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Well, you're right. I'll swap them. Thanks
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@Ulti84 said:
Bubba is my main and in my opinion he should be right in the middle of the pack.
It's true that he is way better using certain addons, and I also play Bamboozle (for obvious reasons), and you can also ######### up using the chainsaw wrong,
but I would always pick a Bubba over a Trickster, a Singularity or a Doctor.
Since you should assume you play the correct addons and perks when using a Killer. And in this case, Bubba for me feels more powerful than the 3 others mentioned.
But it's your Tierlist :).
Thanks for your input.
My objective is to take everyone's opinion in consideration, especially when it comes to killers I don't play that often or at all. For me it's way more fun to create a list like this :)
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@Xernoton said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3648280#Comment_3648280
I see your point regarding Nemesis in comparison to Doctor and Demogorgon as well. Both of them are a bit more consistent but Doctor on a big map with space to Shift + W is pretty rough. Nemesis has the upper hand in so far that Shift + W can only work as long as the survivors have enough health states. Pre drop against him and he walks right through.
His early game is indeed pretty rough but I have seen great success with Lethal Pursuer and sometimes Corrupt Intervention. Both of these perks can help him get going before the survivors can really make a lot of progress and once he does get going, he becomes a pretty hard to play around and to beat. His zombies also offer a bit of information and can be quite handy at times.
Maybe it's just that my own confidence with Doctor has taken a dent. I have lost some games feeling like there was absolutely nothing I could do. But I do think it gives Nemesis the upper hand despite his inconsistencies. Of course there isn't one correct order though, as any tier list is always influenced by its creator's opinions.
For Bubba it is true that he is quite addon dependent but with the right addons (and he has a handful of good ones) he becomes quite fearsome. I just can't see him that low. Especially since Singularity has pretty much the same issue. Without Soma Family Photo and Coup de Grâce he really isn't that impressive. I did the math a while ago and simply holding Shift + W will let you outrun Singularity's overclock mode even when all 4 survivors are slip streamed. You don't need to vault or drop any pallets either.
Let me know what you think.
The take on Singularity was on point. The thing for me is that SIngularity with the best addons is very powerful, to a point where Cocolatte (if i'm not mistaken) reached a 200+ winstreak on him (and it's still going), which is good proof of his potential. But, like you said, his basekit is kinda mediocre. So I found B+ as a good balanced spot. Bubba with best addons is a good killer, but will still struggle on pallet and window dense maps (more than Sigularity). But I guess others above him will also struggle... So I might go for some changes. Still cooking it up, hahaha. Thanks.
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@CompleatBeet said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/405032/dbd-killer-tierlist-7-5-0
I mostly agree, but a couple things I'd change personally:
- I'd move Spirit down to A Tier, Nurse and Blight are far more consistent in my opinion, but I'd still keep her 3rd place, just don't think she's on the same tier as Nurse and Blight
- I don't think Billy's A Tier, B+ is a more fitting spot IMO. Once Survivors understand how to play against the new Billy I imagine he'll become a bit tougher to play.
- Dredge is too low IMO, B- or B+ would be more fitting
- Onryo has since received 4 buffs since 7.5.0, I'd put her a tier higher
- Clown is too high for me, he should be in the lowest tier IMO
Will make that change on Spirit.
Billy B tier is a difficult pill to swallow, but it's indeed good to wait and see how effectivelly people will be able to counter him.
Will think about the rest. Thanks!
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@Xernoton said:
Personally I'd swap Billy and Plague. Billy is pretty strong for sure but he still has some trouble with maps and his addons aren't all that impressive either. Plague on the other hand can become pretty nasty. She leaves everyone broken with little to nothing they can do (other than cleanse) and the only way to heal against her, gives her arguably the strongest chase power in the game. A good Plague will hit you almost everywhere. If you decide not to cleanse, then she can proxy camp to force it (otherwise you won't get the unhook). Plague also has the better addons by far.
I'd put Dredge at least before Demo as well. Everything Demo does, Dredge does in better. He doesn't need to set up porals but has his mobility right off the bat and can go to places he hasn't been before. His anti loop is also better. Sure, Demogorgon can get a pallet out of the way quickly but Dredge can force you into hit or scenarios around any slightly secluded loop.
Bubba is a solid B-tier canditate in my opinion. He has one of the strongest chase abilities in the game and with the right set of addons a good Bubba can down you for the mistake of giving him the pallet side around a loop. That's pretty strong and a lot more than the other B- tier killers have to offer. It also makes up for his lack of mobility pretty well and he can also counter popular survivor strategies like pre drop, Shift + W.
