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@Runiver said:
You're comparing a balanced perk with a broken perk.
Obviously, the broken perk (sprint burst) will be better.And yet both are getting nerfed. Which will DOUBLY impact Dead Hard, because not only will it not regen while sprinting but it will still be worse in all the ways it already was to begin with. Aka barely giving you any distance and not being useable while healed, as well as being easy to counter play. Now how the ######### do you counterplay sprintburst? You don't. So sprint burst will still not only be better, it will actually all of a sudden be A LOT better because Dead Hard is getting the same exhaust nerf.
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@Wolf74 said:
You obviously do not know how to use the perk.
I have to agree that I myself aren't using it to it's full potential either, that's why I do not use it.
But as a killer main I can tell you that there are a lot of people making very effective use of it, by baiting a swing every time they use it.This is again a YOU problem. And so you want to balance a perk around the lower end of the skillspectrum and buff it, but that's the kind of logic that already messed up DS.
No. Ask any good killer and as soon as they know you have dead right it becomes down right dead. If you wait for them to swing too long the good killers won't lunge and instant attack you where you have 0 reaction time. If they don't employ this trick then they'll just wait for you to use it and make up the measly 3-5 feet of distance it creates in a second or less with a lunge afterwards. If it either A gave more distance or at least was useable in a healthy state then it would be great. But it does neither and it is absolutely sub-par.
Literally test it for the next few days like I have and you will see the good killers catch on quick and absolutely negate and gut this perk. Also the amount of times you do not get to use it because it requires you to be injured is abnormal at times. Then again I do not know what survivor rank you play at, its not difficult to achieve but I'm at rank 1 with decent killers.
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@Onehouse said:
Look, dude, Dead Hard was a game breaking perk when it was introduced as is. Survivor is supposed to be a stealth game, meaning you're to try your best to never get that close to a killer. It's like Decisive Strike & hatch escape in that the survivor using it is being rewarded for failure in the face of a killer who is actually playing his/her game to the best of abilities. You shouldn't worry over perks that require the killer to be in your face or to have hit you to activate. Find a stealth build that helps you do gens and vanish into the shadows before the killer gets line of sight on you. Also, don't fret the hooked teammates. Do gens first. Do a rescue when the killer is obviously busy with a chase far from the hook (aura perks can help sense that). If there's one or more teammates intent on swarming the hook then let them. Get those gens done because your ultimate goal is to survive to escape (& not by the hatch, please).@Wolf74 said:
I did a "lol" because asking for a buff to a powerful perk is pretty hilarious.I agree its a stealth game first, but if you honestly believe you are able to hide all game every game all 4 survivors then I don't know what to tell you. The killer will find you as is the mechanics of the game... Via generator noise, perks etc etc. So once this happens you cannot out run them and an exhaustion perk not only helps, but is kind of a must in rank 1 play.
Also to it being 'powerful' it isn't, its a B tier perk and it is more than useable. But it having so many weaknesses as I stated is a reason why 95% of people don't run it. Sprint burst I believe is better in almost every way and it is OP, therefore it is getting a nerf. But by it getting a nerf, it also nerfs other exhaustion perks which the dev's said they'll monitor closely.
The only time dead hard is EVER op is if you bait out an extra swing from a killer that is carrying a survivor, that is it. Once they know you have the perk, its dead 'USELESS'. You might as well just use it for distance at that point and not to dodge a hit, oh and it gives you terrible distance... Its super easy to play around and even when it isn't the litany of things that one shot you therefore you can't even attempt to use it makes it almost pointless.
All I'm saying is make it actually always useful like sprint burst, hell take away the 'invincibilty' frame it gives. Just let me actually use the ######### thing. I've done nothing but use it the past I don't know 20-40 games and its just trash tier compared to sprint burst. inb4 you say 'this is a stealth game play perkless'. You are #########, nothing needs to be said to that. Perks are there for a reason and I'm sharing my view of its current balance.
