SC buff BUFFS SWF TOO!

I keep seeing this bullshit people keep sprouting that the SC buff somehow nerfs SWF. It absolutely does not.

Go back and watch the DePip squad and see how often they heal each other. SWF is most efficient by splitting up and constantly working on gens. Not this falacy of then sticking together and healing each other. This change does nothing but make Survivors (INCLUDING SWF) more efficient by healing themselves faster while the others can focus gens.

Seriously.

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  • Maybe the devs dont have friend so they dont know how swf works. :(
  • Good survivors heal themselves with Adrenaline :)
  • swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed

  • It makes solo games when you have no communication much easier. Sometimes, though very rare, a survivor could run into the same generator a survivor is working on. Not only that, but the recent perk changes (such as prove thyself) allow for generators to be done (and the avoidance of survivors working on said generator) which could make it like a whispers for survivor if used right. Of course, these perk changes are constantly being tested and could be changed at any time.

  • @Tru3Lemon said:
    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed

    Yes if you use Self Care. If you don't, well enjoy the slower healing still.

  • Tru3Lemon said:

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.
  • Tru3Lemon said:

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.
    As of the building self care makes healing others slower than healing yourself
  • Unit said:
    Tru3Lemon said:

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.
    As of the building self care makes healing others slower than healing yourself
    Why would you bother wasting your time healing a team mate when they can heal themselves just as fast? Leaving you time to rush gens?

    That is a fundamental problem with this change. It takes the decision making apect of heals(Heal self slower or waste teammate's time for faster heals) and throws it right out the window. It will be always correct to heal yourself!
  • "In the PTB, self-care only costs one survivor 21 seconds, but regular healing still costs two survivors at least 16 seconds each (more if the one giving the hoverhand backrub has self-care). 1x21 < 2x16.

    In the PTB, everyone running self-care and then just never healing anyone else ever will buy the team 11 seconds per health state healed relative to the current build. Hopping off a gen to heal someone instead of self-healing is the equivalent of failing a skill check or two, you're just throwing away 11 seconds of gen progress. Unless the killer camps to progress stages or tunnels to prevent healing, this adds up to basically an entire extra generator before the killer triple hooks everyone. If they roll this change out, when the meta adapts the game will be at least an entire generator faster than they are now."

    Welcome to the Meta - This buffs the ######### out of SWF as well.

  • @Tzeentchling9 said:
    Tru3Lemon said:

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.

    yeah the nerf of SWF its that if 1 of them dies the cannot see what perks addons and offering from the killer

    feel free to see the patch notes

  • @Unit said:
    Tzeentchling9 said:


    Tru3Lemon said:

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.

    As of the building self care makes healing others slower than healing yourself

    yep someone did read the patch

  • Tru3Lemon said:

    @Tzeentchling9 said:
    Tru3Lemon said:

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.

    yeah the nerf of SWF its that if 1 of them dies the cannot see what perks addons and offering from the killer

    feel free to see the patch notes

    Totally irrelevant to the SC buff. No red herrings please.

    Tru3Lemon said:

    @Unit said:
    Tzeentchling9 said:


    Tru3Lemon said:

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.

    As of the building self care makes healing others slower than healing yourself

    yep someone did read the patch

    Already refuted. The "downside" in no way is equal to the buff since there is no sacrifice in healing speed when you heal yourself now, while still retaining the upsides of independent healing.
  • @Tzeentchling9 said:
    Tru3Lemon said:

    @Tzeentchling9 said:

    Tru3Lemon said:

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed
    

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.

    yeah the nerf of SWF its that if 1 of them dies the cannot see what perks addons and offering from the killer

    feel free to see the patch notes

    Totally irrelevant to the SC buff. No red herrings please.
    Tru3Lemon said:

    @Unit said:

    Tzeentchling9 said:

    Tru3Lemon said:
    
    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed
    
    
    
    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.
    

    As of the building self care makes healing others slower than healing yourself

    yep someone did read the patch

    Already refuted. The "downside" in no way is equal to the buff since there is no sacrifice in healing speed when you heal yourself now, while still retaining the upsides of independent healing.

    you have sloppy butcher......thanatophobia..... :lol:

  • Oh my god the amount of moaning about this is unreal. Seriously. This change might be added only because of LEGION. He's a monster with those buffs and has absolutely no counterplay whatsoever, he's pretty much the same level as Spirit.

