I need urgent help with playing Sadako...
I need some advice from the Sadako mains, what are good playstyles and Perks for her? I don't need to 4k Mori every game or anything, but I've found that in my 2000 hours playtime Sadako is the only Killer I consistently get looped and genrushed to oblivion with. She is the only Killer I often get angry and dc when playing as her because of how helpless and frustrated I feel playing as her. Even when I lose as other Killers, those are the minority of my matches. But with Sadako I lose far more often than I win. And she was one of the very first Killers I started playing back in the beginning, so I have plenty of experience with her. I found I did the best as Sadako 1.0, and of course Sadako 2.0 I stomped (who didn't?), but now with Sadako 3.0 I am just useless. Any tips?
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Sadako main here.
Some main points I'd like to say is Sadako currently is quite weak, with how they changed tapes and TVs and how easy it is to keep her TV's deactivated if the players respect her power. Also keeping in mind she has a lullaby when demanifested that is visible with the heartbeat sensor so stealth plays are a LOT trickier to pull off. That said, she's not without her strong points. What I enjoy doing is whenever there is a gap between me and the survivor, go into demanifest. When at loops, utilize the post-manifest mindgames to try and throw them off. Good survivors can usually play around it, but there are times you can manage a hit by confusing them. Also, I suggest timing your demanifest right before getting hit by a pallet. If they throw it and you commit correctly, you don't get stunned and can break the pallet. If they greed, you can react and stop demanifesting and get a hit, so long as you win the pallet mindgame.
Also remember you're just an M1 killer at heart, and general loop knowledge is going to help you a TON since you're forced to abide by every tile. Your mindgames and unpredictable teleporting is your strong point, as long as you don't confuse yourself and lose survivor's movements. Also remember, Sadako is short, so you have the advantage at taller walls.
And remember to utilize your TVs for more than movements. Stacking condemned on survivors is your best kit slowdown, and if they have a tape they can't use their items. Even if it's to teleport to cut off a survivor in chase, any other TV's active will apply condemned stacks. Even sweeter when you manage to hook someone with 3 stacks perk hook so they can never cleanse those again.
My personal build I find a lot of success with is the following perks+addons:
Addons I run exclusively these days are:
Hopefully more Sadako mains drop their knowledge of the killer as well, but this is my personal thoughts and playstyle around her. I've gotten a ton of wins, got her to P100 and still enjoy playing her over most of the roster. If I forgot to mention anything else, I will edit this again.
P100 Onryo main. A lot to type from my phone but on my profile there’s a link to my twitch with recorded streams on my way to P100 you can watch and see my play style to get the idea. I only lost like 9 matches out of some 521 games on the way to P100 so it’s pretty effective. I give commentary on quite a few things during the matches as well.
I’ll be able to type a lot more once I’m at a computer.
Thanks, this was very insightful. Could you elaborate on the differences between Reiko's Watch, Old Newspaper and Mother's Mirror? I'm not sure which of them are useful or are good in combination with each other in regards to mindgames. Demanifest mindgames are something I've never really understood or gotten the hang of as it seems so hard to time correctly to get value out of it and I often just end up losing distance due to the slowdown. Also is the Videotape Copy add-on that increases Condemned range by 2 meters any good?
Absolutely
As far as learning manifest mindgames, if you play enough Sadako you'll notice your invisibility may throw off some survivors, double backing thinking you went around a rock or assuming you did and greeding a pallet in case you're still behind them. For a few moments post manifest, you keep that state of going invisible and visible without a red stain, so in taller walls or if your timing is right in short loops, you can catch them off guard if they hesitate by doubling back and forth while the invisibility is up. It's a short window, but once you get the hang of it you'll notice it work more or less depending on the survivor you face. I do tend to face survivors who notice even the slightest change of direction as I'm going invisible, but in the end it's all about timing and the survivor's experience. And as Sadako, you don't need to commit to chases too much anyway, if a chase goes too long just teleport to your next target/generator defense. Sometimes I'll break pallets survivors toss near gens and go teleport somewhere else, so when I return that survivor has less safe places to be if they're good at loop mindgames. And sometimes, survivors are just cracked and know their loops, so general looping knowledge just helps Sadako completely.
As for Videotape Copy, it can have it's uses. It's mainly map dependent, since some maps have weird TV placements (coughswampscough) but the extra range can stop survivors from leaving the condemned range too quickly if they're running away from a TV. I suppose it's down to if you find you get more value from it or not.
Just had another extremely aggravating match as Sadako, I really can't stand playing as her. I play as every other M1 Killer and I don't seem to get bullied anywhere near as much as I do when I play just her. I cannot get a single down before the Survivors pop three gens and swarm me with perfectly coordinated body blocks and loop me perfectly and win every mindgame. I'm starting to think playing Sadako 2.0 boosted my MMR so high that I'm trapped in high MMR hell as her, because my matches are nothing like this as any other Killer. She is so miserable to play compared to playing as a Killer like Chucky or Hillbilly. It makes me want to quit the game entirely.
Watch my matches I was telling you about and it will boost your confidence about her. I definitely feel like the power role and I regularly get comp players in my lobbies. It will help you see what you may be doing differently than my matches. Alternatively you can also post a recording of your matches for us to critique. I’m working my last 12 hour shift for the week tomorrow but after that I’m more than happy to hop in the discord and go over everything Onryo for you.
I'm not really noticing any significant differences in anything besides your Perk builds being different from mine. But the Survivors I get seem to be excessively coordinated, like they are full SWFs every time. My position is constantly known, Condemned is constantly cleansed, I am looped perfectly, body blocked, flashlight saved, pallet saved, sabo'd, everything. And I don't get this with any other Killer I play, just her. I really think Sadako 2.0 boosted me because of how overpowered she was. Honestly I prefer that version of her over this one, all they needed to do was tone her down a little bit so she wasn't so overpowered. I even found her funner to play against as Survivor too in that version, because she actually felt like a threat. Her new version feels like such a joke that it doesn't even feel exciting to play against anymore.
It's true some players can still get value out of her and win but it requires waaaaay too much effort to do so compared to almost any other Killer. Too much investment with not enough reward to justify it. I hate when I end up stomping casual newer players with her because it doesn't feel like I earned a win at all, they just died because they don't get how the tapes work, but then my MMR gets boosted thanks to those wins and it's back to sweatville. It's a nightmare.
There's nothing you can do for her. Her design is intentionally garbage and made for survivors to loop endlessly.
That's how it feels honestly. She's the designated Survivor bully victim. I don't get what else is special about her. She has worse slowdown, stealth and mobility than any other Killer that has those things.
So you’re just saying she’s too difficult to play at the level required to beat the better players for you?