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well im good looper and i have many friends so we can make 2 min vs not bad killers and 5 gen chases vs bad killers (and die to noed), but you told about using 1 pallet for 5 gens, and thats impossible to pull off constant
and i will repeat it if killer is in 5 gen chase he is bad and he only follow surv not mindgame them, or not using moonwalk (moonwalk like hidint red light not legions moonwalk) killers can zone you by kicking pallet from good side, so i can agree with constant long chases or 5 gen chases vs press W and follow surv killers (i do that) but i cant belive in meeting those killers all the time on red ranks because if your friend is good he is there. And again im not telling in red ranks are only good killers/and survs (because there is a lot of bad players) but there you should b
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well im good looper and i have many friends so we can make 2 min vs not bad killers and 5 gen chases vs bad killers (and die to noed), but you told about using 1 pallet for 5 gens, and thats impossible to pull off constant
and i will repeat it if killer is in 5 gen chase he is bad and he only follow surv not mindgame them, or not using moonwalk (moonwalk like hidint red light not legions moonwalk) killers can zone you by kicking pallet from good side, so i can agree with constant long chases or 5 gen chases vs press W and follow surv killers (i do that) but i cant belive in meeting those killers all the time on red ranks because if your friend is good he is there. And again im not telling in red ranks are only good killers/and survs (because there is a lot of bad players) but there you should be able to meet good killer more frequently
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well im good looper and i have many friends so we can make 2 min vs not bad killers and 5 gen chases vs bad killers (and die to noed), but you told about using 1 pallet for 5 gens, and thats impossible to pull off constant
and i will repeat it if killer is in 5 gen chase he is bad and he only follow surv not mindgame them, or not using moonwalk (moonwalk like hidint red light not legions moonwalk) killers can zone you by kicking pallet from good side, so i can agree with constant long chases or 5 gen chases vs press W and follow surv killers (i do that) but i cant belive in meeting those killers all the time on red ranks because if your friend is good he is there. And again im not telling in red ranks are only good killers/and survs (because there is a lot of bad players) but there you should be able to meet them more frequently
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@TreemanXD but you know when you heal someone youre wasting 2x 16 seconds (Without sloppy) which is almos equivalent of half gen? and if 2 ppl heal eachother its almost full gen? so for full gen you get useless (vs legion) health state
[Edit] why i wrote 2x 16 sec? because for 16 seconds 2 survs are busy doing healing/getting healed
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@TreemanXD oh sory i thought you were same guy (same icon), my mistake, earlier in this post was someone that suggested me to run urban evasion because its countering Legion,
about not working together i can kinda agree (except cases when other survs are following you like dogs to heal them or to do gen together, you cant tell them to go) and when you spawn together or unhook to save and met other teammate not all the time all 3 survs are going in 3 directions
but it doesnt give you "go to" what to do in chase i dont feel bad about mending and going back to gen, 45sec(random number but timer is real) unavoidable down and teammates that selfcare vs him, tell me how to win vs Legion when you see 2 teammates selfcaring in corner, give me hope that i need to not DC after seeing 2 selfcaring teammates
once again sory, my mistake i thought you wrote sth earlier but it was someone else ;/
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@MhhBurgers vs nurse you can break LOS, vs very good nurse you will die most likely in 20 seconds i can agree BUT you know whats difference between playing vs very good nurse and legion? very good nurse is rare and need 100s of hours on nurse, but legion needs weekend at most or perk bloodhound if he just wants to moonwalk so if you ask me if i want to play/lose vs someone that played his killer 100s or even 1000s hours or vs someone that played legion for 20 hours and M2 you after 3rd try so now he will moonwalk, i choose 1st option all the time, Legion helped me with my hatred towards nurse, now i dont hate her
OFC @Shad03 not every Legion is pepega, from what i read you arent but its rare case among legion players, and as much rare is finding (as solo) teammates that wont heal vs legion (thats why i DC when i see 2 of 3 of my teammates selfcaring vs legion, because i know game is lose, they will spent 32 seconds to do sth useless)
[edit: i took wrong person by mistake] @TreemanXD your only "counter-play" was hiding vs someone that may be blind (not using whispers/ ignore if gen is touched) or vs someone that can SEE your hiding ass after M2 other surv, xd you gave me counterplay like "just genrush him 4Head" thats not counter xddd