    With Moniter and abuse and a Nurses calling, he's close to unstoppable. And this is the core problem. The new SC makes healing 20 seconds because survivors need some chance to heal up before he gets them down in 3 hits. With 32 seconds and something close to 40 with Sloppy (these are the old values), that gives him far too much time to track you down and stab you.

    Stop moaning. Survivor mains need this to help against Legion. Killer mains normally find a way around this without crying which is why I respect killer mains so much I mean the OG's managed to somehow 4 man with the PALLET VACUUM?! ######### and they used to manage it when playing killers like Myers or the old Hag. They always deal with nerfs. Take the BT change for example, it's not even an issue for killers atm they still do well.

    I play both sides and quite frankly, I don't care that SC got buffed, it still slows down other healing.

  • Tru3Lemon said:

    @Tzeentchling9 said:
    Tru3Lemon said:

    @Tzeentchling9 said:

    Tru3Lemon said:

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed
    

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.

    yeah the nerf of SWF its that if 1 of them dies the cannot see what perks addons and offering from the killer

    feel free to see the patch notes

    Totally irrelevant to the SC buff. No red herrings please.
    Tru3Lemon said:

    @Unit said:

    Tzeentchling9 said:

    Tru3Lemon said:
    
    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed
    
    
    
    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.
    

    As of the building self care makes healing others slower than healing yourself

    yep someone did read the patch

    Already refuted. The "downside" in no way is equal to the buff since there is no sacrifice in healing speed when you heal yourself now, while still retaining the upsides of independent healing.

    you have sloppy butcher......thanatophobia..... :lol:

    @Tru3Lemon
    It is against the forum rules to use logic and common sense, reported! :)
  • Tru3Lemon said:

    @Tzeentchling9 said:
    Tru3Lemon said:

    @Tzeentchling9 said:

    Tru3Lemon said:

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed
    

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.

    yeah the nerf of SWF its that if 1 of them dies the cannot see what perks addons and offering from the killer

    feel free to see the patch notes

    Totally irrelevant to the SC buff. No red herrings please.
    Tru3Lemon said:

    @Unit said:

    Tzeentchling9 said:

    Tru3Lemon said:
    
    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed
    
    
    
    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.
    

    As of the building self care makes healing others slower than healing yourself

    yep someone did read the patch

    Already refuted. The "downside" in no way is equal to the buff since there is no sacrifice in healing speed when you heal yourself now, while still retaining the upsides of independent healing.

    you have sloppy butcher......thanatophobia..... :lol:

    And you have Botany and Medkits if slow heals are so terrible for you. What's your point?
  • @Vietfox said:
    Tru3Lemon said:

    @Tzeentchling9 said:

    Tru3Lemon said:

    @Tzeentchling9 said:
    
    Tru3Lemon said:
    

    swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed

    Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.
    
    
    
    yeah the nerf of SWF its that if 1 of them dies the cannot see what perks addons and offering from the killer
    
    feel free to see the patch notes
    
    
    
    Totally irrelevant to the SC buff. No red herrings please. 
    
    Tru3Lemon said:
    
    @Unit said:
    
    Tzeentchling9 said:
    

    Tru3Lemon said: swf got nerfed and solo survivor got buffed Feel free to provide evidence to this claim.

    As of the building self care makes healing others slower than healing yourself
    
    
    
    yep someone did read the patch
    

    Already refuted. The "downside" in no way is equal to the buff since there is no sacrifice in healing speed when you heal yourself now, while still retaining the upsides of independent healing.

    you have sloppy butcher......thanatophobia..... :lol:

    @Tru3Lemon
    It is against the forum rules to use logic and common sense, reported! :)

    https://media.giphy.com/media/12gTXYTS09oST6/giphy.gif

  • Poweas said:

    Oh my god the amount of moaning about this is unreal. Seriously. This change might be added only because of LEGION. He's a monster with those buffs and has absolutely no counterplay whatsoever, he's pretty much the same level as Spirit.

