WHY SADAKO IS GARBAGE TIER NOW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGAij5gyUms&t=760s

thats a russian streamer, but you see how useless and weak Sadako became after her miserable rework

Comments

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCm3c5d2tL8

    The power is too ridiculously easy to counter. Survivors should NOT be seeing auras of the TVs.

  • I agree completely. We have a lot of feedback to behavior regarding this in hopes they would see that. Hopefully that will make changes.


    It’s entirely too easy for survivors. I also have videos of this.

  • I copied my post from another discussion.


    Her first/Og version was the best. You needed skill for condemning people, she was scarier, you had better mobility and it was the fairest. All in all she was almost perfect.

    The first rework was terrible. I bought the killer for her mobility, which was the most fun thing back then. After the rework everyone took tapes, which denied her mobility almost completely. She was also incredibly unbalanced and unfun to play as and against. Just spam tp and hit everyone with tapes-> repeat->Mori.

    Second rework is better, but still very bad. Her mobility got back a bit, but is still hindered by survivors turning of her TVs constantly. Then the Tv auras make her chase even worse than it already was and they get abused to run around to turn off all TVs at the same time, which is so incredibly unfun to play against. This killer is currently only designed to be a noob stomper, which is so dumb. Your own skill doesn‘t really matter. What matters is the missing knowledge of survivors. If they know the counterplay, you are basically only a m1 killer the whole game.😔 Tapes have no downside, which makes those problems even worse and turning off TVs for 1 stack is so unfair, they just run around turn everything off and get 0 stacks in the end.

    Things that are needed for this version, but I think you should just return to her OG version:

    • TV auras should be completely removed, except of the target TV, where you have to put your tape in
    • Passive condemned after holding a tape for 50s
    • Insertion speed back to 2s or 1,5s
    • Remove the one stack traid of for turning off TVs if the Tv auras stay


    MY HOPES/WISHES

    Behavior you did such a great job with her first version!!! She was almost perfect!!!

    I want her OG version back, because there the focus wasn‘t on condemned only and your own skill mattered and not the missing skill of survivors.

    Strong passive condemned of tapes made survivors rarely touch tapes, which was great! Your power was under your control, because all TVs were online. You could use it in chase, to track people, to condemned them, to get close to them and my favorite to scar them.

    My ideas/ changes:

    • Keep the lock in; it would solve one of the biggest issues: called condemned slugging.
    • Keep the chase buffs (speed boost after tp, no slowdown when manifasting, longer invisibility…), shorter tv cooldowns, anti stun
    • Tapes give one stack every 25s again
    • Condemned gets only applied by one Tv again
    • My condemned buff idea: 24-16m 0,5stacks; 16-8m 1stack; 8-0m 2stacks. This would make her condemned stronger, which would already be stronger through shorter Tv cooldowns and make it skillful again
    • Addons: Return old iri tape, old reikis watch either 50% or 33%, keep current bugged ring drawing, return old yoichis fishing net
    • Give us something to hide her lullaby by making her lullaby disappear through obvious or something else
    • Edit: Remove Tv auras, remove 1stack Tv turn off traid off, change tape instertion speed back to 2s

    Please behavior give me my favorite killer back! Current Onryo is only good against survivors, who ignore her TVs and extremely bad against any good player. This is extremely unhealthy! She is literally reduced to be a noob stomper, which will make her kill rate stay the same. Her first version was the fairest and most fun and skilled one.

    I will wait for some weeks and hope you address the issues, but the best solution would be to return her back to what she once was with the buffs you gave her. Please don‘t leave her like this. She in such a bad spot and I think you should go away from giving her any form of global condemned, most people can‘t deal with it. I don‘t Even want to use her condemned, because by making it global/ all Tv condemned her TVs will always be offline constantly.

    Please just give me good old weak, Onryo back🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @jonifire said:

    I copied my post from another discussion.

    Her first/Og version was the best. You needed skill for condemning people, she was scarier, you had better mobility and it was the fairest. All in all she was almost perfect.

    The first rework was terrible. I bought the killer for her mobility, which was the most fun thing back then. After the rework everyone took tapes, which denied her mobility almost completely. She was also incredibly unbalanced and unfun to play as and against. Just spam tp and hit everyone with tapes-> repeat->Mori.

    Second rework is better, but still very bad. Her mobility got back a bit, but is still hindered by survivors turning of her TVs constantly. Then the Tv auras make her chase even worse than it already was and they get abused to run around to turn off all TVs at the same time, which is so incredibly unfun to play against. This killer is currently only designed to be a noob stomper, which is so dumb. Your own skill doesn‘t really matter. What matters is the missing knowledge of survivors. If they know the counterplay, you are basically only a m1 killer the whole game.😔 Tapes have no downside, which makes those problems even worse and turning off TVs for 1 stack is so unfair, they just run around turn everything off and get 0 stacks in the end.

