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I really hate how you lose items as well when prestiging. I'm not a fan of losing stuff anyway. I think it is a bad concept - especially things like items.
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@DocOctober said:
The old one gave her personality and sounded very good. All they had to do was tune down the volume a bit of her scream.The new one is boring and turns me off from playing her. It's the voices that give them their personality and make the Survivors unique, not just the looks.
Totally agreed.
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+1
I loved the old voices more. Please revert the new Kate's voice to the old one's.
The new ones are dull an uninspiring. The old ones rocked!
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@Master said:
Everybody knows its atrcious, they are working on a bette roneThey shouldn't have removed the Report Form then, which actually worked. I've seen people banned whom I have reported.
This is completely ridiculous.
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@weirdkid5 said:
@Satsui You'll never know unless you try right? I've been fighting since first month to get SWF balanced and still nothing yet and I still don't expect it to change. JUST DO IT SONI know it'd be a waste of my time. I really don't see them changing their policies in such specific cases. I'm fine with venting my frustration now and then regarding the way they are handling cheaters currently. I guess I wouldn't be so upfront with it if they didn't shut down the only comfortable method to report players.
@powerbats said:
@Satsui REgardless of whether you're a lawyer or not i agree the frum is for discussion but that wasn't the issue, it was how you went about it that got you flack. There's also an actual place to get hackers banned since the in game feature is currently down. Well actually there's 2 of them and 4 of if you really want to be technically correct. The last 2 are the hardest to use to report unless you're using one of the 2 platforms PS4 and Xbox to play.For the devs it's the following email address.
For Steam it's https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1010-TOKN-8461
Although for Steam since the game isn't VAC protected due to p2p I believe but by the devs EAC system it's probably harder to catch. But they do track it nonetheless and if enough reports come through they'll investigate. Since if someone does it on 1 online game they're probably doing it on a lot of others.
It took me 3 years to catch a suspected Cal league CS player, I knee he was hacking and so did most everyone else, but the video evidence was never good enough until o0ne day I afk'd in the game for 4 hours and he finally slipped up and started toggling. But having said that around 90% or so of reported hackers/cheaters in CS at the time were actually just really good players or the reporter wasn't very good etc.
Also some people who you'd think were hacking were actually lagging out horribly which is why most communities have a ping limit now to prevent that. Both for the natural high ping and those trying to fake the system out by flucatin their ping to hide the hack.
Lastly as a lawyer you're well aware of the justice system and how it's setup to protect the innocent even at the cost that the guilty might get away. Do the hackers deserve to get an instant perma ban hell yes. Do a lot get away scot free yes. But as long as the rules protect at least 1 innocent or in this case many then they're worth it.
I've been around long enough to see countless false accusations hurled with screenshots etc edited to make it look bad and even a few edited videos. As far as the devs go, they might not have as easy of a time cross checking each and every report considering the comments about the code I've seen on here.
Which is probably part of the reason they want to rewrite it from scratch. IF they ever get it to be non p2p and or have hosted servers that're VAC protected it'll improve a lot.
The mods and devs have previously stated that the only way to currently report players in a way that will be monitored and have any effect is the in game report tools. Therefore I think that emailing [email protected] is a waste of time.
I personally tried to open a ticket with BHVR reporting a hacker, but they replied that the only way to report hackers is via the in game report system. shrugs
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@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
TBH this is bullcrap.
The amount of effort it takes to "fake" a video like this, and the odds someone will get "witch hunted" are ludicrously slim to non existent.
It's like saying I won't be flying because I'm afraid of plane crashes.
Meanwhile cheaters and griefers get to do what the hell they want. This is stupid.
This is not naming and shaming. This is naming and justice.
Wrong and it's actually not that hard if you want to to grief someone with it. If you're really desperate to grief you can pay someone to fake edit a video or screenshot. Your so called naming and justice is reminiscent of the frontier justice. Oh that person stole my horse and here's my made up proof. Now go hang them from the nearest tree.
So what are you defending really?
Because, a report can be "faked" too, but obviously the devs/mods can easily cross check the game info and see if that player really griefed or his name was edited.So really you are defending that 1 out of 10,000 cases where someone would "shame" someone else by posting an edited video of his name with another someone who hacked / griefed.
