"Boring Killers" - Are Survivor Complaints Valid?

i feel like we come back to this topic of wanting something nerfed vs wanting something to be made healthier, and sometimes the conflating of the two. people will interpret complaints about spirit or freddy as wanting them "nerfed" when in fact these killers aren't overpowered at all because, as you note in the video, they're perfectly beatable if people stay spread out because that's the most efficient way to play the game


the problem is not strong killers. the problem is killers who are strong for the wrong reasons, who have unfair chase mechanics to make up for their terrible map mobility (this is why i tend to be against 110 killers because they almost always end up in this boat)


you note pyramid head is deathslinger done better, but i'd argue he's no better (or even worse) than deathslinger because he does the same power faking/free m1 stuff deathslinger does, except against deathslinger a safe pallet is still typically safe once you're injured. a pyramid head can force you into die or die scenarios much more easily because even pallets aren't safe against him; throw a pallet and he hits you with his power, don't throw the pallet and he cancels his power and gets a free hit - same goes for vaulting pallets and windows. he's faster than deathslinger and can hit you through any obstacle without needing to m1 you, so i actually find him much less bearable in chase than deathslinger is because at least i can LoS a deathslinger and take advantage of his slower movement in some scenarios, and while slinger is stronger out in the open, i can at least sometimes do something about him when i'm at a tile

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  • @SuzuKR said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3185260#Comment_3185260

    Just cause 4 specific survivor players don’t have fun against 1 specific killer/killer player doesn’t mean there’s a problem.

    And now intentionally obtuse. Have a good day.

  • Can't think of a killer who's boring.

  • "'Boring Killers' - Are Survivor Complaints Valid?"

    My immediate thought: if you have to ask, the answer is no.

    More seriously I'll generally pay more attention to complaints that come from the side that most benefits from a given issue, such as how even Survivor players would note the issues with Dead Hard. Or Killer mains and Nurse.

  • @MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:

    Spirit is no longer problem tho? She already nerfed, i don't know why people are believing she is problem.

    Nurse? She needs some add-on nerfs and that's all have to be done.

    People are gonna complain about Spirit til the end of time, not only because she has a stigma around her due to being a former top 3, but because of the myth that simply wearing headphones while playing her makes her unfair.

  • Unless

    1. What the majority of the play-as side or what the majority of the play-against side finds unfun is different from what the majority of the opposite side finds fun
    2. Or the majority of the play-as side and the majority of the play-against side both find the same thing unfun

    There is no problem unless it is unbalanced. Thinking otherwise is entitlement.

  • @GrimoireWeiss said:

    Is this a 2020 post or something? Slinger and Pyramid Head received changes ages ago.

    People are gonna keep complaining about Deathslinger simply because if he aims well, he maybe gets a down on you, even though Huntress is literally the same but better and doesn't receive these complaints. Pyramid Head is the same, and so is Pinhead with Engineer's Fang: people get mad that the killer gets rewarded for aiming well and making predictions. The only reason Huntress is exempt from this criticism is I guess because she's been around longer and everyone is so attached to her. If it wasn't for her sometimes hitting people with hatchets around corners, you'd never hear a complaint about her.

  • @Tsulan said:

    Whenever I read a complaint about boring killers, I instantly have to think about how interesting running in circles around a rock feels.

    Right on.

  • @shiroo said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3182847#Comment_3182847

    And yet chases are the most fun part of this game. If you consider that running around a rock then why are you playing the game? There are gen skill checks sims online!

    But is it though? Chasing is fun, but if you ask a tunneled survivor he probably won´t agree. Same goes for a 110% movement speed killer who is running around a rock. Its utterly boring.

  • @Droneinthrwind said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3182847#Comment_3182847

    Well, you either run around the rock three times and drop pallet or hold W. Both are brain dead strategies but somehow 80% of player base can't even do that. So 🤷‍♂️

    Balancing around bad players has never and will never be a good idea.

    Otherwise Nurse would be in for a heavy buff. Because bad players drag her kill rate down into the abyss.

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