    Things that are needed for this version, but I think you should just return to her OG version:

    • TV auras should be completely removed, except of the target TV, where you have to put your tape in
    • Passive condemned after holding a tape for 50s
    • Insertion speed back to 2s or 1,5s
    • Remove the one stack traid of for turning off TVs if the Tv auras stay

    MY HOPES/WISHES

    Behavior you did such a great job with her first version!!! She was almost perfect!!!

    I want her OG version back, because there the focus wasn‘t on condemned only and your own skill mattered and not the missing skill of survivors.

    Strong passive condemned of tapes made survivors rarely touch tapes, which was great! Your power was under your control, because all TVs were online. You could use it in chase, to track people, to condemned them, to get close to them and my favorite to scar them.

    My ideas/ changes:

    • Keep the lock in; it would solve one of the biggest issues: called condemned slugging.
    • Keep the chase buffs (speed boost after tp, no slowdown when manifasting, longer invisibility…), shorter tv cooldowns, anti stun
    • Tapes give one stack every 25s again
    • Condemned gets only applied by one Tv again
    • My condemned buff idea: 24-16m 0,5stacks; 16-8m 1stack; 8-0m 2stacks. This would make her condemned stronger, which would already be stronger through shorter Tv cooldowns and make it skillful again
    • Addons: Return old iri tape, old reikis watch either 50% or 33%, keep current bugged ring drawing, return old yoichis fishing net
    • Give us something to hide her lullaby by making her lullaby disappear through obvious or something else
    • Edit: Remove Tv auras, remove 1stack Tv turn off traid off, change tape instertion speed back to 2s

    Please behavior give me my favorite killer back! Current Onryo is only good against survivors, who ignore her TVs and extremely bad against any good player. This is extremely unhealthy! She is literally reduced to be a noob stomper, which will make her kill rate stay the same. Her first version was the fairest and most fun and skilled one.

    I will wait for some weeks and hope you address the issues, but the best solution would be to return her back to what she once was with the buffs you gave her. Please don‘t leave her like this. She in such a bad spot and I think you should go away from giving her any form of global condemned, most people can‘t deal with it. I don‘t Even want to use her condemned, because by making it global/ all Tv condemned her TVs will always be offline constantly.

    Please just give me good old weak, Onryo back🙏🙏🙏🙏

    why don't you learn billy or maybe dredge. both of those killer are mobility based. Sadako is based around mori's and her mori was healthiest version of mori that i have played against or played as in previous iteration.

    Until they fixed her mori, she won't have any viability.

  • @Devil_hit11 said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3654740#Comment_3654740

    why don't you learn billy or maybe dredge. both of those killer are mobility based. Sadako is based around mori's and her mori was healthiest version of mori that i have played against or played as in previous iteration.

    Until they fixed her mori, she won't have any viability.

    Shurely I could do that, but why am I forced to play a killer one particular way?

    My suggestion don‘t even focus only on mobility. Shorter TV cooldowns alone would have made her condemned a lot stronger and with my suggestions she would be good in both ways.

    Why don‘t just make her a cool killer in two aspects?

    I can assure you that most people back then didn‘t play for condemned. After her first rework she got picked a lot less (I played a lot less against her), because it was a harsh nerf to her mobility, which made me drop her.

    Also they don‘t need to nerf everything about her only to make her mori impossible to archive. They should either return her without the proximity condemned buff or with it. In both cases it would be more difficult to archive, but still possible and it would be skillful and not given for free anymore.

    I just dislike that she is currently only good against noobs and her condemned is nearly not existent. Back then it was difficult, but still possible.

  • @jonifire said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3654764#Comment_3654764

    Shurely I could do that, but why am I forced to play a killer one particular way?

    My suggestion don‘t even focus only on mobility. Shorter TV cooldowns alone would have made her condemned a lot stronger and with my suggestions she would be good in both ways.

    Why don‘t just make her a cool killer in two aspects?

    I can assure you that most people back then didn‘t play for condemned. After her first rework she got picked a lot less (I played a lot less against her), because it was a harsh nerf to her mobility, which made me drop her.

    Also they don‘t need to nerf everything about her only to make her mori impossible to archive. They should either return her without the proximity condemned buff or with it. In both cases it would be more difficult to archive, but still possible and it would be skillful and not given for free anymore.

    I just dislike that she is currently only good against noobs and her condemned is nearly not existent. Back then it was difficult, but still possible.

    i most played sadako for her mori. I'd play billy, blight, wraith, dredge if i wanted mobility. there is many options for mobility but not many options for a fun mori killer.

  • @Devil_hit11 said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3654786#Comment_3654786

    i most played sadako for her mori. I'd play billy, blight, wraith, dredge if i wanted mobility. there is many options for mobility but not many options for a fun mori killer.

    Her first version allowed that, but it was more difficult. With those buffs you could go for it easier than with this version and also against good good players. Sadly it‘s unlikely that they just revert her back.