Its not 'unuseable' its just not worth using with its current draw backs and sprint burst existing. Not many things feel more unfun than literally having a dead perk that does not get to trigger because you go from Healthy to DYING state immediately.
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I love cleansing Totems, its kind of like a sickness that must be satisfied. I just get lucky and always stumble on most of them, in fact I think the totem placements or something to do with totem killer perks should be buffed. Like the killers being able to place their own totem to activate the tied to perk. Because honestly 4/5 games I'll find the Ruin within the first minute of the game.
Cleanse the leeetleee totems.
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Anything that buys you time is not useless and if you struggling throws him off his path both making him walk into obstacles and delay you being put on the hook then its worthwhile being in the game.
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Annoying - Doc/Leatherface.
Depressing - Nurse/Billy.
Unknown Yet - Clown.
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@Siggerad said:
If you have lag is your own connection, mateIts actually more likely to be the killers connection as hes the host. There are no servers. You can check your ping bottom right in lobby by the timer.
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The survivors are a bunch of pussies that hate a challenge, it would never fly and people would abandon game as there are way more survivors than killers. That being said, 4 v 1 is the better game mode. It just needs balancing.
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@Jack11803 said:
@MagV3 said:
@Jack11803 said:
@MagV3If you are camping, do it right. If not, do it right. How’d activate BT, and escape? Did you move away from the hook and nearest exit while staying close enough?
Yea I'll do it right next time. I'll just play like an #########. Appreciate the great forums, making dead by daylight players more awesome day after day. Could've just been like 'yea that sounds #########' it doesn't usually happen like that. Its not something that can always be replicated'.
Nah instead, 'git gud noob'. Fk I feel sorry for people that don't actually watch videos or try to better themselves. Once the ranks reset and you get these good survivors at 20, new players must just uninstall. I'm not the greatest, but I'm miles above the average player and this ######### frustrates so, just take it up the arse.
And your temperament is below average. I never said you had to camp. You either camp, or don’t. You don’t walk the line in between. You triggered BT, but weren’t camping, what the hell were you doing that close, and not near the gate then?
Stupid comments dwindled my temperament. Also some people just have a different vocabulary. Maybe I'm more passionate about some things, doesn't make my experience any less valid. I'm done, just going to adjust my play style as I said for killer. And keep breezing through survivor ranks.
Your understanding of newer players is also below average. Or your compassion, so fk you!
At this point this is meant more like a jest. So don't get too buttprickled at this one. -
@Jack11803 said:
@MagV3If you are camping, do it right. If not, do it right. How’d activate BT, and escape? Did you move away from the hook and nearest exit while staying close enough?
Yea I'll do it right next time. I'll just play like an #########. Appreciate the great forums, making dead by daylight players more awesome day after day. Could've just been like 'yea that sounds #########' it doesn't usually happen like that. Its not something that can always be replicated'.
Nah instead, 'git gud noob'. Fk I feel sorry for people that don't actually watch videos or try to better themselves. Once the ranks reset and you get these good survivors at 20, new players must just uninstall. I'm not the greatest, but I'm miles above the average player and this ######### frustrates so, just take it up the arse.
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@Jack11803 said:
@MagV3 said:
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@Jack11803 said:
At that point they outplayed you.Oh, they for sure did. I made the game fun, spreading out the damage and not camping, then at the end I was able to hook one and the borrowed time party of body blocking got him out the gate too. 'Outplayed so hard'. More tunnel, more noed, more camp. Got it. Thanks bud. The way the current power dynamic is they did a lot of outplaying, it was really hard for them maaaaan. The game was so hard for them. Again, I pip every [BAD WORD] game. Nah I'll be more fair 4/5 games. I'm a way worse survivor than I am killer and its easy as balls to climb. You've spent 1781 comments wasting your time here because you don't have ######### to contribute.
