Behaviour allows soft cheat

as long as i play this game Developers says communication programs on game isnt cheat but 3 party programs are cheat? which one is okay? there are no voice communication on this game ? there are no proper anti cheat too why cant be use macros or other programs but can voice communication ? arent they all same? i know trolls and develeopers dont like this but truth is turth

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  • This is a common problem in gaming and game balancing. It's not unique to BHVR, and there is no way to disable voice comms on such games short of very invasive detection software. Even then it wouldn't stop people from running discord on their phone or something else, and would greatly diminish attraction of the game to people if they cannot play with their friends.

    There's not really much that can be done about this. Communication is overpowered, evolution tells us as much, but there's no real way to adjust games like this for that feature.

  • @NeverSolus said:

    This is a common problem in gaming and game balancing. It's not unique to BHVR, and there is no way to disable voice comms on such games short of very invasive detection software. Even then it wouldn't stop people from running discord on their phone or something else, and would greatly diminish attraction of the game to people if they cannot play with their friends.

    There's not really much that can be done about this. Communication is overpowered, evolution tells us as much, but there's no real way to adjust games like this for that feature.

    so you mean if they can fight they allow it ? there are much way againist it but i bet they dont care it as long as they earn money from it think

  • @Xristougenna said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4114821#Comment_4114821

    so you mean if they can fight they allow it ? there are much way againist it but i bet they dont care it as long as they earn money from it think

    I mean the only way they could fight it, invasive detection software, would make a great deal of people uninstall their game outright. And even that wouldn't stop it. It's a lost war. Kind of like trying to vacuum the water off your driveway in a storm - what's the point? Yeah you may mitigate something, but it's ultimately a waste of energy and effort.

  • 2026 and people still think that Voice Chat is cheating.

    Even IF the Devs would do something that things like Discord or Teamspeak are detected and people would not use it, what do you think will happen? All the casual SWFs will just quit. They want to play and chat with their friends, BHVR would make that impossible, so they would have no reason to play DBD.

    Meanwhile, sweaty SWFs would keep playing, because they would go out of their way to have communication (e.g. using their phones). Great Job, you now really only have sweaty SWFs and also killed a large portion of the playerbase.

    Let alone that Consoles have built-in voicechat, which BHVR would not be able to do anything about.

    EDIT:
    Let alone that all of your Discussions are about Discord and they start back in 2022 (!!). At some point, you really need to stop and accept that you are wrong.

    @Xristougenna said:

    I have a question about discord teams, i know its nice to play with friends thats ok but discord communication isnt part of this game so its clearly wrotten at EULA, thus should illegal but almost every SWF play by this way, i can understand developers looking for more cash but this break gameplay experience and giving really unfairly adventage to swf.

    Are developers going to do something or like every final stage games "you can do anything as long as you pay ?"

    @Xristougenna said:

    Hello, i wanna ask about something. Are we able to use kind of softwares while playing for better gameplay experience?

    @Xristougenna said:

    Hello, i am curious, developers are balancing the game but i think there are still big problem like discord and SWF why do people need 3nd party softwares for play? And doesnt it give slightly adventages to swfs? and solo queue disadventage? why developer doesnt directly add voice communication in game?

    @Xristougenna said:

    Before cheat supporters vomit their fears losing unfair adventage here i drop this !

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/N6OHAB442CMY/image.png

    also developers accept here 3rd party softwares are cheat but some we allow!!!! So ask yourself those before whine.

    Unfair adventage allowed?

    Communication softwares gives unfair adventage ?

    as George Orwell says: “ All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. ”

    @Xristougenna said:

    According to Developers its not unfair, but what does community thinks? its 3nd party programand not part of game, please only who play without it can answer?

  • Topic: it's impossible to actually stop it from happening, BHVR has said repeatedly they are okay with it if not outright supportive, a hypothetical about what the game would be like with no communication is cool to think about and all, but its not possible that would ever be implemented.

    @Aven_Fallen said:

    2026 and people still think that Voice Chat is cheating.