And then what? Who the hell cares? I wouldn't really care that much if someone did that to me for the sake of shaming real hackers and griefers on 99.9%. I will just report the person who posted the fake video, the mods/devs can cross-reference the details in the video, and then ban him altogether.
Really, your stance and over-zealous protection of griefers and hackers is just unreasonable.
And who the [BAD WORD] would pay to momentarily post a fake video to "shame" someone else on a video game? lol.
Hackers needs to be known. Your ######### actions and destroyal of gameplay should have consequences and not be protected with some far-fetched slim-to-none chances for a "witch hunt" or a "fake video".
That's why in real life all court sessions are public, and so are criminal records!
These Hacker & Griefer protection policies are absurd.
I'd be fine if it wasn't allowed to make evidence-less claims, but posting a video of someone cheating and getting banned for it? It's just retardingly absurd.
Wrong on so many occasions and where do you get your numbers on how often it happens, do you have inside non public information? Because if you don't that's the equivalent of pulling numbers out of your rear end and stating them as facts. Which leads us to this nice quote.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.
Also all real life court session aren't open to the public, some are closed to the public to protect you guessed it victims as well as the accused when there's a reasonable need for it. My stance isn't unreasonable at all, what's unreasonable is you wanting to break the rules you agreed to. You know the ones called TOS/EULA that you agreed to abide by which clearly state that NAMING AND SHAMING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.
As @weirdkid5 said the devs put those rules into place so either follow them or don't and see what happens. They put those rules to protect that perhaps 1 in 10,000 person from turning around and suing them for the false accusation etc.
Lastly most states have laws called libel laws while not widely used in the online community have been sued and to great success against those making said accusation. The same is true all over the world which is why most companies also require when you click accept that you agree to BINDING ARBITRATION when a dispute arises.
You don't have to like it or even agree with it, but by clicking accept you have to follow it. No ifs, ands or buts since those are the rules you agreed to follow. Steam and every gaming community out there CS, League of Legends, etc all follow the same rules.
Yes and much like weirdkid, your argument is resorting to making up things I never said. Well done!
Where did I exactly say I am going to break any rules? I am stating my opinion about the ridiculousness of the matter.
BTW - about libel laws - you ARE AWARE there is a DEFENSE called "speaking the truth", right? Or are you just spouting nonsense out of your rear end without any real knowledge of it?
That means, that if you called someone a cheater PUBLICLY, and you have spoken the truth, you CANNOT be sued for it.THAT IS RIGHT SON!
Source: I am a lawyer.
Nice try, though, but please, try not to make up stuff without the littlest knowledge in it.
And again, if someone is actually "naming and shaming" without proof or just for the heck of it, or just posting fake videos which is highly unlikely and rare - they can be dealt with and banned. It's NOT that hard for developers and mods cross reference a game and the participating players.
That was so pathetic I can't believe you actually tried the I'm a Lawyer bs line since if you were in fact a lawyer you'd know your're excuses and posting are full of hot air and wouldn't hold a candle in a courtroom. You can try and use all the Ad Hominem, Red Herrings and Straw Mans you want. It doesn't change a thing the rules that're there and you accepted.
I used to do forum discussion with a lawyer who dealt with civil stuff and people like you would come onto the forum claiming they were lawyers then get promptly exposed as lying. If you were in fact a lawyer you wouldn't use "THAT IS RIGHT SON! Source: I am a lawyer.
There's no lawyer out there that will ever do that, especially not on a internet forum over a video game. Also if you were in fact a lawyer you'd know speaking the truth as you put it doesn't make you immune to libel laws. Try taking your own advice and actually learning the law especially since this isn't in public but is a private gaming companies forum.
In other words you can't use the speaking the truth defense here, nor can you claim 1st Amendment since I can see that's where you're gonna go next..
I am in fact a IRL lawyer. Just because I am a gamer and talk like one as well doesn't exclude me from being a lawyer, lol. Your perception is kind of immature and naive, I guess.
I totally get your doubt, though. But why would I lie about it? Lol. Yeah, I understand that making a claim like that on the forums doesn't hold much value. I don't really care, though. You are welcome to stay in your denial.
However, if you doubt the truthfulness of what i wrote law-wise you are welcome to go do your own research about it and see what I wrote is accurate.
SON!
@weirdkid5 said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@powerbats Thanks for taking the time to spell it out for him. We disagreed in another thread but I'm with you on this one.> @Satsui said:@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
TBH this is bullcrap.