That situation wasn't ridiculous, because you were there and all. Nah, they outplayed you. lol. Got it, you're useless. The current dynamics of the game did not make it possible to down the guy. If I was running NOED then yea, at least 2-3 of them would have died. But in that situation they 'outplayed me'. The situation didn't make it possible. But its cool, I won't ever complain about an instance in the game of pure nonsense. Instead I will noed, tunnel and camp survivors. Lets all have fun.
I get 4k’s with doc at rank 1 frequently, calm your ass down. That’s never camping, tunneling, or using NOED btw.
Give me another example of something I am not debating about. Do you have reading comprehension problems? This is about MY particular game, MY particular situation involving borrowed time and a body block brigade 1/4th of a map away from the gates.
This does not involve 'git gud, your doctor or anything else'. You don't have anything to contribute to this because you weren't there and didn't see how it played out. So to say stupid ######### like 'git gud' in longer terms is moronic. Even though I don't like the perk and don't think it should be in the game as there is a way to punishing camping. WHICH I did not even do, but idiots like you keep mentioning camping its just a little ridiculous. Maybe borrowed time in most situations isn't OP, but it was in this one and you and your mother could've been there at the same time as 2 killers and probably wouldn't have downed their party. And that was my only point, in this situation it simply was OP and a ridiculous extra crutch that survivors do not need as the entire game is catered to them succeeding. Keep the perk, but don't tell me what I experienced was 'git gud'. Lol, as you have no clue in your nutella spinning brain what happened or did not happen.
Except you brought the entire match into this, and you wouldn’t of gotten in that situation in most cases, had you been better. There are definitly some SWF you can’t beat, I doubt that was the case here. Also, how the tell did this guy unhook someone injured and get a bodyblock? How far were you?
Dude, I was having a fun game, I was making the game fun and enjoyable. Then I hooked a guy at the end, after many hooks of others and went towards the opened gate. So obviously I was far enough where I could not get the first hit as hes unhooking. As I said I wasn't ######### camping for christ sake. So by the time I closed the distance and was able to land my first strike it didn't mean #########, as all 4 were then in tandem body blocking their asses off taking 1 hit at a time. There is a penalty for striking you see as killer... So 3 whacks in total and they were gone. Nothing to be done about it. But yea, I can't even have a complaint of what happened.
But go ahead and tell me 'you should've camped'. Well for the first time, we will be in agreeance. In the future I will camp, hardddd and with NOED so that every strike downs them like mudda fukkin' bolts from zeus firey anus. My bad though, any outrage of the current body block/borrowed time whack which doesn't mean ######### until you hit em twice yea that's just you gotta get better. Thank you for the amazing advice.
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@Jack11803 said:
@MagV3 said:
@Jack11803 said:
At that point they outplayed you.Oh, they for sure did. I made the game fun, spreading out the damage and not camping, then at the end I was able to hook one and the borrowed time party of body blocking got him out the gate too. 'Outplayed so hard'. More tunnel, more noed, more camp. Got it. Thanks bud. The way the current power dynamic is they did a lot of outplaying, it was really hard for them maaaaan. The game was so hard for them. Again, I pip every [BAD WORD] game. Nah I'll be more fair 4/5 games. I'm a way worse survivor than I am killer and its easy as balls to climb. You've spent 1781 comments wasting your time here because you don't have ######### to contribute.
That situation wasn't ridiculous, because you were there and all. Nah, they outplayed you. lol. Got it, you're useless. The current dynamics of the game did not make it possible to down the guy. If I was running NOED then yea, at least 2-3 of them would have died. But in that situation they 'outplayed me'. The situation didn't make it possible. But its cool, I won't ever complain about an instance in the game of pure nonsense. Instead I will noed, tunnel and camp survivors. Lets all have fun.
I get 4k’s with doc at rank 1 frequently, calm your ass down. That’s never camping, tunneling, or using NOED btw.
Give me another example of something I am not debating about. Do you have reading comprehension problems? This is about MY particular game, MY particular situation involving borrowed time and a body block brigade 1/4th of a map away from the gates.
