Will we ever get more Yoichi skins ?

catnipthegreat

I understand it's a licensed chapter and all---It was cool to finally have a male japanese character in the game... but we can't dress him up. :(

Ayodam

I thought Yoichi (as an adult) was something BHVR created? There’s no adult version in any Ringu films.

catnipthegreat

I thought so too, but I don't really know how deep the licensing goes.. is it just the name.. or is it the whole character because of the name? I am not sure how or where exactly the line is drawn. I am hoping Mandy will see this and drop nuggets of enlightenment.

Lekitzul

Hm, well if he's kinda like Jed the Ghostface, then they may have more skins. Ghostie is liscensed, but the character Jed is theres, so maybe?

BarnesFlam

Probably an ugly sweater?

Mooks

Pretty sure even if he isn’t from the movies he still counts as a licensed character and cosmetics will only be available with auric cells and have to be created with the license holders approval etc.

i kinda hope for at least an ugly Xmas sweater? I think almost all licensed survivors that got introduced after those started got them, right?

Smoe

@OnryosTapeRentals said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3227969#Comment_3227969

Huge Ring fan here! This is correct.

Adult Yoichi is not a character in any of the four major Ring timelines and the films where he's present as a child do not line up with his DbD rendition. For example in Dead by Daylight, Yoichi's lore states he goes to Scotland to investigate disappearances. This never happens in any of the timelines.

Adult Yoichi is technically part of the Ringu timeline since his lore takes place 2 decades after Ringu 2, it's even considered canon to that timeline by the rights holder iirc.

Smoe

@OnryosTapeRentals said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3228170#Comment_3228170

"the team at Behaviour Interactive were given free rein to come up with their own version of events" (source: https://www.newsweek.com/dead-daylight-interview-ringu-ring-sadako-rising-kaokawa-behavior-interactive-dlc-1679327#:~:text=The%20interesting%20thing%20here%20is,once%20he%20escaped%20Sadako's%20clutches.)

"Ringu licence-holder Kadokawa allowed BHVR to create new Lore for Yoichi that did not exist in the original franchise." (source: https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Yoichi_Asakawa)

I guess you could headcanon the events of his lore as happening after Ringu 2 but Dead by Daylight I've never seen anyone in the fandom regard Dead by Daylight as a canon part of the Nakata timeline.

"Dead by Daylight' will soon be crossing over with the "Ringu" franchise. In an exclusive interview, Behaviour Interactive spoke about how they adapted this license.

"Anyway, our intention was always to go after the Ringu license. It could very well have been the American Ring, but Kadokawa were interested in continuing the original story and having their characters be part of the Dead by Daylight universe."

Don't know about you, but this reads as confirmation for it to be canon.

Smoe

@OnryosTapeRentals said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3228181#Comment_3228181

I mean this doesn't read as canon to me at all. All this is saying is they wanted the characters to be in Dbd?

Also Kadokawa are just the media company who own the license, they weren't the specifically ones who wrote the story or directed the films. Ringu and Ringu 2 were directed by Hideo Nakata, who has himself continued the Ringu timeline with Sadako (2019).

I see no issue with this as a headcanon but everyone else I've spoken to in the fandom has regarded Dead by Daylight: Sadako Rising as existing outside of any of the four major timelines.

The thing is thou, the license holders are the ones who hold legal rights to officially say what's canon and what isn't canon, not the fandom and unless the creator themselves hold the license to the IP, they don't have the power to say what is or isn't canon either.

Seeing as how they wanted Yoichi's lore to be continued in dbd, it gives it more legitimacy for it to be part of the Ringu universe than not.

Also we're talking specifically about Yoichi, Sadako 2019 doesn't continue Yoichi's lore.

Smoe

@OnryosTapeRentals said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3228222#Comment_3228222

(spoilers for the Nakata and Rasen timelimes ahead!)

I'm aware, I've seen it twice. But it does continue Sadako's and not in a way that aligns with the DbD chapter. Which would mean we have Yoichi from the Nakata timeline and Sadako from a different one, which to me just seems illogical because their in-game lores are intertwined.