The amount of effort it takes to "fake" a video like this, and the odds someone will get "witch hunted" are ludicrously slim to non existent.
It's like saying I won't be flying because I'm afraid of plane crashes.
Meanwhile cheaters and griefers get to do what the hell they want. This is stupid.
This is not naming and shaming. This is naming and justice.
Wrong and it's actually not that hard if you want to to grief someone with it. If you're really desperate to grief you can pay someone to fake edit a video or screenshot. Your so called naming and justice is reminiscent of the frontier justice. Oh that person stole my horse and here's my made up proof. Now go hang them from the nearest tree.
So what are you defending really?
Because, a report can be "faked" too, but obviously the devs/mods can easily cross check the game info and see if that player really griefed or his name was edited.So really you are defending that 1 out of 10,000 cases where someone would "shame" someone else by posting an edited video of his name with another someone who hacked / griefed.
And then what? Who the hell cares? I wouldn't really care that much if someone did that to me for the sake of shaming real hackers and griefers on 99.9%. I will just report the person who posted the fake video, the mods/devs can cross-reference the details in the video, and then ban him altogether.
Really, your stance and over-zealous protection of griefers and hackers is just unreasonable.
And who the [BAD WORD] would pay to momentarily post a fake video to "shame" someone else on a video game? lol.
Hackers needs to be known. Your ######### actions and destroyal of gameplay should have consequences and not be protected with some far-fetched slim-to-none chances for a "witch hunt" or a "fake video".
That's why in real life all court sessions are public, and so are criminal records!
These Hacker & Griefer protection policies are absurd.
I'd be fine if it wasn't allowed to make evidence-less claims, but posting a video of someone cheating and getting banned for it? It's just retardingly absurd.
Wrong on so many occasions and where do you get your numbers on how often it happens, do you have inside non public information? Because if you don't that's the equivalent of pulling numbers out of your rear end and stating them as facts. Which leads us to this nice quote.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.
Also all real life court session aren't open to the public, some are closed to the public to protect you guessed it victims as well as the accused when there's a reasonable need for it. My stance isn't unreasonable at all, what's unreasonable is you wanting to break the rules you agreed to. You know the ones called TOS/EULA that you agreed to abide by which clearly state that NAMING AND SHAMING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.
As @weirdkid5 said the devs put those rules into place so either follow them or don't and see what happens. They put those rules to protect that perhaps 1 in 10,000 person from turning around and suing them for the false accusation etc.
Lastly most states have laws called libel laws while not widely used in the online community have been sued and to great success against those making said accusation. The same is true all over the world which is why most companies also require when you click accept that you agree to BINDING ARBITRATION when a dispute arises.
You don't have to like it or even agree with it, but by clicking accept you have to follow it. No ifs, ands or buts since those are the rules you agreed to follow. Steam and every gaming community out there CS, League of Legends, etc all follow the same rules.
Yes and much like weirdkid, your argument is resorting to making up things I never said. Well done!
Where did I exactly say I am going to break any rules? I am stating my opinion about the ridiculousness of the matter.
BTW - about libel laws - you ARE AWARE there is a DEFENSE called "speaking the truth", right? Or are you just spouting nonsense out of your rear end without any real knowledge of it?
That means, that if you called someone a cheater PUBLICLY, and you have spoken the truth, you CANNOT be sued for it.THAT IS RIGHT SON!
Source: I am a lawyer.
Nice try, though, but please, try not to make up stuff without the littlest knowledge in it.
And again, if someone is actually "naming and shaming" without proof or just for the heck of it, or just posting fake videos which is highly unlikely and rare - they can be dealt with and banned. It's NOT that hard for developers and mods cross reference a game and the participating players.
If you don't think people have been falsely banned before, then that's just hilarious. "Not that hard." So I assume you've dealt with this before as well Mr. Lawyer? A lawyer would understand this kind of thing easily. Man classic internet. "I JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HURDUR"
The fact you think it's ridiculous is ridiculous.
Again, you are making up things I never said. Good job again mate. You can't deal with my argument so you are making up stuff? Lols.
Where did I write I think people have not been falsely banned before?
I mean, could you be any further from the point of discussion?And yes, cross referencing a player activity is NOT THAT HARD. So if someone posts an evidence video of someone hacking, it is indeed NOT THAT HARD to cross reference the game's details. If you fail to accept that I can't do anything further.