This does not involve 'git gud, your doctor or anything else'. You don't have anything to contribute to this because you weren't there and didn't see how it played out. So to say stupid ######### like 'git gud' in longer terms is moronic. Even though I don't like the perk and don't think it should be in the game as there is a way to punishing camping. WHICH I did not even do, but idiots like you keep mentioning camping its just a little ridiculous. Maybe borrowed time in most situations isn't OP, but it was in this one and you and your mother could've been there at the same time as 2 killers and probably wouldn't have downed their party. And that was my only point, in this situation it simply was OP and a ridiculous extra crutch that survivors do not need as the entire game is catered to them succeeding. Keep the perk, but don't tell me what I experienced was 'git gud'. Lol, as you have no clue in your nutella spinning brain what happened or did not happen.
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@Jack11803 said:
At that point they outplayed you.Oh, they for sure did. I made the game fun, spreading out the damage and not camping, then at the end I was able to hook one and the borrowed time party of body blocking got him out the gate too. 'Outplayed so hard'. More tunnel, more noed, more camp. Got it. Thanks bud. The way the current power dynamic is they did a lot of outplaying, it was really hard for them maaaaan. The game was so hard for them. Again, I pip every ######### game. Nah I'll be more fair 4/5 games. I'm a way worse survivor than I am killer and its easy as balls to climb. You've spent 1781 comments wasting your time here because you don't have ######### to contribute.
That situation wasn't ridiculous, because you were there and all. Nah, they outplayed you. lol. Got it, you're useless. The current dynamics of the game did not make it possible to down the guy. If I was running NOED then yea, at least 2-3 of them would have died. But in that situation they 'outplayed me'. The situation didn't make it possible. But its cool, I won't ever complain about an instance in the game of pure nonsense. Instead I will noed, tunnel and camp survivors. Lets all have fun.
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Lol... If a killer doesn't play that way then he losses pretty hard. You say you play killer, yet it doesn't sound like it. Every game is stressful to the max, meanwhile as survivor you're like, yea whatever I'm going to chill. The game for killers is literally heartbeat pumping 90% towards the limit, with every second ticking down and you feeling the momentum slip away. Its a stressful role and the tunnel has to happen or you lose your momentum and then you get bullied by the nonsense. You want the killer to give you each 3 hooks which is 12 lives or 16 if you include DS... Yea wonder if they'd ever win.
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@Jack11803 said:
@MagV3 said:
You guys have camping stuck right up your ass, never did I even mention anything about camping yet it k> @Runiver said:@MagV3 said:
Right, except for when survivor 1 takes the hit, survivor 2 and 3 are body blocking and then prevent you from hitting the unhooker the 2nd time.Then it's called teamplay. You can totally hit the rescuer twice, once before he unhooks, then after he unhooks, in most cases. If they actually manage to prevent that, they did decent teamplay.
For how dedicated you are on these forums, did not expect for you to be a survivor apologist. The discussion is pretty over, I'm just going to go ahead and start running NOED. Once a lot of the aforementioned Q&A nerfs come into play and once surviving isn't brain dead easy with very little danger or stress to actually prevent yourself from getting a pip then maybe some of these situations won't pop up anymore.
Camping wasn't done in this game by the way, which is why they all 4 escaped. If I had camped I'm sure 2 kills easily could've been secured. But the killers too often play nice and by the survivor rules. Just found the situation pretty OP and came to share what just went down. I get it though, theres 4 survivors to every 1 killer, they're all deathly afraid for the game to get balanced and it will always be an uphill battle for the killers as 80% of the population are on the survivors side for continuously having easy game experiences. They're so incredibly scared that they even talk trash to perkless first time killers, its like they're complaining the game wasn't EASY enough for them. Pathetic.
Maybe it’s because you’re over reacting, or wrong about borrowed time? Me and runiver are widely accepted as having pretty accurate thoughts about balance, maybe you should try something else. I mean, you should either tie every game, or win half, and LOSE HALF.