Also the Dead by Daylight: Sadako Rising chapter is partly based off of the books written by Koji Suzuki, who is also one of the license holders, hence why he's referenced in the copyright declaration at the bottom of Sadako Rising content:

https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/M7TGBHF1JEQS/image.png

Also Kadokawa are also the license holders of Rasen (1998), the first sequel to Ringu (1998) in which Yoichi canonically died as a child.

The chapter is a blend of lore from multiple sources (including the novels where he doesn't even exist), there's no clear timeline or continuation happening with the Sadako Rising chapter, which is why every timelime I've seen has placed it separately. E.g.

https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/6FN5UTDD2FHJ/image.png

Sorry but that's not true, it's not a blend of lore from multiple sources, the lore of both Sadako & Yoichi are both clearly related to the first Ringu movie, the thing is that because the multiverse exist in dbd, the most likely case is that Sadako is taken before the events of the 2019 movie in a seperate timeline while Yoichi is taken after the events of Ringu 2.

Kadokawa may be the license holder for Rasen, but it doesn't change the fact that the Yoichi we have is clearly based off Ringu & Ringu 2 (which is even stated in the article itself and is showcased in Yoichi's perk icons that has clear references to Ringu 1, even Sadako's Call of Brine perk icon is a reference to Ringu 1, as well as all of her addon icons), even the novel itself despite bhvr saying in a teaser back in December that the chapter is inspired by Kōji Suzuki’s novel and the original acclaimed film adaptation, there is nothing within the chapter's content itself that has any direct connection, references or implications anywhere that suggests it's related to the novel itself, everything within the lore, perks and addons are purely references to Ringu 1 and if there is anything tied to the novel, i have yet to find it.

Also seeing how Koji Suzuki has copyright on the franchise, it's safe to say that he gave the go ahead for Kadokawa and BHVR to create the lore they've made that's clearly related to the Nakata movies.

Sava18

@catnipthegreat said:

I understand it's a licensed chapter and all---It was cool to finally have a male japanese character in the game... but we can't dress him up. :(

Yoichi? More like Whoichi. Sorry.

Yatol

IIRC they have to consult the license holders for anything related to the license be added in the game

IlliterateGenocide

@catnipthegreat said:

I understand it's a licensed chapter and all---It was cool to finally have a male japanese character in the game... but we can't dress him up. :(

I mean, Quentin got no store cosmetics and hes a less obscure license so idk

Smoe

@OnryosTapeRentals said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3228294#Comment_3228294

BHVR themselves have stated multiple times in different places that the Sadako Rising chapter is based off of Koji Suzuki's novels AND Ringu (1998).

You can find it on any of their major social media channels:

https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/EBAH2XMVASUR/image.png

The chapter is not based off of any ONE timeline or entry. You're saying that it's all based of the Ringu movies but Yoichi's in-game lore contradicts that: "As a child, Yoichi gained an interest in the supernatural from his father and mother when an inexplicable curse claimed both their lives." His mother, Reiko, is not killed by Sadako's curse. She dies in a car accident.

What about the Rickety Pinwheel add-on? It's a reference to Tide (2000) is it not?

They say it's based off on the novel and the movie, but like i said, i have yet to find anything within the dlc's content that's pointing towards the novel in any shape, way or form. Everything from what i've seen from it is just Ringu & Ringu 2 references. if there is any references related to the novel at all, then feel free to show me because i genuinely have not found any.

You're right that Reiko did technically die from a car accident, while possibility of it being a seperate timeline tied to the first Ringu movie where both Reiko or Ryūji dies is there, it's probably just a mistake on bhvr's part for not being more specific about it. Yoichi gained his interest in the supernatural when an inexplicable curse claimed both their lives, as in he gained it after it happened, IE after the events of Ringu 2 since his parents are dead at that point.

Rickety Pinwheel addon is from the cave in Ringu 2

Late edit: Yeah It's definitely not a seperate timeline, it very much is only within the Ringu timeline. Only reason the death of Yoichi's parents aren't being specified is because BHVR tends to not always be heavy on details when it comes to licensed lore, sadako and Yoichi aren't the only ones suffering from this. You can see it on other licensed character's lores like Bubba, Bill, Pyramid Head and generally all Resident Evil characters. All of them don't really go too much into details of events or other character's names or what happened to those characters, but you can still tell what timeline/universe those licensed characters come from and same thing goes for both Yoichi and Sadako.