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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3984827#Comment_3984827
Last reply to you, since I dont really want to repeat myself and stay with the opinion that you can just close the Endgame Chat. Yes, BHVR should (and they do!) ban for things which go over the line, but the first protection is always what you can do. And since you refuse to do it, I dont know what to say to be honest.
And no, this was not about tunneling or anything, in fact the Killer in question did not tunnel at all (something which you also claim) and was quite upset about what my teammates did in the game. And since your writing style is quite similar to this person, I was just curious if it was you. Nothing more. Your response to this just indicates to me that you are also not always nice in Endgame Chat.
Again, is not the point of closing endgame chat, I started to do that.. just I've find it sad because I like to interact with people, and I feel myself very bad to having to disable it because I feel so vulnerable and not protected by behaviour, which is the authority here.
I don't know what you find "not so nice" about my answers that you might think that, I think I'm being very respectfull, and I even apologized if you misunderstood something, but ok.. and I was not claiming that it was for tunneling, just wondering.
Wish you best!
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3984806#Comment_3984806
I hate the freedom excuse. Freedom isn't real. There are always social taboos and laws. If people could be cool, we wouldn't need them. But we can't, so we do.
It's really a bummer how friendly the whole gaming sphere can be. It's so disappointing when I want to complaint someone or thank them for helping me and I can't even message them because of their settings. I can just play a single player or against bots if no one wants to interact positively.
That's the whole point.. I just don't want to turn off chat because I'm afraid of getting insults.. I want to interact with people and say "fun match", "you played so well guys" and something like that.. because is what I'm used to say. If a team beats me because they were better, I want to say ggs to them and tell them how good they are..
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3984816#Comment_3984816
Oh, I was just asking with my latest paragraph. But your reactions indicates to me that you are also not always nice in Endgame Chat if you come at me with that when I simply asked a question.
You are accusming me of exaggerating, calling my behaviour "strange" because I want to chat nicely with people, or even saying that I'm not being nice in game.. and I'm the one who is not nice when I'm only asking for respect basically..? Sorry if you missunderstood anything of what I said, but I answered everything very nice, and I told you I wasn't that Sadako, or if your question was about doing something to upset someone.. what do you mean? Like tunneling or something? No, I don't do that, and, again, as I told you, even if someone does that, that is in the game.. that is not a reason to insult anybody or harass.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
First of all, BHVR bans for things like that, if they are too much. You dont even need to write a Support Ticket, an ingame report is enough.
Seconds, the solution to disable Endgame Chat is not bad or anything. You have a way to not have to bother with those Comments, so use it. Yes, ideally you should not have to do that, but you have to do it and you can do it. Not doing it is kind of strange IMO.
And third you are probably exaggerating or not being very nice when playing, from my own experience I dont really encounter toxic Behavior too much, but it usually happens if someone gets upset about anything which another player has been done. Sure, sometimes those are very insignificant things, but sometimes being upset can be valid. So are you doing anything special that you get negative Endgame Chats that often?
And unrelated - could it be possible that we played against each other yesterday? Have you played as Anon Sadako on Forgotten Ruins yesterday evening/yesterday night? Against a team which let Survivors go to second Hook Stage? Just curious, since you are writing very similar to that person I faced yesterday. EU-Servers.I did reported a lot of people and I never saw anyone get banned, or almost anyone in more than 2 years, so, yeah, I think a Ticket is necesary.
Strange for not disabling the endgame chat? As I said, in a videogame, I want to make friends, and that kind of behaviour shouldn't be allowed.
And I'm not exaggerating, if you got a good experience overall, I'm happy for you, but don't accuse me of that, or even liying of what I am saying, because I'm talking about something very serious who everyone should support, because is not good for anyone. For real you want to keep people unbanned for saying "die" "get cancer", etc? That''s what I find kinda strange, ngl.
And no, I didn't played yesterday, and I even if someone camps or whatever, is a strategy of the game.. or do you find that a reason to wish him to die irl for killing you in a videogame which his rol is to kill you?