Now I'm not talking about the literal "naming and shaming", which is basically calling out someone without real evidence. I am talking about posting a video of someone hacking, and getting banned for it (naming and shaming) merely because you can see their NAME in the VIDEO, without even mentioning them in your post. That is just wrong.
You are stirring the pot for 0 reason. You don't have to say "well I didnt say people weren't falsely banned." It doesnt matter. If you know that, then you should understand why name and shame rules are in place. There is no further reason to continue this pointless debate that will change 0 things about the rules.
Ah so you just have expertise that some people just dont have. I guess you'll easily get hired by any dream job you could desire.
What a joke. At the end of the day, naming and shaming is still pointless. You posting a video isn't going to get them banned faster because there is a process. There is a reason they are revamping the report and evidence feature, that you fill a form out for and send to them privately upon which the mods review the evidence and cross reference as you said, just not in a public place.
Take it or leave it. Nothing further to be said about this dead horse. Also as a lawyer you should know INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, a other reason anti name and shame exists. The jury are the mods. Deal with it.
Not true, really.
So by your approach, if there are rules in place, it is futile to discuss them and point out how ridiculous some of their aspects are?
Isn't it entirely counter productive to the purpose of Forums? LOL!
You know, to discuss things, bring upon changes, and so forth?
Or are we supposed to stay silent and accept everything as it is? haha.They used to have a report form online, in which you could post details, ID64 of the killer, and a link to a video you uploaded. It worked. I had gotten speedhackers banned by using it and monitoring their profile.
They REMOVED IT. Without presenting any real, practical alternative.
Hacker Protection Policies: 1. Griefed Players: 0.
What is left? the inconvenient in-game report form which rapes you to stay in game until you finish uploading your 4 minute high quality 1 gigabyte video to youtube (it has to be good quality so you can see their name link to the profile - so at least 1080p. Otherwise - unidentifiable).
THAT IS, ridiculous.
And to top that off, if a griefed player posts evidence on the forums, they get banned for it, even without actually practicing any naming and shaming de-facto.
Hacker Protection Policies: 2. Griefed players: 0.
Pretty good job so far, guys!
Keep supporting ridiculousness, though.
This is as ridiculous as if someone broke into your house, and you caught him live and clear on camera, including his clear face and his ID. But then you are DISALLOWED to publicize the video of his CRIME, because don't name and shame the poor criminal!
You can post it wherever you want, no one is stopping you. I would probably comment on a "hacker exposed" video myself. But the forum isn't the place for that and I stand by the reasoning for it. If you think it should be changed, feel free to do what you said, and go to forum feedback and create your own thread and try to get it changed. Personally I think it's pointless because it's been attempted before. But you go for it my guy. Believe in the heart of the cards.
Don't get me wrong. I'm NOT deluded to think that this might change.
However, there is nothing wrong in pointing out their harsh, stupid and unjust Hacker Protection Policies and venting the frustration over it - that is what the forums are here for. i.e.: when someone is getting penalized for merely posting a video of a hacker cheating (without even mentioning the hacker's name in the post, but because you can see the name in the video).
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@weirdkid5 said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@powerbats Thanks for taking the time to spell it out for him. We disagreed in another thread but I'm with you on this one.> @Satsui said:@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
TBH this is bullcrap.
The amount of effort it takes to "fake" a video like this, and the odds someone will get "witch hunted" are ludicrously slim to non existent.
It's like saying I won't be flying because I'm afraid of plane crashes.
Meanwhile cheaters and griefers get to do what the hell they want. This is stupid.
This is not naming and shaming. This is naming and justice.
Wrong and it's actually not that hard if you want to to grief someone with it. If you're really desperate to grief you can pay someone to fake edit a video or screenshot. Your so called naming and justice is reminiscent of the frontier justice. Oh that person stole my horse and here's my made up proof. Now go hang them from the nearest tree.
So what are you defending really?
Because, a report can be "faked" too, but obviously the devs/mods can easily cross check the game info and see if that player really griefed or his name was edited.So really you are defending that 1 out of 10,000 cases where someone would "shame" someone else by posting an edited video of his name with another someone who hacked / griefed.
And then what? Who the hell cares? I wouldn't really care that much if someone did that to me for the sake of shaming real hackers and griefers on 99.9%. I will just report the person who posted the fake video, the mods/devs can cross-reference the details in the video, and then ban him altogether.
