Jaguar3500
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@Awakey said:
That's not how that works.
The killer IS MEANT to be powerful. Much, much more powerful than a single Survivor. What you described might be applicable of this was a 1 v 1 game. But it's a 1 v 4. Asymmetrical. Therefore, it would make ten times more sense (even though 10 x 0 is still 0 sense) to cut her power into fourths and THEN apply it to a single Survivor.
Read my previous message please. ⬆️
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To everyone who is taking this hypothetical literally, don’t. It was not saying someone was OP, or asking for nerfs or talking about balance. It was showing people why some believe she is unfun to play against. Of course its a botched idea in REALITY, but it only is supposed to make you think about how poeple find going invisible unfun, whether you are a survivor or killer.
If you can’t grasp that concept and assume that I havent played against her hundreds of times, or played her lots, then I pity you. Don’t balance the game around fun, but dont leave largely unfun areas of the game as is. Killers found instas unfun and they’re gone. Killers found exhaustion perks unfun so they were nerfed. Survivors found Nurse unfun and she was changed and is still a viable killer. THEY WERENT CHANGED BECAUSE THEY WERE UNFUN, THEY WERE CHANGED BECAUSE THEY WERE STRONG WHICH MADE THEM UNFUN.
Survivors find Spirit unfun not because she is overpowered, but because they want a reliable form of counterplay that gives them a better chance. I, personally find keys to be unfun, like most killers, so wouldn’t mind seeing them get changed along with Spirit. But these are all strong, its not balancing around fun, its balancing strong aspects of this game.
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@SpaceCoconut said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/815549#Comment_815549
You've highlighted the problem with your own argument without realizing it lol good job!
Fun is subjective so balance shouldn't be solely based around someone's arbitrary definition of fun.
No, my argument was NEVER about balancing the game around being fun. You have not read proporly. Fun is subjective, but the post detailed as to why Spirit is deemed to be unfun for some. Got that? It was aimed to give people an understanding of the other person’s pov.
Lol you’ve shown that you dont read carefully, Good job!
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@SpaceCoconut said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/815221#Comment_815221
Many killer players don't find looping fun.
Decisive strike isn't fun for killers.
The hatch and slugging for the 4k isn't fun.
Infinite loops aren't fun.(Ironworks, Suffocation pit, haddonfield)
gen rush isn't fun.
Going against swf groups isn't fun.
See the problem with your argument yet?
Going against SWF can be fun.
Gen rush is only a thing if you let it happen, try to 3 gen strat if this is a problem.
any smart killer main knows to not follow a survivor to an infinite, but to rather pressure gens.
The hatch can be closed, it is your choice to slug or not, it is not forced.
Decisive Strike is easily countered by leaving them or not tunneling them and is a fair perk, anyone who complains about this still baffles me.
Looping and winning mindgames at loops is fun.
See the problem with yours?
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@hinoutoumei said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/815473#Comment_815473
have you played spirit? don't confuse someone being good at a killer with the general OP of that specific character. there's a reason she is labeled hard to play. i can guarantee that if they nerf her , the people playing her will either continue to play her and nothing will change or play another killer and then 3 months down the road they will nerf that killer because their too op.
this will become a bit more noticeable whenever they change the ranking system and people are actually at the ranks they belong at.
But you have missed the whole point of this post. It isnt about what is op and what isnt, its about the reasons people find Spirit unfun to play against, you can’t decide for people if they have fun or not. That is the message, but people tend to go off point and deter from the original message.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/815443#Comment_815443
She has counter play and obeys game mechanics.
How would you define counterplay?
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@hinoutoumei said:
even with the absence of the whoosing sound due to an addon and the pretend to go afk tactic (which is not a good tactic since it wastes time) there are far too many in game quest (visual / audible) to make you aware of what she is up to.
as far as players voting on killers who are unfun to play against..who cares? as a killer, I don't really care if the opposing team had fun being killed or not killed by me. boo hoo?
Are we talking about the same killer here?
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@Yamaoka said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/815380#Comment_815380
WAKEMEUPINSIDE? You two are actually a badass team not gonna lie. ❤️
Yeahhhhhh lol, awe tysm ❤️
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@ArrowTheGreat11 said:
Whatever happened to Billy? He used to be the second best killer in the game behind Nurse, and now I don’t even remember what a chainsaw sounds like :(
I like playing against Billy because he’s pretty balanced and its fun for both sides.
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@TragicSolitude said:
I've been playing killer for the last few days without glasses and without audio, meaning I'm half blind and completely deaf. I'm constantly unable to see where survivors go and having to guess their locations. Every chase is a guessing game.
-shrugs- I don't really care. It's fine.
But that is completely irrelevant because you are personally crippling yourself. Nice challenge to try, though :)
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@Yamaoka said:
You're a killer main? Always thought you were a 50/50 player. You're on XB1 right?
Yep, play more killer but have a swf group i play with sometimes :)
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/815311#Comment_815311
Care to explain how to see the results? All I see is a text written by him, why not make the results public?
I believe he said he would show in a video, but stated the most important result first. Scott is a killer main and a well respected player. Do you believe he would lie about something so controversial? It’s possible, yes, but extremely unlikely. I would like to see the published results but as of right now, I have no reason to believe he would lie.
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@lynelmane said:
You forget that the spirit has to guess where the survivors are because she can't see them in phase. there's ways to counter this. ie. leave the loop when shes phasing or be unpredictable. don't wait at pallets - she will get a hit if you stand there and wait to throw it or wait to see if she is mindgaming.
switching the roles around means nothing because it doesn't work that way. i know it is to make people think but it is a bad analogy.
No, it isn’t in my opinion.
Spirit doesnt need to guess, she has sounds, collision and scratch marks. If you are guessing as Spirit, then you arent using her effectively.