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@Nazzzak said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3984773#Comment_3984773
"and that the company won’t do anything"
But they won't. If you've been playing since 2016 then you'd know that. The crap OP is dealing with is unacceptable, but when have you ever seen people come to the forums or on social media complaining that they've been permanently banned because of endgame chat? Maybe it happens but I'm yet to see it. If someone was telling me repeatedly to unalive myself or get cancer or be assaulted, etc etc, that would wear on my mental health badly. I can see it's wearing on OP badly. So yes, removing yourself from ingame communications *is* a perfectly reasonable course of action. Because we might be waiting another 10 years for the company to crack down on this stuff, and what would help OP in the meantime?
Well, if the company doesn't do anything, that's why I'm posting this.. to try to change this, so, for that, we need to get many votes up as possible, so maybe they hear us..
@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3984791#Comment_3984791
The gulf between "you play like trash" and "you should go die" is rather large, my guy. "Everyone should be able to say whatever they like, whenever they like, wherever they like" is the world's most unnuanced take. Even free speech has legal restrictions. Harassing people, hate speech, and threats can get you fired from your job or even arrested in the real world, so you shouldn't be able to type "#########" in something as trivial as a video game and get away with it.
You are such a lovely guy.. and you have a lot of common sense.. "freedom"? Like, what are you talking about? Insult or harass someone shouldn't be allowed, and, in fact, as you said, it isn't irl, and, somehow, people are defending this to be in the game.. and, again, the solution is not to just disable endgame chat, because I want to meet lovely people like you. Yes, call me weird if you want, but, I want to make FRIENDS in a VIDEOGAME, and not expect to get harassed almost every match.
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Thank you so much, finally someone else who understands my point
@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3984757#Comment_3984757
She literally said she's getting insults about the very things you mentioned. Telling people to go back to the kitchen or to die is crossing social lines.
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@BbQz said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/454030/please-behaviour-listen-to-this
You play on PC because you enjoy the freedom that it gives you.. but complain about others enjoying that freedom as well? Just play on console if you cant bring your self not to close the in game chat... Your social anxiety is unfortunate not anyone problem but your own and hopefully your therapist. And I saying this from a very kind place the internet is already a terrible place riddled with censorship and voids of silence because people fear the back lash of talking at all already we don't need a removal of our in-game chat system here as well. Or some AI to autobans people
What are you talking about of censorship or "think of the children"? Or freedom? I'm just asking about I don't want to get words like "die" "I'm gonna ######### you" "I hope you and all your family gets cancer" like.. are you for real deffending this? This shouldn't be allowed ANYWHERE. The solution is not only ignore and close chat, because this people shouldn't be allowed to chat in the first place, it doesn't matter if I have a social anxiety or not… You told me to get a therapist but you should maybe got one as well for deffending this kind of violence in the internet.
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@Angel97x said:
Honestly, what I’m reading here is just pathetic. That only 1% is toxic, that people enjoy the trash talking, that the solution to not being harassed, insulted, and threatened is to completely isolate yourself from the game’s social environment, and that the company won’t do anything—what kind of nonsense is this? I’ve been playing this game since 2016, we all know the kind of community we have (just look at the balance discussions), and obviously it’s the company that MUST take action. Enough of defending this crap.
@I_Cant_Loop said:
BHVR either needs to start banning people for chat abuse or just eliminate the chat feature altogether. I agree that keeping in the game is a huge contributor to the toxicity problem. Most people do not have the discipline to disable it themselves. I’ve never seen any action taken against people I have reported for chat abuse, even for vile things like suggesting I off myself, wishing terminal illness on my family or racial slurs. The amount of benefit for keeping the chat feature is far, far outweighed by the amount of toxicity it facilitates.
Exactly.. and you can see how toxic is this community that I'm even getting down votes in THIS.. like people are deffending THIS, people who told you to die, your entire family, and a lot more of ######### things.. this is completly ridiculous.
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@BorisDDAA said:
I used to SWF with a friend from NA servers and the toxicity was way less than in EU.
Yeah, I've heard that a lot, and I wish I was from NA haha
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I know turning off the chat is an option, but as I am in a videogame, I'd like to make friends here.. and if companies like Blizzard do ban people for insulting and arassing, why behaviour doesn't? Who enjoys being insulted? A lot of people even told me to rap me or kill me.. and as I said, this happens A LOT.. seriously, why keep this?