Really, your stance and over-zealous protection of griefers and hackers is just unreasonable.
And who the [BAD WORD] would pay to momentarily post a fake video to "shame" someone else on a video game? lol.
Hackers needs to be known. Your ######### actions and destroyal of gameplay should have consequences and not be protected with some far-fetched slim-to-none chances for a "witch hunt" or a "fake video".
That's why in real life all court sessions are public, and so are criminal records!
These Hacker & Griefer protection policies are absurd.
I'd be fine if it wasn't allowed to make evidence-less claims, but posting a video of someone cheating and getting banned for it? It's just retardingly absurd.
Wrong on so many occasions and where do you get your numbers on how often it happens, do you have inside non public information? Because if you don't that's the equivalent of pulling numbers out of your rear end and stating them as facts. Which leads us to this nice quote.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.
Also all real life court session aren't open to the public, some are closed to the public to protect you guessed it victims as well as the accused when there's a reasonable need for it. My stance isn't unreasonable at all, what's unreasonable is you wanting to break the rules you agreed to. You know the ones called TOS/EULA that you agreed to abide by which clearly state that NAMING AND SHAMING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.
As @weirdkid5 said the devs put those rules into place so either follow them or don't and see what happens. They put those rules to protect that perhaps 1 in 10,000 person from turning around and suing them for the false accusation etc.
Lastly most states have laws called libel laws while not widely used in the online community have been sued and to great success against those making said accusation. The same is true all over the world which is why most companies also require when you click accept that you agree to BINDING ARBITRATION when a dispute arises.
You don't have to like it or even agree with it, but by clicking accept you have to follow it. No ifs, ands or buts since those are the rules you agreed to follow. Steam and every gaming community out there CS, League of Legends, etc all follow the same rules.
Yes and much like weirdkid, your argument is resorting to making up things I never said. Well done!
Where did I exactly say I am going to break any rules? I am stating my opinion about the ridiculousness of the matter.
BTW - about libel laws - you ARE AWARE there is a DEFENSE called "speaking the truth", right? Or are you just spouting nonsense out of your rear end without any real knowledge of it?
That means, that if you called someone a cheater PUBLICLY, and you have spoken the truth, you CANNOT be sued for it.THAT IS RIGHT SON!
Source: I am a lawyer.
Nice try, though, but please, try not to make up stuff without the littlest knowledge in it.
And again, if someone is actually "naming and shaming" without proof or just for the heck of it, or just posting fake videos which is highly unlikely and rare - they can be dealt with and banned. It's NOT that hard for developers and mods cross reference a game and the participating players.
If you don't think people have been falsely banned before, then that's just hilarious. "Not that hard." So I assume you've dealt with this before as well Mr. Lawyer? A lawyer would understand this kind of thing easily. Man classic internet. "I JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HURDUR"
The fact you think it's ridiculous is ridiculous.
Again, you are making up things I never said. Good job again mate. You can't deal with my argument so you are making up stuff? Lols.
Where did I write I think people have not been falsely banned before?
I mean, could you be any further from the point of discussion?And yes, cross referencing a player activity is NOT THAT HARD. So if someone posts an evidence video of someone hacking, it is indeed NOT THAT HARD to cross reference the game's details. If you fail to accept that I can't do anything further.
Now I'm not talking about the literal "naming and shaming", which is basically calling out someone without real evidence. I am talking about posting a video of someone hacking, and getting banned for it (naming and shaming) merely because you can see their NAME in the VIDEO, without even mentioning them in your post. That is just wrong.
You are stirring the pot for 0 reason. You don't have to say "well I didnt say people weren't falsely banned." It doesnt matter. If you know that, then you should understand why name and shame rules are in place. There is no further reason to continue this pointless debate that will change 0 things about the rules.
Ah so you just have expertise that some people just dont have. I guess you'll easily get hired by any dream job you could desire.
What a joke. At the end of the day, naming and shaming is still pointless. You posting a video isn't going to get them banned faster because there is a process. There is a reason they are revamping the report and evidence feature, that you fill a form out for and send to them privately upon which the mods review the evidence and cross reference as you said, just not in a public place.
Take it or leave it. Nothing further to be said about this dead horse. Also as a lawyer you should know INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, a other reason anti name and shame exists. The jury are the mods. Deal with it.