    Even IF the Devs would do something that things like Discord or Teamspeak are detected and people would not use it, what do you think will happen? All the casual SWFs will just quit. They want to play and chat with their friends, BHVR would make that impossible, so they would have no reason to play DBD.

    Meanwhile, sweaty SWFs would keep playing, because they would go out of their way to have communication (e.g. using their phones). Great Job, you now really only have sweaty SWFs and also killed a large portion of the playerbase.

    Let alone that Consoles have built-in voicechat, which BHVR would not be able to do anything about.

    EDIT:
    Let alone that all of your Discussions are about Discord and they start back in 2022 (!!). At some point, you really need to stop and accept that you are wrong.

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/349370/swf-and-discord

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/361871/3nd-party-softwares

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/362852/unfair-play

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/365805/behaviour-allows-cheat-in-game

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/381375/do-you-think-discord-swf-unfair

    Maybe just a few more posts will change people's minds.

    Meanwhile, sweaty SWFs would keep playing, because they would go out of their way to have communication (e.g. using their phones).

    Ah, back to the 90s/2000s for gaming.

  • cheats are same even 2002 or 2026 is it matter behavioyr says 3 party programs and which gives adventage to player is cheat ? so i dont think thiey they speak about fantasies tells informations about other players!

    if its legal then add vice communication on games
    cheat is cheat you can look my past no matter

  • @Xristougenna said:

    cheats are same even 2002 or 2026 is it matter behavioyr says 3 party programs and which gives adventage to player is cheat ? so i dont think thiey they speak about fantasies tells informations about other players!

    if its legal then add vice communication on games
    cheat is cheat you can look my past no matter

    It is not a Cheat. The Devs have said (even before you started opening Threads) that Voice Communication is no Cheat.

    There are several reasons against ingame Voice Chat. You can use the Search function to find them. But, to make it short:

    • Language Barriers
    • Slurs
    • Would kill the game for Streamers if it is balanced around everyone having VC (you cannot have VC as a Streamer, since you might rish losing your Twitch Account)
    • There are already alternatives, so there would be no reason for people to use ingame voice chat
    • Immersion (not everyone wants to talk to others, but those people would be at a severe disadvantage if the game would be balanced around the 4 Survivors being able to communicate all the time)
  • Aven_Fallen

    you says devs said they would do anything for money!!!!!

    guess why devs need to explain something like this?

    and if its okay why they dont add something like this on game i wanna play alone and speak with other survivors ?

    doesnt this give adventage to swfs?

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4114841#Comment_4114841

    It is not a Cheat. The Devs have said (even before you started opening Threads) that Voice Communication is no Cheat.

    There are several reasons against ingame Voice Chat. You can use the Search function to find them. But, to make it short:

    • Language Barriers
    • Slurs
    • Would kill the game for Streamers if it is balanced around everyone having VC (you cannot have VC as a Streamer, since you might rish losing your Twitch Account)
    • There are already alternatives, so there would be no reason for people to use ingame voice chat
    • Immersion (not everyone wants to talk to others, but those people would be at a severe disadvantage if the game would be balanced around the 4 Survivors being able to communicate all the time)

    I suspect this person did not come here to be convinced into thinking comms aren't cheating.

  • Aven_Fallen

    wow really great reason you can make it personal choice not that hard !!!

    • Language Barriers
    • Slurs
    • Would kill the game for Streamers if it is balanced around everyone having VC (you cannot have VC as a Streamer, since you might rish losing your Twitch Account)
    • There are already alternatives, so there would be no reason for people to use ingame voice chat
    • Immersion (not everyone wants to talk to others, but those people would be at a severe disadvantage if the game would be balanced around the 4 Survivors being able to communicate all the time)
  • @GentlemanFridge said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4114845#Comment_4114845

    I suspect this person did not come here to be convinced into thinking comms aren't cheating.

    Sadly I have the habit to think that human beings can be reasoned with.