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@Shad03 i dont wont to be mean but i cant belive in constantly pulling of 5 gen chase agains every killer (except nurse), i want some proof because i refuse to belive someone can for example 10 times in row meet so bad killers, but if for example you are playing together and someone has R15 and you play vs R15 killer thats possible, but that count as de-ranking to bully baby killers and that should be bannable + if he is using "deffinetly not infinite windows" (i hope you know what i mean, like ironworks window) then its possible but thats scummy and there is no infinite window in every map so its not possible
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@Shad03 if killer is hold for entire game with 1 pallet and T/L walls that mean that killer is dumb enough and even bloodlust 3 isnt helping him, BL 3 is pretty much guaranteed hit
im not telling your friend isnt good, but that killer was literally worst killer in the game, i know there can spawn disgusting set-ups on lerrys or haddonfield and then map can almost be infinite
no mather how much your friend is good with current game mechanics BL3 (i know its weaker than it used to be but still its strong), bamboozle you can pull off 5 gen chase using 1 pallet IF killer isnt pretty much rank 15
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@MhhBurgers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362690#Comment_362690
So complaints of ppl are relevant now? Killer Acceleration buff to stop palletlooping when?
well killers are complaining about pallet looping since survs started doing that, and now its over 2 times less pallets (maybe even less than 2 times but 2 times since i started playing so i can tell that much) so tell me sth about no results in bitching about pallet loops
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@Shad03 we can argue most ppl will complain about anything but in my case Legion is 1st killer i complain about as whole (ofc i complain about red/purple stuff from both sides not only killers but i never was so anti killer as whole) i started playing 2 months before Freddy came out and i didnt complained about him (maybe about 20 freddys in row after week but it was more about 20 same killers in row than its freddy)
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i too like this thread, almost noone is using arguments "you are bad" its amazing, im not telling to delete legion because 1st they wont do that (they literally cant), 2nd i like their desing (except power), Sussie is BAE, and i bought both her skin and DLC 1h after release
i want their re-work, i know you can give me a lot plays as Legion, but when you play vs other Legions you can agree most games looks like "i do the exact same things you did but faster but wait for my m2" or "i will moonwalk you to death". And i get that you may play in diffrent way i have exact same problem(but with other killer), i main pig and as we all know 90% of pig players (that arent doing daily) refuse to use dash, or crouch to sneak on survivors (half of them tunnel trap or suck for whole game to use noed and trap 3ppl so they cant run away) and i play pig(and some wraith) with enduring/spirit fury/ whispers/bbq, use crouch to pull survivors off gens and because 90% of pig players thinks her main power are traps those 10% pig players are treated as 4Heads because noone belives you about crouch or dash
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about finding things that counter killer, for me playing isnt just mindlessly going from game to game (im not telling you that you are doing that) but i like find ways to get better and improve counterplaying is one of ways to do it,
and my analogy cant be used on every killer because only legion doesnt have counterplay, and without counter play you play almost like bot programed to run + compare finding counter play to killers and as killer finding counter play for T/L walls, shack, and any other structure (some windows dont have counterplay and shouldnt even exist) its same, you learn how to play and not be press W gamer, but i bet when you play vs huntress you never look behind you to dodge hatchet (edited)
and about myers, give me every myers you have i will give you every Legion i get :D vs myers you can break LOS and loop him, but i get you may be annoyed when you play vs same killer over and over again(but remember myers isnt worst killer you may get over and over again)
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you are killer main and if you use BBQ i bet you saw and had ######### thinks what that person is doing in map corner, even on red ranks i know without those 4Heads killer que on red ranks would be impossibly long but god pls dont make me play with them as my teammates