Not true, really.
So by your approach, if there are rules in place, it is futile to discuss them and point out how ridiculous some of their aspects are?
Isn't it entirely counter productive to the purpose of Forums? LOL!
You know, to discuss things, bring upon changes, and so forth?
Or are we supposed to stay silent and accept everything as it is? haha.They used to have a report form online, in which you could post details, ID64 of the killer, and a link to a video you uploaded. It worked. I had gotten speedhackers banned by using it and monitoring their profile.
They REMOVED IT. Without presenting any real, practical alternative.
Hacker Protection Policies: 1. Griefed Players: 0.
What is left? the inconvenient in-game report form which rapes you to stay in game until you finish uploading your 4 minute high quality 1 gigabyte video to youtube (it has to be good quality so you can see their name link to the profile - so at least 1080p. Otherwise - unidentifiable).
THAT IS, ridiculous.
And to top that off, if a griefed player posts evidence on the forums, they get banned for it, even without actually practicing any naming and shaming de-facto.
Hacker Protection Policies: 2. Griefed players: 0.
Pretty good job so far, guys!
Keep supporting ridiculousness, though.
This is as ridiculous as if someone broke into your house, and you caught him live and clear on camera, including his clear face and his ID. But then you are DISALLOWED to publicize the video of his CRIME, because don't name and shame the poor criminal!
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@weirdkid5 said:
@powerbats Thanks for taking the time to spell it out for him. We disagreed in another thread but I'm with you on this one.> @Satsui said:@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
TBH this is bullcrap.
The amount of effort it takes to "fake" a video like this, and the odds someone will get "witch hunted" are ludicrously slim to non existent.
It's like saying I won't be flying because I'm afraid of plane crashes.
Meanwhile cheaters and griefers get to do what the hell they want. This is stupid.
This is not naming and shaming. This is naming and justice.
Wrong and it's actually not that hard if you want to to grief someone with it. If you're really desperate to grief you can pay someone to fake edit a video or screenshot. Your so called naming and justice is reminiscent of the frontier justice. Oh that person stole my horse and here's my made up proof. Now go hang them from the nearest tree.
So what are you defending really?
Because, a report can be "faked" too, but obviously the devs/mods can easily cross check the game info and see if that player really griefed or his name was edited.So really you are defending that 1 out of 10,000 cases where someone would "shame" someone else by posting an edited video of his name with another someone who hacked / griefed.
And then what? Who the hell cares? I wouldn't really care that much if someone did that to me for the sake of shaming real hackers and griefers on 99.9%. I will just report the person who posted the fake video, the mods/devs can cross-reference the details in the video, and then ban him altogether.
Really, your stance and over-zealous protection of griefers and hackers is just unreasonable.
And who the [BAD WORD] would pay to momentarily post a fake video to "shame" someone else on a video game? lol.
Hackers needs to be known. Your ######### actions and destroyal of gameplay should have consequences and not be protected with some far-fetched slim-to-none chances for a "witch hunt" or a "fake video".
That's why in real life all court sessions are public, and so are criminal records!
These Hacker & Griefer protection policies are absurd.
I'd be fine if it wasn't allowed to make evidence-less claims, but posting a video of someone cheating and getting banned for it? It's just retardingly absurd.
Wrong on so many occasions and where do you get your numbers on how often it happens, do you have inside non public information? Because if you don't that's the equivalent of pulling numbers out of your rear end and stating them as facts. Which leads us to this nice quote.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.
Also all real life court session aren't open to the public, some are closed to the public to protect you guessed it victims as well as the accused when there's a reasonable need for it. My stance isn't unreasonable at all, what's unreasonable is you wanting to break the rules you agreed to. You know the ones called TOS/EULA that you agreed to abide by which clearly state that NAMING AND SHAMING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.
As @weirdkid5 said the devs put those rules into place so either follow them or don't and see what happens. They put those rules to protect that perhaps 1 in 10,000 person from turning around and suing them for the false accusation etc.
Lastly most states have laws called libel laws while not widely used in the online community have been sued and to great success against those making said accusation. The same is true all over the world which is why most companies also require when you click accept that you agree to BINDING ARBITRATION when a dispute arises.
You don't have to like it or even agree with it, but by clicking accept you have to follow it. No ifs, ands or buts since those are the rules you agreed to follow. Steam and every gaming community out there CS, League of Legends, etc all follow the same rules.
