.

in I'm done playing Comment by SuperboyPrime June 8, 2018

@FSB75 said:

@SuperboyPrime said:
What the developers have done to Killer is just ridiculous. You feel incredibly powerless unless you play Nurse or Hillbilly, and I refuse to play the same two Killers over and over just to feel like I'm doing something. Survivor is boring to play, it's simply too easy to play as Survivor. I don't want to play Survivor, I want to play Killer. I want to play Killer and be satisfied. I post this here in hopes a developer sees this, or at least get a response from one of them.

I don't want to play DBD anymore. I played Survivor for a while, but that got boring, and Killer is the only entertaining part of this game. But they have ruined it, and the community's pleas for any sort of balance IN FAVOR of the Killer has either been given a half-assed fix, or is ignored. I don't hate this game, I just hate the direction it's been going in for a while. And it doesn't seem like it's going to get any better.

Even the new DLC doesn't seem to be bringing anything that will make playing Killer more satisfying and fun. No matter how hard you try, unless you try-hard as heck and bring in top-tier perks/add-ons, you will not have fun because the Killers are so weak and playing Survivor is a cakewalk. Again, I don't hate this game, I want to see them bring changes that will actually make Killer fun. But until that day comes, if it ever does, I'm not going to keep playing this game. I will not buy anymore of the DLC. Hopefully in the future I can come back and actually enjoy playing Killer, but until that day, I'm not going to keep frustrating myself playing DBD. The game has incredible potential, but the developers need to remember that the Killer is meant to be an unstoppable force, not a laughable one.

In a word, "No".

Killers are in the best place they have been in since the game started. Sounds to me like you weren't around before they made changes to window juking. That wasn't a chase. That wasn't even a chance. Trapper had the best chance, then the nurse came out, and finally windows were blocked for "abuse".

Now there is so much killer diversity it's crazy. From ax tossing Bunny Mom (a ranged attack), to dream boi...you can't even see where this guy is coming from....to an ambushing 0 terror radius chick with a switch blade arm.

"the Killer is meant to be an unstoppable force, not a laughable one."

The only time I feel this way, is when survivors willfully run right up to e, body blocking an attempt to hook a fellow survivor. At that point, yeah, I might agree....I give that a bit of an eye screw, like, "Really? This is what you would do to a killer carrying your friend to a hook"?

No matter how hard you try, unless you try-hard as heck and bring in top-tier perks/add-ons, you will not have fun because the Killers are so weak and playing Survivor is a cakewalk.

What are you talking about? Is there a reason you want to use Iron Grip I over Iron Grip III? And what's this about trying hard? I mean, you can not try as hard....but considering most survivors do try hard, the amount of effort isn't going to be even, and the survivors should win, every time.

Last thing I'll say is this...most killers DO comeback in the movies, via a sequel. But they are NOT unstoppable. Hell, in most every movie, after a big body count, the killer loses the battle just to keep fighting the war.

Freddie, Jason, and Michael have all been beaten, eventually in every movie. There are some exceptions...I mean, perhaps they got away for the moment, but they have all been beaten.

You're right, I wasn't around before they made those changes. But just because those problems were bad and eventually fixed doesn't make the current problems with playing Killers any less worse. If I choose to play Trapper instead of Nurse or Hillbilly, my chances of winning go down significantly. Same thing with Freddy, Wraith, Leatherface, Hag, and so on. It's cool that there's diversity, but only three Killers are viable against Survivors that know what they're doing. Huntress, Hillbilly, and Nurse can effectively combat pallet looping, the rest of the Killers cannot unless the Survivors make a huge mistake. I'm not saying it's impossible for a Killer that isn't top-tier to pull off consistent 4Ks against good survivors. What I'm saying is that it's significantly more difficult to pull-off these victories then if I were to just play Hillbilly. And that's what irritates me, the Killer is supposed to be the one that controls the game, but only a few of the Killers can do so effectively and consistently. And even if you do choose these top-tier Killers, highly-skilled Survivors can still make you look like a complete joke.