    With Moniter and abuse and a Nurses calling, he's close to unstoppable. And this is the core problem. The new SC makes healing 20 seconds because survivors need some chance to heal up before he gets them down in 3 hits. With 32 seconds and something close to 40 with Sloppy (these are the old values), that gives him far too much time to track you down and stab you.

    Stop moaning. Survivor mains need this to help against Legion. Killer mains normally find a way around this without crying which is why I respect killer mains so much I mean the OG's managed to somehow 4 man with the PALLET VACUUM?! ######### and they used to manage it when playing killers like Myers or the old Hag. They always deal with nerfs. Take the BT change for example, it's not even an issue for killers atm they still do well.

    I play both sides and quite frankly, I don't care that SC got buffed, it still slows down other healing.

    And what if it isn't Legion? How come Survivors get answers to specific a Killer that also destroy the rest of the Killer roster. For example, when do Killers get a perk that let's them always move 25% faster to help counter the off chance a Survivor is using Sprint Burst?

    Edit:Mobile autocorrect is balls
  • @Tzeentchling9 said:
    Poweas said:

    Oh my god the amount of moaning about this is unreal. Seriously. This change might be added only because of LEGION. He's a monster with those buffs and has absolutely no counterplay whatsoever, he's pretty much the same level as Spirit.

    With Moniter and abuse and a Nurses calling, he's close to unstoppable. And this is the core problem. The new SC makes healing 20 seconds because survivors need some chance to heal up before he gets them down in 3 hits. With 32 seconds and something close to 40 with Sloppy (these are the old values), that gives him far too much time to track you down and stab you.

    Stop moaning. Survivor mains need this to help against Legion. Killer mains normally find a way around this without crying which is why I respect killer mains so much I mean the OG's managed to somehow 4 man with the PALLET VACUUM?! ######### and they used to manage it when playing killers like Myers or the old Hag. They always deal with nerfs. Take the BT change for example, it's not even an issue for killers atm they still do well.

    I play both sides and quite frankly, I don't care that SC got buffed, it still slows down other healing.

    And what if it isn't Legion? How come Survivors get answers to specific a Killer that also destroy the rest of the Killer roster. For example, when do Killers get a perk that let's them always move 25% faster to help counter the off chance a Survivor is using Sprint Burst?

    Edit:Mobile autocorrect is balls

    If it isn't Legion then it still doesn't make as much as a difference as you think it will. Just watch you'll not notice a difference. I'm taking the fact that they're doing this as a sign that in the upcoming updates, the devs will be adding something else to delay the game since healing does that right now but lots of people don't heal anymore.

  • Poweas said:

    @Tzeentchling9 said:
    Poweas said:

    Oh my god the amount of moaning about this is unreal. Seriously. This change might be added only because of LEGION. He's a monster with those buffs and has absolutely no counterplay whatsoever, he's pretty much the same level as Spirit.

    With Moniter and abuse and a Nurses calling, he's close to unstoppable. And this is the core problem. The new SC makes healing 20 seconds because survivors need some chance to heal up before he gets them down in 3 hits. With 32 seconds and something close to 40 with Sloppy (these are the old values), that gives him far too much time to track you down and stab you.

    Stop moaning. Survivor mains need this to help against Legion. Killer mains normally find a way around this without crying which is why I respect killer mains so much I mean the OG's managed to somehow 4 man with the PALLET VACUUM?! ######### and they used to manage it when playing killers like Myers or the old Hag. They always deal with nerfs. Take the BT change for example, it's not even an issue for killers atm they still do well.

    I play both sides and quite frankly, I don't care that SC got buffed, it still slows down other healing.

    And what if it isn't Legion? How come Survivors get answers to specific a Killer that also destroy the rest of the Killer roster. For example, when do Killers get a perk that let's them always move 25% faster to help counter the off chance a Survivor is using Sprint Burst?

    Edit:Mobile autocorrect is balls

    If it isn't Legion then it still doesn't make as much as a difference as you think it will. Just watch you'll not notice a difference. I'm taking the fact that they're doing this as a sign that in the upcoming updates, the devs will be adding something else to delay the game since healing does that right now but lots of people don't heal anymore.

    I have been watching people in the PTB and the difference is very noticeable. Not to mention all the math being shown throughout the forum.