Nemesis is probably also better than Doctor. If you can get out of tier 1 early, there are not many ways to hold you back. Pallets get decimated and you get some pretty nasty hits as well. They don't injure survivors from the beginning but it definitely puts him before Doctor, who has real trouble playing around dropped pallets and needs to break many of them. Doctor has the better addons but you will pretty much always have to bring Discipline, a range addon or both.
Perhaps you could also swap Chucky and Wesker. Both are pretty similar in strength but I think Wesker has the upper hand thanks to his secondary ability, which gives him a bit of slowdown and information. His power also has a way shorter cooldown.
First of all, thanks for your input.
Good points on Plague, Billy, Wesker and Chucky. Plague is probably my best killer and I know how nasty she can get. I still believe that she gets nasty mostly because of her addons, on top of having a bit of inconsistencies with her fountains. But I will probably make those changes regardless.
I think Dredge is very inconsistent as I stated before. And Bubba is too reliant on Chillis + Engravings and Baboozle to work. His basekit is really underwhelming, he doesn't have any major mobility and the anti-camp mechanic + reassurance doesn't really allow him to play into his best strenghts imo. But I do think he's still decent.
Nemesis can be strong, but I think his early game is quite bad in many scenarios. I even think there's a reason why Nemesis players are known to be the most agressive tunnelers lol, by the time they have a strong working power, gens will be advanced. So, if you consider inconsistent zombies, bad addons, vaccines, 3 hits in order to down, rough early game... I can't really see him moving up to B tier.
Doctor and Demo can have rough games aswell, I just think they are more consistent that Dredge and Nemesis. That being said, they're not that different in terms of strenght at all.
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@BlightedDolphin said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3647642#Comment_3647642
Are you going to share the revised tier list with us later? I’m interested to see how it looks after everyone’s feedback
Surely :) It was a nice experience talking to you guys. I'll soon post it again!
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@Ulti84 said:
Well it's your Tier List, everyone may have a different opinion...
But Artist and Huntress should not be A Tier in my opinion.
Huntress is a very map dependant Killer and she has 110% movement speed only.
And Artist ... well.. in my opinion she can't do much.. sniping in long range is basically luck, and her anti-loop is not that strong.
And I personally value Bubba and Clown a bit higher than you did, because they have an insta-down mechanic which has to be respected. Yes, they are not very mobile and have issues at some loop spots, but at least you can sometimes threaten instadown. Singularity, for example, feels like a basic M1 Killer in many situations.
Myers also has instadown, but he needs too long to activate it. I agree that he is considered a weak killer.
About Huntress, I kinda agree. She is not that consistent throughout the maps, but still, she's a killer that can down even good survivors in seconds, on top of having very good common addons. She can also camp and eat endurance really effectively, so all things considered I think she deserves the bottom of A tier.
About Artist, I main her and believe me, she is incredibly strong. Also, you have huge winstreaks on her (367 by Dashy, 220 S4ninha, and 80+ by me but I never took it very seriously lol), that's a solid testemony of her strenght imo. I do believe that when It comes to her, it is indeed a matter of knowing how to use her power. Watch S4ninha, she is currently the #1 Artist, seeing her play will probably change your mind. I think she's with no doubt an A tier killer, but opinions can vary on wheter she's an A+ or A-. I personaly think she's top 4, but I could be biased. Wouldn't mind moving her down If think others can outperform her. I put her there mostly because of her strong basekit :P
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@DBD78 said:
I would put Hag in B- or C she only benifits from people not being used to counter her. Hag today is not a very good killer.
Nice to see people are waking up to the fact that Dredge is weak and frustrating. Should get buffs.
I've been playing Hag since 2020, and as much as I agree that she is not that good nowadays, I still think she can perform really well on bad maps for killers in general and hard punish even small mistakes. Some situations against her are still pretty much game over (basement, main building and isolated hooks, indoor maps). Plus she's got nice addons and good synergy with strong m1 perks. So I think B+ is a good balance between her strenghts and weaknesses.
Dredge is just really inconsistent because locker spawns are inconsistent as they are, and when it comes to his chase it's not that hard to delay him from getting hits by just holding W. It shocks me that some very well known people place him in A/B+ tiers.
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@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/405032/dbd-killer-tierlist-7-5-0
Sadako and Pig are at least better than Clown and Ghostface. Both are around Doc, who is also upper C tier. Bubba is higher up in mid B around Demo. Wraith is in C tier.