Why would I play Hag or Freddy over Huntress? I may enjoy playing them, but I know for a fact if I get decent Survivors in my lobby, I'm not going to have a good time. No Killer should feel powerless against Survivors. I don't even tunnel or camp, but I can't even complete a chase with a Killer like Freddy before multiple generators have been completed. If I continue to chase, then I will lose. If I don't continue the chase, then the Survivor will get away and heal, and I'll still lose.

Yes, most Killers are laughable in their current condition. Are you telling me you've never been pallet-looped/t-bagged by Survivors as they Sprint Burst away or drop a pallet on you? A decent Survivor isn't afraid of the Killer unless they're playing the top tier Killers. Not only do they manage to keep a chase going for minutes on end because of pallet looping and perks like DS or SB, but they add insult to injury by doing things like t-bagging or emoting at you. They aren't afraid of the Killer because they know that the Killer is weak and will have to tunnel in order to even have a chance of getting at them. So yes, Killers are laughable.

I understand that these Killers can and have been beaten in the movies. But in this game, they are in the position of power. And lately, the position of power has been given to the Survivors. If I get outplayed as Killer, that's fine, I got outplayed, that's fair. But in my many matches as Killer, even as the Hillbilly main I am, there are many Survivors that are just impossible for me to catch up to. Either their SB or Lithe goes off, they're looping, or are being stealthy and there's simply nothing I can do about it. It's either waste time trying to find the crouching Survivor, spend time trying to mind-game a Survivor on a pallet loop, chase them until I eventually get Blood Lust, or I have to drop the chase to focus on gens.

There's a lot of time management as Killer and you have to learn how to effectively manage this time. But there are some instances where it is just impossible to do so. Do I continue to chase this Survivor for a minute or two, or do I hit him, drop the chase, and go back to patrolling gens? I don't mind this time-management as Killer at all, it separates the good Killers from the bad. But you can't deny that even if you play the entire match perfectly, you're pressuring gens, you're hooking, you can work your ass off in the match and still lose because the Survivors simply don't have as much to manage as you. If you're chasing one of them, then the rest will just do generators, and you're forced to make the choice to either continue the chase and end it ASAP, which could take minutes, or drop the chase to pressure generators, and allowing that Survivor to run off and heal. In addition, Survivors have so many powerful perks that help keep them alive, it's simply absurd. Now Killers have great perks too, but you're being pit against four Survivors that are highly likely to all be running meta perks. Ruin is a powerful perk, but it can be destroyed and your down a perk. Survivors have similar perks like Unbreakable and Decisive Strike, but those are so great at delaying their death that perks like Ruin are incredibly inferior. Not only that, but they have a choice on when to use those perks. They could play horribly the entire match, but still manage to escape because they DS'd you as you picked them up from the exit area. Survivors have too many safety nets to make up for any mistake they might make, Killers don't.

I don't mind getting outplayed, half the fun of this game is adapting to your opponents. But the Killer simply cannot compete with the amount of Survivor crutches. Why is it that the Survivors get so many crutches, but the Killers don't? If the Killers are in the power role, shouldn't they have more crutches? The Survivors should be the ones that constantly have to work their butts off to pick up the win, not the Killer.

in I'm done playing Comment by SuperboyPrime June 7, 2018

@Runiver said:
Devs are aware.
We had this discussion today again on Discord.

They are starting to work actively since this patch to make the killer experience better in general.
They told me to trust and wait, and tbh, there's nothing we can do to either : wait and trust, or leave and go (play civilization).

I'm glad that they're aware of this problem. If they can make a good change for Killers sooner rather than later, I'm all for it. I'll wait and see.

in I'm done playing Comment by SuperboyPrime June 6, 2018

@jobasco said:
It's official... I have gone too deep into this newly created forum. Time to go watch cat videos.

This is only the beginning.