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well its not about cooperating with each other in soloQ, but smart killer will look for surv that will camp pallet and waste them without looping, then as you told there is not enough pallets, but if there wont be single person camping pallet or afc in bush, there wouldnt be any problem in soloQ but in most ranks, most survs are just camping pallets and i see that from both sides as surv (with bond) or killer
lately i've been playing swf without voicecoms ( like 33% of my surv games, 67% is solo), and i love playing that way swf because im sure there is no 4Heads in my team, and thats all i need to be happy, i dont need to share info, i dont need to be on calls or be coordinated, i just want to be sure there isnt 4Head in my team, but whenever you dont have 4Heads in team angry killers are like "FU swf on discord" etc but thats rank system for you, to be sure you wont have 4Heads in team you need to make your team even without voicecoms, but when you are running bond you get enough info
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and btw i found you in another thread whining about survs that refuses to heal vs Legion, so if you think m1 as 110%ms killer is that easy why i found you whining about that? it was in thread about new killer and you wrote they just wont use shrines to heal so she will end in bad spot as legion xd decide, make 1 opinion not 2 opinions in 2 threads
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well i never heal vs legion, i can get chased by legion that doesnt use power all day long all 5 gens long
and about "staying exposed vs hag" hag can tp, legion cant your argument is invalid,
getting hit by m1 vs 110%ms killer is ekhem hard well if surv has no map awareness its possible but if surv isnt bad what is faster? hit him 3 times with m2 or pallet loop not bad surv as 110%ms killer i bet you vs not bad surv 3 times m2 is way faster
yesterday i was chased vs huntress that used all hatchets (missing 3, i dodged 2) and refused to refill, i got hit for 1st time after 4 gens and only because she had unrelenting and i misscalculated distance and attack colddown slow
edit: "What you're describing is mostly the solo-survivor life. If you want to genrush a killer then play SWF." so youre telling me to only play swf(not to genrush but to not struggle with 4Head teammates)? well its funny when killer which hate swf is advicing you to play swf
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+ looking at claudettes urban evading in map corner when meanwhile you are chased is neat too, at least 1 time per day i see 1 surv urban evading and while watching him UE somewhere i do equivalent of at least 50% of gen
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@TreemanXD well when i see on bond 2 ppl selfcaring vs legion its almost impossible to not press esc and Leave match, because 2 surv would rather selfcare vs legion than in SAME TIME do equivalent of 1 gen (counting sloppy its 2x 40sec, gen = 80sec)
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@TreemanXD well working together with randoms (i play soloQ as surv) is quite difficult. Or your tip "dont" meant just DC or sui vs every legion then i fully agree with that tip
but i wont stop looking for reliable counterplay because there is a lot of Legion mains that think he is healthy killer (imo its Pepega killer) but maybe they are right and im pepega but at this point i didnt found answer, and any of legion mains didnt have me proper answer trapper try to predict where traps are, disarm etc. Wraith just look for him and dont let him block window or pallet, billy just dont be too far from window and pallet (dont be in dead zone) then you can loop him, nurse? try to break LOS and if its not good nurse there is much more counterplays i can talk about every single killer but legion? just wait for his 3rd colddown on his m2 xd or just wait for timer to down you
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@Incompetent how do you play stealthy when he m2 other surv and sees you?
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@Hoodedfengm1n you didnt told about praying but its earlier in this thread as counterplay
and about that slowing bar thing, even if that really works (which i doubt) but lets take it as true but it still doesnt helps because youre still on timer and Legion will wait couple seconds to regenerate bar and stab you again, so its just advice "just wait for next m2" which isnt solving issue with no counterplay
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@Hoodedfengm1n it doesnt slowing timer xd if it does show me proof because atm i have patchnotes vs your and only YOUR word...
so we are still looking for someone that shows me REAL counter instead of telling me to pray for legion to be dumb and lose me
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@Hoodedfengm1n urban evading away wont help vs bloodhound and for that to work you need to use urban and use dark clothes i like my colorfull survs like pink/blue nea, blue feng, or white meg, and again its still praying for legion to not be able to find you + it isnt helping when legion is chasing you outside of chase range
2nd "instantly begin mending" do you know mending doesnt stops timer?