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Look up Scott Jund’s poll of you want evidence, I believe it was 86% of players who voted deemed her unfun to play against.
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@xRem said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/815276#Comment_815276
Guessing isnt a counter completely but baiting is,let's say you run to a window and fast vault, then immediately fast vault back in then run or slow vault back out, in that situation you forced spirit to guess and therefore had the opportunity to escape if you did either or.
But would you find that fun as the survivor? Having to play like that just for her power to come back straight away and do it over and over. It’s not interactive.
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@GodDamn_Angela said:
"... leave no way of tracking ... grass, corn etc."
You do know that you can see these things move while she is invisible right?
Also I can't believe that people are still complaining about Killer's that are good at their job. She at least has to follow collision rules unlike The Nurse.
Also also its just really funny seeing all this when, like, 8 months ago people were still arguing that she was bottom tier.
No, as a survivor you cannot see grass and corn move when she is Phasing over it.
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@xRem said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/815233#Comment_815233
Fun is subjective and you shouldn't base an argument about it, if you think spirit has no counter play then why do chases last different times? If there truly was nothing survivors could do to delay her ever how are there different amounts of times she chases people?
And the whole "sHEs JuSt BAd" argument is the same as saying a survivor makes one mistake and gets hit therefore the survivor is awful, dont question if the killer did something to mindgame the survivor it's just the survivor is bad.
Guessing is not counterplay. Its guessing. Thats why some chases are longer, because a survivor guessed correctly.
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This isn’t about balance or wanting Spirit nerfed, the point of this post is to show you why most survivors dislike Spirit. Would you like not being able to see or track a survivor? It’s not real, its a hypothetical to figure out if you would find that fun to play against. Don’t take it literally, as of course this is not the same in a 4v1, its showing how Spirit is not fun to many.
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@TeambossFloze said:
I dislike playing against hillbilly more - I think his map control is by far the most broken thing in the game.
Billy is an ok killer in my opinion. I have fun against him because he has chase potential :)
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@Carlosylu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/815221#Comment_815221
Ok, then I guess I'm one of the few players who actually have fun against and as spirit
That’s great, glad you have fun against her :) as long as you understand that most survivor mains do not like going against her because of lack of counterplay.
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@Carlosylu said:
Freddy main (killer) and Nea + Steve mains (survivors). Red ranks in both roles, xbox, I play 6/10 games as killer
When I'm spirit I do get to play against good survivors (I DO NOT dodge lobbies) in purple and red ranks and get from 2 - 4 kills per game.
When I'm a survivor and go against a red rank spirit (unless it's the school girl skin with glowing head who is a god tier gamer on Xbox) I survive 1/2 games.
For me, in purple and red ranks, spirit is fine. The only thing I'd change is Prayer Beads, that addon is actually pretty buffed (not OP)
This is not a post about balance. I survive against Spirit, too, but I dont have fun.
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@Rin_is_my_waifu said:
"I would like to state now that I am a killer main"
And here you are, confirming my point exactly. I am a killer main, all p3 bar Nurse and Myers. Don’t want to believe that Spirit is unfun? Then you are the problem.
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@GrootDude said:
I say she is ok from a survivor perspective so swapping the roles wouldn’t mean much for me.
This is aimed at those who deny that survivors aren’t having fun. I know you like playing against her, but majority don’t, I’m trying to teach the Spirit mains that deny her power is unfun for most survivors some empathy.
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TO ALL PEOPLE THAT THINK SPIRIT IS OK IN HER CURRENT STATE
Imagine that the roles are reversed, when a survivor activates their power every 15 seconds they can go invisible, leave no way of tracking but know exactly where you (the killer) is because of sound, grass, corn etc. Now imagine if this happened at every loop, for every survivor. You wouldn’t want to play. Now imagine this happened more often in red ranks, every few games, or multiple consecutive games in a row. You wouldn’t like GUESSING where the survs go every chase, would you? Now that you have read this, please tell me how, as killer, you would counter the survivors?
Now switch the roles back.
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I don’t know why I read all of this, it was a dumb post to begin with tbh. You don’t want survs to wait until the timer is close to ending? force them out, or go afk for 1 minute. The collapse is 2 minutes, hardly any time at all yet people like you still complain. Just take the loss and don’t think twice about it. Simple, next time think before you post because this just makes you look silly and impatient.
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@woundcowboy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/811676#Comment_811676
Yea... a standard part of any pvp game. Survivors should just be able to enforce safe loops with no guess? Doesn’t seem fun or skillful to me.
So, you were claiming it to not be a guessing game, now you agree it is, you can dodge a Huntress hatchet very easily, you can tell when a killer hides their red stain most of the time so it is not as much of a guessing game as you say other killers are. When 86% (Scott’s poll) and devs claiming she ‘overperforms’, you are refusing blatant facts at this point. I’m more of a killer main before you start yelling ‘SURVIVOR MAIN’ and Spirit is unhealthy, much like gen rush, keys, moris and insta downs.
From reading each of your responses it is clear that you arent even willing to accept another point of view because you still think that guessing is counterplay. It is not. Not. Not. I repeat...NOT counterplay. Go ahead, convince me guessing is counterplay. I’m willing to listen and change my pov.
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Yes it has, you must be getting bad luck. I had 2 Freddy games in a row and 2 GF games in a row on it. Didn’t get i much to begin with, but then I started getting it alot.
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just got disconnected from another match. You’re right about that too.
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I think i’ll look into my monitor more, but i dont think it will help, i may consider getting a newer model but I don’t think a 2017 model should be having issues.
Thanks.
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I have experimented fully and I have a 2017 model. I have tested brightness, sharpness etc all these things but I still only have problems on Badham.