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I did a post of this a couple of months ago, and I remember that you even commented on it.. and they are still no news on her.. the worst part is, even if you make the miracle of making someone fully condemn, if they have a tape, they can deliver it on your face with that ridiculous one second deliver animation, because your m1 recover is slower than that.. is unplayable on high mmr, because there is no downside on pick up tapes on survivor side.. at least on 1.0 we had the passive condemn.. but now? Is totally free.. in top of that being a completly m1 on chase, probably the worst killer in the game in terms of chase power.. I hope they make her playable again soon.
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@ad19970 said:
I played 4 matches with him so far and he still seems perfectly fine to me. His pallet vault speed in enraged mode is still fast, allowing you to still get hits in in certain situations. Perhaps it's still a tad too good, but it's too early to say for me yet.
The cooldown nerf after him breaking pallets is certainly noticeable, but in my opinion that was a good nerf. Now survivors have some chance to getting to some other resource, which in my opinion is only fair. Once he gets his power back though he still catches up to survivors extremely effectively. Sure his downing potential isn't quite as good anymore, but I think that's only fair for a killer with as much mobility as Kaneki, and for a killer that can injure as easily as he can.
A good nerf for a killer who has to down you with m1 with no chase power?
Singularity has better map control, and a ridiculous chase power with no cooldown, what Kaneki has to down you in a decent map like Azarov against decent survivors?
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I agree 100%.. Him was fun at the start, and not as strong as the people always said.. he had a first free hit, yes, but was an m1 killer after that.. yes, he had a good catch up with the power, but Nemesis do that better and can down you with the power.. vault the pallet? Wesker can do it too.. and again, Wesker can down you with his power.
I paid for this killer and the legendary cosmetic just to get killed in what.. two months?
He was fun and that's all.. him was not even close as Nurse, Blight, Singularity, Spirit, Billy, Dracula.. because he was an m1 killer after first hit.
What people want, every killer as m1 and get bullied in a decent map?
The only ones who can cry to this killer was the braindead people who just liked to hold W.. the most boring thing in this game.
I hope they revert all the nerfs and brim him back his original state.
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Besides of buffs which is a great idea, I'd like her condemn to be more like with a skill with your chase power, like, you condemn them at the time you chase them, so it would be a more fun way to play her, and everything will be on you, and not on survivors controlling your power, and they way they do which is an absurd easy way to do it.
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@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3914492#Comment_3914492
No. She wasn't a good chaser back then. She never was. She had mobility yes. But mobility = strong chase. If blight could not attack after a rush he would be similar to what sadako was back then. Sadako still has one of the best mobility powers in the game. You just have to fight for it compared to her first iteration, where condemned was so weak that survivors generally ignored tvs alltogether. Now that condemned is strong, survivors can't ignore tvs. Thats logical to me.
The auras I can get by…
TP to a TV that is turned off? Yes with a drawback though. If you TP to a turned off TV, NOTHING spreads condemned. Not the tv you TP'd to and no other turned on TV. Everything else would be too much. If that's the payoff, then, yes. That would be a good change imo. Not too strong but helpful.
IRI tape was so dumb back then because it enabled to constantly spread condemn without much counter. That's why I'm against it ever making a return. It was way too strong.
I always try to be fair for both sides. Dbd is a pvp game. Therefore things need to be seen from both sides when something changes. Sadako is a very difficult killer to balance due to condemned. Small changes can, similar to good piggy, make her too strong or too weak.
I think your idea: you can TP to a TV that is turned off but spread no condemned whatsoever in the process is an ok idea that would need to be tested though. I might be wrong and it could be too strong if made basekit. But as an iri addon? Definitely fine by me and 100% worth to be tested.
Sadly we have not seen massive changes to her addons ever since she came out, soooo.... I dont get my hopes up.
Edit: I personally still want the tape insertion time to be reset to what it was. Being able to interrupt tape inserts was a good thing and a fair thing.
Agree in everything here, Sadako needs to interrumps delivering tapes and the mobility with iri addon with tv's turned off.
Those ones are minor changes that maybe will make huge differences 🙂
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@Langweilig said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3914479#Comment_3914479
„Sadako is not a chaser“ The thing is she once was very good at chasing. Not like blight but she had one of if not the best mobility abilities. You could play her very well that way.
„I feel for you and want to help you, I just don't know if I can.“ The only thing I really need is no TV auras, being able to teleport to turned off TVs and a change to her lullaby (no longer directional or/and smaller radius).