3rd healing takes 32 seconds (if someone is healing you it takes 2x 16sec) which is worth almost half gen and that health state almost never makes difference because Legion has guaranted hit that ignore that health state and he will see you anyway (so groans of pain and blood arent that much hurting you when you do gen or you dont have timer on yourself)
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about adapting, about year ago there was over 2 times more pallets than now. and killers still crying about pallet loop, tell me sth about killers adapting
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@Hoodedfengm1n well i asked everybody so i can ask you, how in your opinion you can counter the timer? dont tell me "just dont let him lose you" or "just dont let him moonwalk you"
Give me real answer on which i can rely while playing vs Legion.
Up to this point only answers i got: "just pray he dumb enough to lose you" or "just pray for good teammates that wont selfcare or heal vs legion" maybe you will give me proper answer
because if you defend legion that means you found that answer or you are just legion main that doesnt see issue because it isnt him that is playing vs legion
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@Hoodied said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361494#Comment_361494
OR here is a thought
Deal with the deep wound status effect and learn that simply Deep wound is literally self care on a timer
on timer that can AND IS abused xd
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@Shad03 you're not giving me any reliable counterplay (that only tells me there is no reliable counterplay) atm im not joking but you're telling me to pray for killer to not know where i ran to(i refuse to play P3 claudette) or to dodge 5th or 6th m1 when killer has no CD on m1
i played vs a lot of legions and its not like i never try to play vs him (recently i played like 80h with loot build so if i loot sth good which isnt that rare case for example flashlight or maps or keys) and i dont want to DC when i get my hands on good item BUT im playing with bond and i see 2 of my teammates selfcaring in corner vs legion i cant do sh.., so now you can tell me pray for better teammates when you play solo, or just play SWF that most killers hate just fight hate vs hate
so to summarize it a little, in soloq:
if you get teammates that self care vs legion you are doomed,
if you play vs legion that tunnel sh.. out of you, you are doomed,
if you play vs Legion with franxmixtape, you are doomed,
if legion will moonwalk you, you are doomed,
about 1/10 games(EDIT to make it clear "vs legion") are free of it, so you would rather look for 10% chance to play good match or go to another (after DC or sui on 1st hook)
ofc there is argument any killer can tunnel you yes but most killers that tunnel are so bad that they can be easly looped for 4-5 gens in all of your 3 chances, but as legion nah
Edit: i played enough in DBD and escape doesnt matter for me that much, i like good chases but vs legion you wont get that
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@Shad03 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361510#Comment_361510
@Galklife I'll be respectful and show you not everyone here is bad.
Not all Legions play very scummy like that. I can tell you right now you are screwing over people who paid for Legion one way or the other. I can understand frustrations for killers dodging or dcing but you are being a part of the problem. I've faced many a Legion and won chases against them, and I am by no means, a good survivor. The counters are to stay a step ahead, lose line of sight, pray the Legion isn't running Bloodhound. Heal when you can, never know when the Legion is a M1/R2/RT killer.
I certainly don't, even when it would be the smartest thing to do. I only abuse mechanics when I feel like I have to. Otherwise I play as normally as possible without actively hindering myself. I play Hag a lot so I can play Legion, who is a lot like a powerless Hag.
I am not really 'one of those people' who say 'YoU'Re A SUrvIvOr mAIn', I hate those people. However if you can tell me you play Legion rank 1 against even a suboptimal swf group in rank 1 with proof of you killing at least three, then I will concede and say you won the argument. (Rank only matters when it's against you.)