Its not an over reaction, its simply something I shared that happened. If it doesn't happen again for another 49 games and happens in the 50th doesn't mean the interaction is appropriate. To literally be able to herd someone out and there be nothing you can do about it. 'Yes you can hit the guy twice and do this and do that'. Maybe, but in the game I played this was not possible as they rotated body blocking/taking hits in the exact and appropriate order they needed to. The situation I was in simply was OP, not every situation goes like that regarding borrowed time. But the one I encountered was beyond frustrating and back to the title of the thread I truly don't think the perk SHOULD be a thing. It was said 'well it was made to counter campers', I did not camp in this game and generally I don't camp. But if I do in the future, borrowed time shouldn't be the appropriate answer. It should be the survivors gen rushing even harder than they usually do and making me pay with 3.5+ generators being done...
If a chase is 30-60 seconds until the guy is downed, that is a generator right there, if I camp the hook you add another 3 generators and its game over. But the game doesn't cater ENOUGH to the survivors so lets just give em borrowed time. I'm a player where if I ######### up and I get hooked once or twice and the killer is camping me, I'd be glad to give my team that time for a free win. I depip? Who gives a #########, you can get that PIP as a survivor so mindlessly easy its ridiculous. I'm not a great survivor, yet I'm just flying through the ranks with sometimes great games and sometimes do nothing games, why the ######### am I ranking up? Because that is how little you have to do as a survivor. So if you ######### about being camped that one game where you take the L so your team takes the win, I'm sorry you're #########. A blind ferret can get a pip every game as a survivor.
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You guys have camping stuck right up your ass, never did I even mention anything about camping yet it k> @Runiver said:
@MagV3 said:
Right, except for when survivor 1 takes the hit, survivor 2 and 3 are body blocking and then prevent you from hitting the unhooker the 2nd time.Then it's called teamplay. You can totally hit the rescuer twice, once before he unhooks, then after he unhooks, in most cases. If they actually manage to prevent that, they did decent teamplay.
For how dedicated you are on these forums, did not expect for you to be a survivor apologist. The discussion is pretty over, I'm just going to go ahead and start running NOED. Once a lot of the aforementioned Q&A nerfs come into play and once surviving isn't brain dead easy with very little danger or stress to actually prevent yourself from getting a pip then maybe some of these situations won't pop up anymore.
Camping wasn't done in this game by the way, which is why they all 4 escaped. If I had camped I'm sure 2 kills easily could've been secured. But the killers too often play nice and by the survivor rules. Just found the situation pretty OP and came to share what just went down. I get it though, theres 4 survivors to every 1 killer, they're all deathly afraid for the game to get balanced and it will always be an uphill battle for the killers as 80% of the population are on the survivors side for continuously having easy game experiences. They're so incredibly scared that they even talk trash to perkless first time killers, its like they're complaining the game wasn't EASY enough for them. Pathetic.
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Right, except for when survivor 1 takes the hit, survivor 2 and 3 are body blocking and then prevent you from hitting the unhooker the 2nd time.
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@Mringasa said:
Just as Survivors should not expect a free escape, Killers shouldn't expect a free sacrifice. If you're going to camp someone at the end of the match, and I definitely think this is a good tactic to use, then you should do it smart.Don't hook them in front of the gate like an idiot. Hook them as far from the gate as possible.
Get used to your TR and stay that distance from the hook so BT can't proc.
Get better with your chase so you can avoid the bodyblockers at that point. Path a way to the gate that uses LoS blockers or something to give you a chance to get another hook/sacrifice.