I don‘t know if you seen my suggestion for iri tape. It basically allows you to teleport to turned off TVs and turns them on after you teleported to them, but doesn‘t spread condemned when doing so. If this addon got changed like that it would be huge or if they change current iri tape that it removes TV auras and survivors can‘t interact with them would be nice as well.
If you want to help and suggest something. A addon that solves those 3 parts is all I need or they fix those things basekit. The other things I always suggest in my feedback aren‘t needed even tho I would like them. For some reason I feel like the devs listen a lot more to you than to me and others. Mandy even responded to you directly about your critic and she normally never responds to anyone about balance things.
You have very good ideas. I really like that one of be able to tp to turn off tv's, as an iri, (even if obviously they don't inflict condemn, the ones turned off I mean) because it's a disgrace that her iri addon is the meme one because disables your power..
I think only with that her could be pretty good honestly.
I have many ideas too, but I feel like they make her too opressive: Such as passive condemn, destroy the tape with a hit like the second version, but maybe without giving them stacks (or at least one) and of course bring back the "long" animation to take and deliver tapes so survivors can't deliver them that easy.. this way her could be more balanced without the need of a rework
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I don't commit a lot on chases.. I just try to down people sometimes.. I don't play her as a stelthy killer either because I know her has lullaby and they pre run me all the time.. I just try to play for condemn but as I say they do tapes and I feel like I can't do nothing.. maybe as I said I get a hit or something but nothing else.. if they play good in maps like Macmillan for me is almost impossible to do a condemn mori.. and even less a normal down chases because if they camp pixel well in jungle gyms, average pallets, or even worse, shack, I can't do anything..
@Langweilig said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3914466#Comment_3914466
The thing I feel with Sadako is like the team you play against have to make mistakes for you to win.. in chase, or for not picking tapes. You can't win most of the time because you did well
Same I want to win because I did well and not because my opponents lack knowledge on a killer and I want the mobility from her first version back, which they robbed her by forcing survivors to turn off TVs.
That‘s what I‘m suggesting to make her more fun for both sides again:
The thing I enjoyed the most about her:
When playing as her you had the best mobility (at the time) in the game and you felt like you were at all places at the same time. (This was sadly no longer possible since her first rework.) Also at the time the visual heart beat wasn‘t yet introduced, which made her stealth a lot better.
On the survivor side I loved how scary she was and therefore bought her. You were never certain where she exactly were and always feared her coming out of nowhere, be out of an TV next to you or just appearing behind a corner. The thing is her lullaby is almost not noticeable and without the visual heartbeat you didn‘t notice she was there until it was to late at a lot of times. This made her very different and exciting to face than a lot of other killers for me.
The major difference why I‘m still advocating for 1.0s design is, it discouraged taking tapes, which left your TVs online almost all of the match. Survivors only took tapes if they had to remove condemned or feared her coming out of an TV next to you. Since 2.0 and also in 3.0 survivors are forced to turn off TVs, which makes her unable to have this map traversal. The only real difference between 2.0 and 3.0 is that survivors who understand her can nullify her power and survivors who don’t understand her will get condemned insanely fast.
And I never played the first version, I started playing this game just when her second version come out, but yeah, I feel like the strongest version is the second one, but the best for both sides is the first one, because she had the strong iri addon, the mobility and the passive condemn.. still I think is weaker in the first version, but was the best.
I think the best killer of this game is someone like Dracula, who is strong, but also you can play against him, and if you win is because you played well, and has mobility, versatile chase power, and both chase power are fun to go against because you can dodge the dog and hellfire.
And there is killers like Billy or Singularity who are completly busted because if they are good you can't do anything against them.
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The thing I feel with Sadako is like the team you play against have to make mistakes for you to win.. in chase, or for not picking tapes. You can't win most of the time because you did well, is just because they played bad, that's what I find so frustrating.
I don't exactly know which changes exactly needs her.. because I wish she had a "fun" chase power like Wesker, but that's just my personal opinion.
Just.. I think now doesn't feel well to play with, at least that's what I feel, because I need survs to play mistakes, I depend on map too..
Also: Doesn't have chase power, the mobility is managed by survivors, and your power which is condemn depends on map, and again, they making mistakes..