All survivors are equal to all killers. In the fact that it doesn't matter your skill, if a killer outplays you, you will die without teamwork. With your logic every killer is braindead since they all have the same objectives, they only differ in how they go about it. Which is what I can't understand about people like you. The Nurse can teleport to hit you. The Wraith uncloaks by you and hits you. The Trapper straight up strides over and smacks you. Every killer, no matter what their ability, has to chase and hurt you. But I guess since the Legion has the ability to moonwalk you to death it's a bad thing. Despite every other killer having less ways to lose you.
so in your opinion surv can only lose LOS and pray to not get found? thats best counterplay you found? thats Pog from me
and hag isnt powerless xd its like 5th or 6th strongest killer
but to be real there is 1 way to fix that, in lobby survs can see killer (killer can see survs) and then both sides can DC if they dont like each other BUT to prevent bully, all Loadouts are locked, no perk changing, no Last sec switch to Legacy FL or to Legion. and both sides will be happy, except kids that like to bully baby killers (they should get punished)
and to ppl that use argument "i dont belive survs would prefer to play vs nurse more than vs legion" and then "rly good nurse will down you instant without counterplay" yea RLY GOOD NURSE, but Legion just need to play his 3rd game in DBD to down you no mather how good surv you are
edit: how i wrote every killer is braindead? "All survivors are equal to all killers. In the fact that it doesn't matter your skill, if a killer outplays you, you will die without teamwork. With your logic every killer is braindead since they all have the same objectives, they only differ in how they go about it." vs normal killer you can die faster or slower depends on difference between killer<-> surv skill lvl, BUT vs legion you have unavoidable Timer that punish you for losing killer xd
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@MhhBurgers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361510#Comment_361510
I doubt ppl like you are able to loop any killer for longer than 20 secs in the first place so what's your issue🤣
men i love how pepega are legion mains
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OK @Shad03
tell me how i can adapt to killer that when he got stun and is destroying pallet, you cant run away from him and you have to wait untill he finish breaking pallet because if you ran YOU WILL GET PUNISHED for losing killer or making distance between you, thats the most braindead about Legion, Killer that is rewarded after he makes mistakes ... i wont even tell about 80% of moonwalking legions which isnt reportable because its "game mechanic" so i keep my steam nick "galklife Legion=DC" and most survs in lobby are telling me ~im with you buddy i will DC too
dont you think most Legion mains are killers that didnt adapted to DBD and use easiest way to play? (just ignoring every other game mechanic)
and you cant use argue im surv main, i play both roles equal and i dont need perks to as wraith get to R1 (if rank ever meant anything but some still think that way so i use it so they cant argue about rank)
and Last not least, you know whats most frustrating about Legion? all survs are equal when he is chasing you, no mather if you have 1,8k hours (like i do) or you are braindead meg (200h) you still will last 45 sec(random number but thats not the case) because hey ima Legion ima M2 you 3 times so you cant do sh.., just wait and get stabbed or moonwalked
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From what i see from your emblems, they did gens pretty quick and you hit them after they gained broken status effect (you played how devs wants) BUT i guess they didnt made that as points in chase xd which is pretty silly. So you get cucked by devs that didnt noticed lack of chase points for new killer (same is with chase points as billy, you can 4k with brown chaser) + when during chase you puke on survs chase is longer so you get less points after finishing chase than if you would hit them instant so we need to give them feedback about that
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@ReikoMori said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/349489#Comment_349489
Survivors already have the use of third party programs to see what killer they will be going against. Also, yet another complaint about slugging.