Run NOED. Survivors see that Exposed warning and the totem draws them like flies. They want that totem almost as much as they want that Survivor you hooked. I've seen a Killer camp the NOED totem post-match and get a 4k because Survivors HAD to take it down before rescuing even though it was on the opposite side of the map from the hook.If you expect a free sacrifice when the gates are powered, think again. Blood Warden exists to draw out that endgame, as do a few other Perks. There are reasons Perks like BT and Noone Left Behind are in the game. I would be interested to see if anyone actually runs an endgame build for Survivor. Killers obviously do, which can be pretty effective, but I've actually not seen someone as a Survivor build to the endgame.
I agree, NOED is a must run perk on killers until balance changes are in effect. As far as someone saying 'well just hook them further' is again moronic. Its not up to you where you hook them when its 4 survivors that are good and body block well and as I mentioned earlier in 15 seconds you can traverse almost half the map... So reaching an exit gate isn't that difficult.
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You're a troll, I think you already had it before you stumbled in here.
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@Nick said:
Maybe you shouldn't camp then lmao.Maybe you should comment after reading the post. r/whoosh
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@Tizzle said:
@MagV3 said:
This is for end of the game purposes. Gates already opened. One is hooked, the other 3 are pretty much good as escaped. So now because the killer doesn't get bullied enough, gets even his last kill taken from him via borrowed time and body blocking. This isn't about camping.In 15 seconds you can traverse 1/3 to 1/2 of a typical map. You can't simply follow them and hit them twice with body blockers. They literally make it to opened gates.
Play better over the course of the game so that situation doesn't happen?
Not sure what to tell you if 1 person is hooked, 3 are alive, and exit gates are open.
I love that one, always comes back to 'git gud'. I guess 'git gud' just applies until you're the best in the world because well you know EVERYONE should and will be in the top 1% of players. Pretty realistic. Doesn't matter if you're pretty good and just lose that one time to a pretty OP situation, nope. Just not 'gud enough', gotta be better than 99% of the population.
Its good that the game is slowly started to get re balanced, so the brain dead survivor and their 10 freebies a game will start to shrivel. But I appreciate the comment, I'll make sure to run NOED on every killer just to avoid such situations in the future. Don't you love fairness, cheese survivor plays get combated by NOED I'm pretty sure. Better not hear any salt about that after the game.
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This is for end of the game purposes. Gates already opened. One is hooked, the other 3 are pretty much good as escaped. So now because the killer doesn't get bullied enough, gets even his last kill taken from him via borrowed time and body blocking. This isn't about camping.
In 15 seconds you can traverse 1/3 to 1/2 of a typical map. You can't simply follow them and hit them twice with body blockers. They literally make it to opened gates.
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@FixTheCamping said:
MineAntoiya said:Things like this have been suggested already. If the survivors aren't smart enough to finish the gens then they probably deserve the long, slow death by camping.
Thats the most stupidest thing u can say u guys camp because you get mad because u cant get the survivor or when the 3 last gens are close to each other u guys just get salty on the verge of an escape so u tunnel 1 guy the hook them nd then begin the camping
You do realize all 4 survivors are NOT supposed to live every game right?... Not saving your 1 buddy isn't going to make your brain explode.
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@ceridwen309 said:
They said they were working on the report system at some point. Hopefully @not_Queen can tell us more when she gets back from vacation.Trust me, I can understand the frustration of feeling like there is nothing you can do. My advice would be to record the video and get the info required, and if all goes well in the future, we can eventually show them some justice.
I have video evidence of a survivor/killer duo and he even streamed it. So I took a clip of it, sent it in. No idea if any justice has come to them or ever will, I was replied to with 1 line answers like a robot. They don't give a #########.
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Because it pays to be toxic and the devs don't want to ban toxic players to dwindle the already not so big community.
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Is this like a rank 20 thing? I'm not high but at 13 you rarely see a face camper. 56 matches straight? Something seems very wrong with the picture, those odds are like lottery winning or you're facing a bunch of rank 20 killers which are not very good meaning you yourself need to improve on evading them better.
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Is there an update anywhere when the PS4 is getting its patch? This is getting to be a ridiculous long wait for some of us returning/new players who need the Shrine.