Yes and much like weirdkid, your argument is resorting to making up things I never said. Well done!
Where did I exactly say I am going to break any rules? I am stating my opinion about the ridiculousness of the matter.
BTW - about libel laws - you ARE AWARE there is a DEFENSE called "speaking the truth", right? Or are you just spouting nonsense out of your rear end without any real knowledge of it?
That means, that if you called someone a cheater PUBLICLY, and you have spoken the truth, you CANNOT be sued for it.THAT IS RIGHT SON!
Source: I am a lawyer.
Nice try, though, but please, try not to make up stuff without the littlest knowledge in it.
And again, if someone is actually "naming and shaming" without proof or just for the heck of it, or just posting fake videos which is highly unlikely and rare - they can be dealt with and banned. It's NOT that hard for developers and mods cross reference a game and the participating players.
If you don't think people have been falsely banned before, then that's just hilarious. "Not that hard." So I assume you've dealt with this before as well Mr. Lawyer? A lawyer would understand this kind of thing easily. Man classic internet. "I JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HURDUR"
The fact you think it's ridiculous is ridiculous.
Again, you are making up things I never said. Good job again mate. You can't deal with my argument so you are making up stuff? Lols.
Where did I write I think people have not been falsely banned before?
I mean, could you be any further from the point of discussion?And yes, cross referencing a player activity is NOT THAT HARD. So if someone posts an evidence video of someone hacking, it is indeed NOT THAT HARD to cross reference the game's details. If you fail to accept that I can't do anything further.
Now I'm not talking about the literal "naming and shaming", which is basically calling out someone without real evidence. I am talking about posting a video of someone hacking, and getting banned for it (naming and shaming) merely because you can see their NAME in the VIDEO, without even mentioning them in your post. That is just wrong.
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@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
TBH this is bullcrap.
The amount of effort it takes to "fake" a video like this, and the odds someone will get "witch hunted" are ludicrously slim to non existent.
It's like saying I won't be flying because I'm afraid of plane crashes.
Meanwhile cheaters and griefers get to do what the hell they want. This is stupid.
This is not naming and shaming. This is naming and justice.
Wrong and it's actually not that hard if you want to to grief someone with it. If you're really desperate to grief you can pay someone to fake edit a video or screenshot. Your so called naming and justice is reminiscent of the frontier justice. Oh that person stole my horse and here's my made up proof. Now go hang them from the nearest tree.
So what are you defending really?
Because, a report can be "faked" too, but obviously the devs/mods can easily cross check the game info and see if that player really griefed or his name was edited.So really you are defending that 1 out of 10,000 cases where someone would "shame" someone else by posting an edited video of his name with another someone who hacked / griefed.
And then what? Who the hell cares? I wouldn't really care that much if someone did that to me for the sake of shaming real hackers and griefers on 99.9%. I will just report the person who posted the fake video, the mods/devs can cross-reference the details in the video, and then ban him altogether.
Really, your stance and over-zealous protection of griefers and hackers is just unreasonable.
And who the [BAD WORD] would pay to momentarily post a fake video to "shame" someone else on a video game? lol.
Hackers needs to be known. Your ######### actions and destroyal of gameplay should have consequences and not be protected with some far-fetched slim-to-none chances for a "witch hunt" or a "fake video".
That's why in real life all court sessions are public, and so are criminal records!
These Hacker & Griefer protection policies are absurd.
I'd be fine if it wasn't allowed to make evidence-less claims, but posting a video of someone cheating and getting banned for it? It's just retardingly absurd.
Wrong on so many occasions and where do you get your numbers on how often it happens, do you have inside non public information? Because if you don't that's the equivalent of pulling numbers out of your rear end and stating them as facts. Which leads us to this nice quote.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.
Also all real life court session aren't open to the public, some are closed to the public to protect you guessed it victims as well as the accused when there's a reasonable need for it. My stance isn't unreasonable at all, what's unreasonable is you wanting to break the rules you agreed to. You know the ones called TOS/EULA that you agreed to abide by which clearly state that NAMING AND SHAMING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.
As @weirdkid5 said the devs put those rules into place so either follow them or don't and see what happens. They put those rules to protect that perhaps 1 in 10,000 person from turning around and suing them for the false accusation etc.