So youre telling me, because i dont wanna be 4min on ground because some kid want 4K i have to get 3rd party program that can made me PERMA BANNED? i'd rather DC if i get banned for couple DC after freakin 1,3k(now i have bit more) playtime without single DC, then that game is rigged AF,
+ if you erase Leave match button from UI do you think ppl wont [Bad word] on 1st hook? so then killers will slug ppl to keep them in game?? that button has to be there
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Evp i fully agree with that, i saw way too many Legions complaining about survs DC
there is my solution after 30sec (or after all 5 ready up) there is 20 sec when survs see killer and killer FOR 1ST time sees survs but in those 20 sec there is no loadout changes it would be pretty much 20 sec if you want to play that game
ask why? killer can react to survs (franklin, lightborn, or change into doc vs 3 or 4 claudettes), but survs cant do sh.. so or both sides dont see eachother or both can (after loadout block because to prevent from booling trapper mainly)
outcome would be Legions cant find games (i can live with that, i main wraith and pig so im ok with that)
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But dont get me wrong tehshadowman33 i too dont like survs that DC WITHOUT reason (slug for 4K and legion is pretty good reason)
im maining pig and wraith (i use only brown and yellow add ons, no ruin, no noed, no tunnel, no camp) but ppl still DC. My fav is when DS user miss DS or is downed in 5 sec after hitting it, same with OoO if they find youre not baby killer they DC or suicide on 1st hook but noone can tell me wraith is hated in community or getting 1st kill on 7th hook is BM (if you dont belive i play this way i can link you sth i dont wanna promo here)
so i can get 3vs1 are BS i even have in my nick 3vs1 =DC because when you start as surv in 3vs1 or someone insta DC so 3vs1 on 5 gens, as surv youre doomed even if killer hard camp you cant punish him hard, if he tunnel you cant do sh.. about that, and if he wants to 3 men slug its way too easy so there is no reason to play 3vs1 especially now when 3vs1 from start is in 20% of games at least. If i get banned because of DCing in 3vs1 or vs moonwalking Legion that only means this game wants me to run DS, adrenaline, unbreakable and run "fun and ballanced deffinetly not infinite windows"
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I will tell you 2 things about your "popular reasons"
lets start from 2nd: if you slug for 4K survs have 4 choices, 1st just go and die (and dumb killer is happy), 2nd try to pick up (but most likely body is camped so he cant), 3rd surv that is alive press 1, 2 or keep droping and picking item for 4 min so he wont get crows and then hatch stand off vs someone that is so bored with life to camp body for 4min so hatch stand off can take quite some time, OR avoid those 3 and surv on ground DC and will save 4min bleeding out because killer wants to fap to 4K (i play both killer and surv, and played way too much over those 1,5 year)
and now time for 1st "popular reason"
as killer you can dodge surv lobby, is it 4 squadettes, or 4 Legacy or 4 FL (i didnt dodged lobby in like 7 months, but many killers still do) so killer can choose his opponent(kinda) but surv doesnt have that chance, and i promise you if survs would check killer Legions and Nurses wouldnt find ANY lobby, only because of that unballance (killer can, surv cant) you think survs DCing vs Legion is weird, i dont know you but i bet my money on that you DCed many many times because someone last sec switched or facecamped them, but for surv you pretty much are always last sec switching
Let survs in lobby see you play Legion, grab popcorn and wait hour to find lobby that wont dodge legion. Ofc you could tell surv would change their loadout if they would know killer but lets block loadout in killer lobby im full in it, let me see and dodge every Legion that only can moonwalk to get down...
Edit: About changing loadout after possibility of seeing killer, killer can change their loadout after seeing survs (equip franklin/lightborn, change killer that is better vs stealth) so its even more unfair
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I agree with fact that surv DC is ruining other players gameplay (and what i will write later is small % of cases) BUT you have to remember killer can dodge swf, killer can dodge flashlights, killer can dodge 3 P3 claudettes but surv doesnt have that possibility. And at current state of game i admit i DC vs every single franx mixtape legion or prayer beads + thrill(with ruin or dev hope) spirit im just done with that kind of playstyle, and as well as killer can dodge immerse P3 claudettes because he doesnt want to play where is waldo instead of DBD but there isnt same option for surv.
Im playing both roles 60/40 so i see problems on both sides but 1 side can chose vs who he plays when 2nd have to pray "dont be legion" xd so i see it this way killer lose possibility to look at survs (even nicknames) but he can look at their pings (to dodge 300ping survs) or survs at some point can look at killer (maybe in last 10 sec lobby when they couldnt change anything)