My problem with the decisive strike.

Ihatelife

Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

AntiJelly

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.

Ihatelife

@AntiJelly said:

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.

Play with your food and STBFL gives a survivor benefits in countering the killer, since those perks better works when you leave your obsession alive. Dying light gives a survivor an increased speed to altruistic actions. I agree with sole survivor and remember me being an incorrect.

HavelmomDaS1

Ihatelife said:

@AntiJelly said:

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.

Play with your food and STBFL gives a survivor benefits in countering the killer, since those perks better works when you leave your obsession alive. Dying light gives a survivor an increased speed to altruistic actions. I agree with sole survivor and remember me being an incorrect.

Doesn't the obsession counter completely the effect of remember me and can open the exit gates at normal speed no matter how many stacks?

Ihatelife

@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Ihatelife said:

@AntiJelly said:

 @Ihatelife said:

Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.

So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.

Play with your food and STBFL gives a survivor benefits in countering the killer, since those perks better works when you leave your obsession alive. Dying light gives a survivor an increased speed to altruistic actions. I agree with sole survivor and remember me being an incorrect.

Doesn't the obsession counter completely the effect of remember me and can open the exit gates at normal speed no matter how many stacks?

Theoretically yes. But this perk itself just encourage killers to tunnel the obsession, because the perk better works when your obsession is dead. So practically obsession doesn't get any benefits from this.

starkiller1286

Ihatelife said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Ihatelife said:

@AntiJelly said:

 @Ihatelife said:

Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.

So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.

Play with your food and STBFL gives a survivor benefits in countering the killer, since those perks better works when you leave your obsession alive. Dying light gives a survivor an increased speed to altruistic actions. I agree with sole survivor and remember me being an incorrect.

Doesn't the obsession counter completely the effect of remember me and can open the exit gates at normal speed no matter how many stacks?

Theoretically yes. But this perk itself just encourage killers to tunnel the obsession, because the perk better works when your obsession is dead. So practically obsession doesn't get any benefits from this.

Not quite you'd typically want the ones sion alive as long as possible so you can get 6 hits for the maximum door time. Although it does encourage tunneling if the obsession is stealthy enough they can make it to endgame and make the perk worthless. I had a few games where I couldn't find the obession after the first few hits and they made ithe to near/ endgame before being found again. Dstrike is purely a detriment that doesn't even encourage them to "let you go " like PWYF or remember me does

Ihatelife

@starkiller1286 said:
Ihatelife said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said:

Ihatelife said:

@AntiJelly said:

@Ihatelife said: Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obssesion, killers doesn't get anything from this.

So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?



If you're using that logic, then apparently Sole Survivor, Play With Your Food, Remember Me, and STBFL are all "incorrect" obsession perks. I don't think that both sides have to particularly benefit from obsession perks.



Play with your food and STBFL gives a survivor benefits in countering the killer, since those perks better works when you leave your obsession alive. Dying light gives a survivor an increased speed to altruistic actions. I agree with sole survivor and remember me being an incorrect.

Doesn't the obsession counter completely the effect of remember me and can open the exit gates at normal speed no matter how many stacks?

Theoretically yes. But this perk itself just encourage killers to tunnel the obsession, because the perk better works when your obsession is dead. So practically obsession doesn't get any benefits from this.

Not quite you'd typically want the ones sion alive as long as possible so you can get 6 hits for the maximum door time. Although it does encourage tunneling if the obsession is stealthy enough they can make it to endgame and make the perk worthless. I had a few games where I couldn't find the obession after the first few hits and they made ithe to near/ endgame before being found again. Dstrike is purely a detriment that doesn't even encourage them to "let you go " like PWYF or remember me does

I mean, basically every survivor can make it to the endgame if they are stealthy enough.

The_Crusader

DS should only be available to the obsession, and Rancor should work when the hatch is open.

The perk wouldn't be as bad then.

fluffybunny

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

They get a benefit if they have a perk for it.

Ihatelife

@The_Crusader said:
DS should only be available to the obsession, and Rancor should work when the hatch is open.

The perk wouldn't be as bad then.

Even if the DS could only work for the obsession, it would still doesn't get any benefit for the killer, not like the Rancor. Rancor at least gives you an obsession a benefit to see a killer every single repaired gen. This is how in my opinion those perks should work. It gives you something okay, but it gives also your enemy something.

Ihatelife

@fluffybunny said:

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

They get a benefit if they have a perk for it.

That's not how it should work in my opinion.

The_Crusader

Ihatelife said:

@The_Crusader said:
DS should only be available to the obsession, and Rancor should work when the hatch is open.

The perk wouldn't be as bad then.

Even if the DS could only work for the obsession, it would still doesn't get any benefit for the killer, not like the Rancor. Rancor at least gives you an obsession a benefit to see a killer every single repaired gen. This is how in my opinion those perks should work. It gives you something okay, but it gives also your enemy something.