Lastly most states have laws called libel laws while not widely used in the online community have been sued and to great success against those making said accusation. The same is true all over the world which is why most companies also require when you click accept that you agree to BINDING ARBITRATION when a dispute arises.
You don't have to like it or even agree with it, but by clicking accept you have to follow it. No ifs, ands or buts since those are the rules you agreed to follow. Steam and every gaming community out there CS, League of Legends, etc all follow the same rules.
Yes and much like weirdkid, your argument is resorting to making up things I never said. Well done!
Where did I exactly say I am going to break any rules? I am stating my opinion about the ridiculousness of the matter.
BTW - about libel laws - you ARE AWARE there is a DEFENSE called "speaking the truth", right? Or are you just spouting nonsense out of your rear end without any real knowledge of it?
That means, that if you called someone a cheater PUBLICLY, and you have spoken the truth, you CANNOT be sued for it.THAT IS RIGHT SON!
Source: I am a lawyer.
Nice try, though, but please, try not to make up stuff without the littlest knowledge in it.
And again, if someone is actually "naming and shaming" without proof or just for the heck of it, or just posting fake videos which is highly unlikely and rare - they can be dealt with and banned. It's NOT that hard for developers and mods cross reference a game and the participating players.
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@weirdkid5 said:
@Satsui
At the end of the day, regardless of your stance or our stance on it, these are the rules the devs have put it place. Either follow them or don't and see what happens. Up to you.Are you trying to sound smart or something? Cause it ain't workin', son.
I never said I am going to do something against the rules.
I'm just saying those rules are ridiculous and the Hacker Protection policies in place are ridiculous too. I'm pointing out the ridiculousness and overreaching of those Hacker Protection Policies in place to help griefers and cheaters stay as concealed as possible and with littlest repercussions to their actions even though there is sound evidence against them.That's my opinion, deal with it.
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@SaltyKiller said:
You can still email them. But it's weird that they removed the form.AFAIK they don't handle report in mail, only if you submit in game report.
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@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
TBH this is bullcrap.
The amount of effort it takes to "fake" a video like this, and the odds someone will get "witch hunted" are ludicrously slim to non existent.
It's like saying I won't be flying because I'm afraid of plane crashes.
Meanwhile cheaters and griefers get to do what the hell they want. This is stupid.
This is not naming and shaming. This is naming and justice.
Wrong and it's actually not that hard if you want to to grief someone with it. If you're really desperate to grief you can pay someone to fake edit a video or screenshot. Your so called naming and justice is reminiscent of the frontier justice. Oh that person stole my horse and here's my made up proof. Now go hang them from the nearest tree.
So what are you defending really?
Because, a report can be "faked" too, but obviously the devs/mods can easily cross check the game info and see if that player really griefed or his name was edited.So really you are defending that 1 out of 10,000 cases where someone would "shame" someone else by posting an edited video of his name with another someone who hacked / griefed.
And then what? Who the hell cares? I wouldn't really care that much if someone did that to me for the sake of shaming real hackers and griefers on 99.9%. I will just report the person who posted the fake video, the mods/devs can cross-reference the details in the video, and then ban him altogether.
Really, your stance and over-zealous protection of griefers and hackers is just unreasonable.
And who the ######### would pay to momentarily post a fake video to "shame" someone else on a video game? lol.
Hackers needs to be known. Your ######### actions and destroyal of gameplay should have consequences and not be protected with some far-fetched slim-to-none chances for a "witch hunt" or a "fake video".
That's why in real life all court sessions are public, and so are criminal records!
These Hacker & Griefer protection policies are absurd.
I'd be fine if it wasn't allowed to make evidence-less claims, but posting a video of someone cheating and getting banned for it? It's just retardingly absurd.
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Because they are lazy, I guess?
No other reason.
In the few months they removed the report function, I have seen more hackers and griefers than my whole DBD experience ever.
Sad as #########.
And the worst part - they don't give the littlest #########. I asked in Q&A and on the steam forums and on the streams a million times what's being done about it and they are completely ignoring it.
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@weirdkid5 said:
@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
TBH this is bullcrap.
The amount of effort it takes to "fake" a video like this, and the odds someone will get "witch hunted" are ludicrously slim to non existent.
It's like saying I won't be flying because I'm afraid of plane crashes.
Meanwhile cheaters and griefers get to do what the hell they want. This is stupid.
This is not naming and shaming. This is naming and justice.