Toxicity pays off

SleepyWillo

So it seems that all the toxicity is only punishing those that are toxic...

Use SmartFace to be toxic? Get the cosmetics removed.

Camp/Tunnel? BT could be basekit!

If the toxicity keeps up we could lose the ability to crouch, or survivors could pick themselves up if slugged for too long, etc...

This should be a wake up call to those who like being toxic - keep it up and they will simply take away your tools to be toxic.

Hopefully people can just be decent from now on but I've lost hope tbh...

CyberDragoon656

@Predated said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2767129#Comment_2767129

Camping/tunneling is not toxic, but it's very easy to abuse in public games. If people didnt abuse it against randoms, there would be no plans of making BT basekit.

There have been many things made "basekit" to address mechanics that are abusable to both sides. Doesnt mean they are exploited, just that their effectiveness is a bit too good as a vanilla mechanic. Like, back in the day, doing gens with 3 people was optimal, on average, 1 gen would pop every 25 seconds. So a vanilla Thanatophobia was given to survivors based on how many people worked on any single gen.

Look at the basekit BT to be a quick solution to camping and tunneling early game. I feel like it might only be applied to the first 3 unhooks in the game. Because at some point, you cant really consider chasing any survivor a tunnel any longer. Not on every unhook.

It's easy to abuse because the game warrants it especially now with killer constantly teetering between tolerable and Unplayable thanks to the balance.

Making bt base kit will not fix anything because right now most survivor meta perks encourage camping and tunneling due to how they can be used and abused, instead it will just be another reason for people to quit the game rather than fix one issue that even the devs agreed was viable.

Junylar

For almost 800 hours I've played this game, I haven't met a single occurrence where someone would use Smartface for being toxic. Toxic facecampers - sure, toxic bubbas - of course, but using a cosmetic to be toxic - I can't even imagine how it would be supposed to work. The mask is being removed by solely political reasons with a poorly made up justification.

Sakurra

@AngyKiller said:

Except camping and tunneling are not toxic. They are tactics. Say it with me 'tactics'.

Just because they're tactics the players on the losing side dislike, does not make them 'toxic'. Toxic is the new 'unfun' buzzword thrown around to control how people play.

And every single killer that is tunneling and camping will nod at you like it's not toxic 😂 Definitely it's not toxic, they are just tactics! 😂😂😂

AngyKiller

@Sakurra said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2767126#Comment_2767126

And every single killer that is tunneling and camping will nod at you like it's not toxic 😂 Definitely it's not toxic, they are just tactics! 😂😂😂

1. Useless sweeping statement that proves and solves nothing. Not 'every Killer who camps/tunnels' nods.
2. You have a point? Or was this just a random spout of whataboutism?

Sakurra

@AngyKiller said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2768308#Comment_2768308

1. Useless sweeping statement that proves and solves nothing. Not 'every Killer who camps/tunnels' nods.
2. You have a point? Or was this just a random spout of whataboutism?

I will answer you to no.2

I'm not here to come with arguments. Where do you think we are? 😂 It's not a competition with arguments. 😂

AngyKiller

@Sakurra said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2768312#Comment_2768312

I will answer you to no.2

I'm not here to come with arguments. Where do you think we are? 😂 It's not a competition with arguments. 😂

It's called a 'discussion' or 'debate'. But thanks for letting me know your posts are not worth reading since you don't bring arguments, only random attacks. 👍️

El_Gingero

@SleepyWillo said:

So it seems that all the toxicity is only punishing those that are toxic...

Use SmartFace to be toxic? Get the cosmetics removed.

Camp/Tunnel? BT could be basekit!

If the toxicity keeps up we could lose the ability to crouch, or survivors could pick themselves up if slugged for too long, etc...

This should be a wake up call to those who like being toxic - keep it up and they will simply take away your tools to be toxic.

Hopefully people can just be decent from now on but I've lost hope tbh...

Honestly the people who were trolling with the smart face are probably laughing their asses off at getting it removed. People say “don’t feed the troll,” well BHVR gave them an all you can eat buffet. I’m 100% confident they’re extremely pleased with themselves and see it as a victory.