    @Xristougenna said:

    Aven_Fallen

    you says devs said they would do anything for money!!!!!

    guess why devs need to explain something like this?

    and if its okay why they dont add something like this on game i wanna play alone and speak with other survivors ?

    doesnt this give adventage to swfs?

    I gave you a bunch of reasons already. Read them. Understand them.

    guess why devs need to explain something like this?

    Because people like you dont understand that Voice Communication in 2026 (and even back in 2016 already) is just normal for a game.

    doesnt this give adventage to swfs?

    Communication is not the reason why SWFs are better than Solos (even if this is not even strictly the case). But reducing Teammate RNG is the reason, if you have 4 good players in a SWF, you have always 4 good players playing together. This just does not happen in SoloQ, there is variance in SoloQ, you might have 4 good players, or you have 1 good player and 3 bad ones.

    And I would even argue that 4 good Solos without Comms are better than 4 bad players in Comms. And I am a firm believer that if you put the same 4 players in a game without Voice Chat and then in one with Voice Chat, that the result would be roughly the same.

    And last but not least: 99% of SWFs dont use Voice Chat to have the highest chance to win in the game. They use Voice Chat because they want to play and chat with friends.

  • Aven_Fallen

    • Language Barriers
    • Slurs
    • Would kill the game for Streamers if it is balanced around everyone having VC (you cannot have VC as a Streamer, since you might rish losing your Twitch Account)
    • There are already alternatives, so there would be no reason for people to use ingame voice chat
    • Immersion (not everyone wants to talk to others, but those people would be at a severe disadvantage if the game would be balanced around the 4 Survivors being able to communicate all the time)

    all of them happen in forum too why do you allow forums then ???

  • i dnt say my own idea developers says " 3. party programs which does give adventage to player arent allowed" am i wrong ?

  • Instant Information Sharing
    Bypassing In-Game Design Limitations
    Precise Timing and Synergy
    Nullifying Perks and Mechanics
    Eliminating Teammate RNG
    Role Specialization and Synergy
    Wasted Killer Time
    Bully Squad Potential
    Map Control and Split Pressure
    Tracking Killer Perks
    Erasing Mental Exhaustion
    Item and Resource Pooling

    Aven_Fallen

    arent such adventages comes with discord?????
    can solo survivors have such adventages ??????

  • You clearly are not even reading any of my posts, since you repeat the same nonsense arguments again and again. Just keep opening the same thread for another 6 years, it will surely help.

  • Individual refuses to listen to reasonable arguments.

  • Buddy every multiplayer game that has ever existed use comms one way or another.

  • @Xristougenna said:

    Instant Information Sharing
    Bypassing In-Game Design Limitations
    Precise Timing and Synergy
    Nullifying Perks and Mechanics
    Eliminating Teammate RNG
    Role Specialization and Synergy
    Wasted Killer Time
    Bully Squad Potential
    Map Control and Split Pressure
    Tracking Killer Perks
    Erasing Mental Exhaustion
    Item and Resource Pooling

    Aven_Fallen

    arent such adventages comes with discord?????
    can solo survivors have such adventages ??????

    Aven_Fallen

    okay ill not say anything more, just answer are those reasons unfair adventage or not ?

  • @Xristougenna said:

    as long as i play this game Developers says communication programs on game isnt cheat but 3 party programs are cheat? which one is okay? there are no voice communication on this game ? there are no proper ancti cheat too why cant be use macros or other programs but can voice communication ? arent they all same? i know trolls and gold digger develeopers dont like this but truth is turth

    Even if the devs lost their minds and wanted to do something about comms, what exactly could they do?

    The consoles have built in chat, which it's separate from whatever game is being played, so they wouldn't know it's being used in the first place. Plus they insist any game they accept cannot mess with comms in any way. And that's more than 70% of the global playerbase right there.

    As for PC, what could they do? Ban Discord? Force installing apps and/or scanning everyone's machines?

    Ban SWF entirely? That's one of those things that would actually kill their game off. Around half of all survs overall are in some form of SWF, the vast majority in duos.

    None of this is enforceable.