They had no idea what they were doing back then. It's ridiculous that they don't even have the broken effect, so you can use an instaheal/use adrenaline

Hoodied

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

He means michael's perks benefit from it
Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

Ihatelife

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

He means michael's perks benefit from it
Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

Ihatelife

@The_Crusader said:
Ihatelife said:

@The_Crusader said:

DS should only be available to the obsession, and Rancor should work when the hatch is open.

The perk wouldn't be as bad then.

Even if the DS could only work for the obsession, it would still doesn't get any benefit for the killer, not like the Rancor. Rancor at least gives you an obsession a benefit to see a killer every single repaired gen. This is how in my opinion those perks should work. It gives you something okay, but it gives also your enemy something.

They had no idea what they were doing back then. It's ridiculous that they don't even have the broken effect, so you can use an instaheal/use adrenaline

I agree. It should have at least downside or require to use this perk like deliverance.

Hoodied

@Ihatelife said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

He means michael's perks benefit from it
Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

Dying light will make an obsession, like all perks in its category, so it benefits killer and survivor, also I re-read it and he means some of the perks, sorry, dying light benefits survivor and killer, killer kills the obsession, earns regression, survivor heals with it, gains a progression boost

Ihatelife

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

He means michael's perks benefit from it
Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

Dying light will make an obsession, like all perks in its category, so it benefits killer and survivor, also I re-read it and he means some of the perks, sorry, dying light benefits survivor and killer, killer kills the obsession, earns regression, survivor heals with it, gains a progression boost

Okay, but I don't understand why the DS and sole survivor doesn't benefit a killer. Even the Laurie's description said: ''Her personal perks grant her a powerful survival abilities at the cost of leaving her exposed.'' But decisive strike doesn't have any expose or downside. You get my point?

Hoodied

@Ihatelife said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

He means michael's perks benefit from it
Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

Dying light will make an obsession, like all perks in its category, so it benefits killer and survivor, also I re-read it and he means some of the perks, sorry, dying light benefits survivor and killer, killer kills the obsession, earns regression, survivor heals with it, gains a progression boost

Okay, but I don't understand why the DS and sole survivor doesn't benefit a killer. Even the Laurie's description said: ''Her personal perks grant her a powerful survival abilities at the cost of leaving her exposed.'' But decisive strike doesn't have any expose or downside. You get my point?

Yeah, but ooo does

The_Crusader

DS is the most unfair and unfun perk in the entire game.....actually make that in any game I've ever played.

Ihatelife

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

He means michael's perks benefit from it
Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

Dying light will make an obsession, like all perks in its category, so it benefits killer and survivor, also I re-read it and he means some of the perks, sorry, dying light benefits survivor and killer, killer kills the obsession, earns regression, survivor heals with it, gains a progression boost

Okay, but I don't understand why the DS and sole survivor doesn't benefit a killer. Even the Laurie's description said: ''Her personal perks grant her a powerful survival abilities at the cost of leaving her exposed.'' But decisive strike doesn't have any expose or downside. You get my point?

Yeah, but ooo does

Yes OoO is actually a fair obsession perk, even with this lockers abuse,

Bravo0413

Okay but what should DS give to the killer? After use should it expose the others for such and such time? Should it hinder the gen progression of the user by a certain amount of percent?  

Ihatelife

@Bravo0413 said:
Okay but what should DS give to the killer? After use should it expose the others for such and such time? Should it hinder the gen progression of the user by a certain amount of percent?  

Hmmm in my opinion it should give the killer a bloodlust, after the survivor escape by the DS. Because the killers are simply in this situation raged right? So logically their bloodlust would be increased. But this is of course my thoughts about this.

The_Crusader

Bravo0413 said:

Okay but what should DS give to the killer? After use should it expose the others for such and such time? Should it hinder the gen progression of the user by a certain amount of percent?  

It shoukd have given then Rancor, instadown and kill once exit gates are powered or when hatch is open.

But they made Rancor a perk now so....

Master

@Ihatelife said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Ihatelife said:
Mathieu said on the spotlight that when the survivor becomes an obssesion, killer and himself gets a benefits from this. HOWEVER, decisive strike gives only a benefits to the obsession, killers doesn't get anything from this.
So what about if we rework the DS in that way, when they both gets a benefits from this?

He means michael's perks benefit from it
Dying light is an obsession perk, stbfl is a obsession perk, etc

Sole survivor and decisive strike are also an obsession perks. If this mechanic is supposed to give a both sides benefits from this, than it should work that way. Not only giving a benefits to a survivor, when the killer run some obsession perk.

Dying light will make an obsession, like all perks in its category, so it benefits killer and survivor, also I re-read it and he means some of the perks, sorry, dying light benefits survivor and killer, killer kills the obsession, earns regression, survivor heals with it, gains a progression boost

Okay, but I don't understand why the DS and sole survivor doesn't benefit a killer. Even the Laurie's description said: ''Her personal perks grant her a powerful survival abilities at the cost of leaving her exposed.'' But decisive strike doesn't have any expose or downside. You get my point?

Yeah, but ooo does

Yes OoO is actually a fair obsession perk, even with this lockers abuse,

It would be, if it wasnt for SWF