And yes you can turn them off sometimes and prevent them to shut off your tv's, but if they are coordinated, they are going to pick all the other 3 tapes they are working on.
The thing is.. I want to win because I did it well, not because they did it bad
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@TicTac said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3914389#Comment_3914389
I have quite some experience as killer (4k hours and a good winrate so my mmr should be over the cap).
I agree with you that sadako will suffer against 4 good players. I personally counter her hard as survivor.
But she is not the second weakest killer. There are many other killer who share the same fate. You dont have a chance against 4 good survivor who dont mess up badly. But there are not that many teams like that. So there are some unwinnable matches and on some days you get three in a row, but its not the majority.
So there are many killer who would deserve buffs. And there are also killer who need nerfs. And new killer every chapter. A lot of work. But Sadako has another problem. She is also in the category"noob stomper". So even in her current state with the easy counterplay (turn off the tv next to your gen), survivor struggle a lot. And not only beginners, even decent survivor do not want to learn. So buffing and upping her pick rate would be a problem. Then she would be the next forever-Freddy, Skull merchant, Kaneki etc. A killer many play, but is hated by survivors. Not good for the game.
And the stats/facts are important, but player feelings are also a deciding factor. Thats why we had nerfs which do only a bit to the strength of the killer, but decrease the pick rate by a lot. Bc if almost nobody plays them, its not a big problem anymore. If Singularity would become popular, a lot of survivor would complain and he would get nerfed.
Tldr: Sadako is fine in normal matches. A top-level-sadako would do more harm than good to the game, bc she destroys weak players. A completely new power could work, but then you can just play a different high-tier-killer.
I agree 100% with you, is a huge noob stomper, and you are not facing good teams everytime, I just say this is to let behaviour know that this is not a good state for her, and I'm not asking for buffs because as you said will be annoying for the survivor to play against, that's why I said it needs a total rework with a total different power, and yes I play another killers, but I'm just asking for this because I feel sad that the character because I played this game wich I love from the movies and novels is in this awful state (even more because on lore she must be one of the strongest 😅)
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If you say you rarely lose, I'm just so surprised, because I can't win more than five in a row with this last second rework.
I try to punish them as you say chasing the ones who has a tape, but, usually I got the comp Ace or Nea which just pre run when they hear my lullaby to a decent loop (and I talk now in decent maps like Azarov and Macmillan) and it takes to me like a minute to get a hit, and if I drop chase and I go to chase someone else, they just heal and go back to repair, and if the other survivors are decent aswell I got the same. It's always the same, they pick a tape, maybe I get one hit, and maybe I try to go for condemn, but guess what, the other survivors turned off their tv's aswell, so I don't get a down and I don't get anything basically.
So I can't understand how you get a 4 gen condemn if they are competitive, because it happens what I just said, it's impossible.
And I forgot to mention what you said before that she has the best mobility, and I have to disagree again. Because survivors can remove your mobility, and there is Hillbilly wich has better mobility all game and instadown, there is also Dracula, Ghoul, (with first free hit) Blight with the second most strong anti loop in the game, etc…
If you like this version of Sadako it's ok, but I'm not talking about if I like her or not, I'm talking about that if you get a strong survivors in a decent map you will be destroyed and you can't do nothing about it.
All you have to do is look for comp teams againts Sadako, or 1v1's against her (some of that videos are even 7 minutes chases)
And I saw the world record holder Onepumpwillie loosing with very average teams aswell.
So, again, it's ok if you like the way she is, but what I am saying are facts, and a killer like this can't be in the game who the survivors control all your power and you can't do anything about it.
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First of all, if you get a mori every match, I'm sorry, but you are not at high level, or you are in one of her best maps, because condemn is the easiest thing to avoid, just pick a tape, and chill repairing, and you can go traveling and shuting down tv's and deliver your tape removing your condemn, and her mobility in the process.
Even tho if you got the miracle of puting someone on full condemn, it will cost you like 2 gens to down him if they are efficient, because you don't have power chase at all, and at this point, the game is pretty much over.
And I'm not saying I never have any tv's, I have some, but if they pick their tapes on their gens, my tv's are useless because they don't inflict condemn and I have to travel to their gen with the turn off tv and they will prerun because Sadako have a nonesense lullaby.
If you say that is your experience, I can't say more, but, again, when you face really good teams, you are gonna be powerless.