Rest I can agree with. Just some placement switches.
Edit: sorry, I forgot arguments. I have a ton of experience in Sadako, both OG and new Sadako. On Pig, I have 2200+ hours alone.
Pig: her problems are the early game. If Piggy gets the traps out, her game delay is unrivaled by any killer and with the right Rng and the correct strategic input from the killer, can provide kills even without any addons or specific perks. In terms of chase, with 2 addons (combat straps and medical file) stealth can be relatively decent and can result in free first hits. Ambush and especially moondash are situational. Sometimes completely useless, sometimes the best anti loop ever. All depends on knowledge and sadly the two addons I mentioned.
Onryo: 70% or addons are terrible, but arelatively consistent basekit. Strong map mobility with mori potential if played strategically correct. Chase is not very strong but similar to pig, she had build in game delay that can't be ignored. Sadako has a strong early game while Pig has the stronger slowdown. Amanda has better chase while Sadako has better mobility. Who is better now?
They are pretty close. Both are mid c tier. If played at their best (addons, player, map) , both go up to bottom B. Sadako outperforms Pig by a small amount in that regard.
Both are solid and way better than some give them credit for. I stand by that opinion based in my experience in dbd.
Bubba is only good with bamboozle and addons. Without both, his anti loop potential is really bad. With both equipped, some flick bubbas can make almost every loop a death trap. That deserves a spot near, if not one spot above demo.
Wraith struggles alot against coordinated teams and his ambush anti loop is extremely lack luster without certain addons.
Good points overall. I'll be moving Onryo and Pig up. Thanks!
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@BlightedDolphin said:
I would put Trickster in B+ or at least swap him with Doctor.
I also think Deathslinger is a little too high. While he can be very good if you land your shots, one missed shot can lead to you losing the entire game. He’s way too inconsistent for me to say he is B+ tier.
I think Knight should be lower now that people have started to learn how to abuse the guard’s AI.
And this is probably bias, but as a Ghostface main I personally believe he is very underrated and would put him in B tier.
Overall though, this is probably the most reasonable tier list I’ve seen on here.
Ok, I see your point with Trickster and Knight, I'll probably make those changes.
Now, Deathslinger is in an appropriate spot imo, mostly because I can't see any killers bellow him to be any better overall, and from my experience I don't think it's that punitive to miss shots. Good chase, good synergy with the strongest m1 perks, very high skill ceiling (many cheeky shots available). Deseves a bottom B+.
Now, what makes you think Ghostface is B tier? Would you mind explaining? I don't play him a lot, but I think him being a purely m1 killer that gets hurt by coordination more than others (cuz you can constantly reveal him) limits him to that placement.
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@JeanGreyarea said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/405032/dbd-killer-tierlist-7-5-0
Is hillbilly really that strong?
I think so. His basekit is very strong now and his addons just add up to it. Overdrive and not having significant cooldowns to pretty much anything allows him to either get quick downs or create deadzones really fast. That on top of having amazing map pressure and good synergy with slowdown perks closes the deal for top 5 imo.
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@GeneralV said:
I'd put Freddy above Trapper, at least.
I think his mobility gives him a small advantage here. It is barely there, but it does exist.
Fair enough, I'll switch them up. Thanks for the input.
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I don't think Billy is S tier simply because some maps are quite rough for him (Indoors and window dense maps such as Badham). But it's something to consider as more evidence shows up. Now for Pinhead I kinda agree, I was dwellig between bottom A and top B+, I'll probably switch it up.
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@Raz_ said:
Survivors are not allowed to use DS, unbreakable, OoO etc
but I AM allowed to use insta downs, moris, every single strong perk possible and the reasoning is "im the power role"
so you tell me.. ME who has to deal with
-potatoe teammates
-Dedicated servers, hitboxes, bloodlust
-unsafe pallets in every corner, dead ends
-insta downs, moris, strong killer perks
even tho i need to deal with more things then you can imagine its a ######### move when i bring strong perks?
BUT "survivor playing is so easy LMAO TROLOLOL"
yeah its very easy especially when you get dedi hits in every corner. go play soloQ with potatoes and lets meet again.
you dont want people to complain about your noed and mori then you also shouldnt complain about some solo survivors bring some perks to survive longer because they dont wanna get tunneled at the beginning of the match.
killers bad they are hiting me how cruel doctor op plz nerf 😭😭😭