Pyramid Head needs Better Ultra Rares

Lie seriously, it's probably better if he just ended up having the following:

Obsidian Goblet

  • Tremendously increases the range of Punishment of the Damned.
  • Tremendously increases the duration at which you can perform Rites of Judgement.
  • Whenever The Executioner performs Rites of Judgement, he gains the Undetectable Status Effect for as long as he holds the Power.
  • After releasing Rites of Judgement, the effect goes on cooldown for 15 seconds.

Iridescent Seal of Metatron

  • Whenever a Survivor steps on a Rites of Judgement trail, their Aura will be revealed to The Executioner for as long as they stand on top of it, and an additional 3 seconds after leaving it.
    • This effect is increased when running Killer Instinct duration add-ons.
  • Survivors afflicted with Torment will have their Auras revealed to The Executioner for 6 seconds whenever another Survivor is sent to a Cage of Atonement.
  • Whenever a Tormented Survivor rescues someone from the Cage of Atonement, only the rescued Survivor will have the ailment removed.

These would at least be something to give Pyramid Head. He's already a strong Killer as it is, but his add-ons are some of the weakest ones in the game, even compared to his contemporaries like Oni, Spirit, Blight and Nurse, who all have fairly decent add-ons and Ultra Rares.

These new add-ons for him would just actually give people a reason to start using his add-ons, even if they have to be Ultra Rares. These add-ons would also pair up perfectly with many, many of his other add-ons and would allow him to make some very interesting and wonderful builds not seen before with his current Ultra Rare add-ons.

This could be fun and would impose a new strategy upon Survivors and Pyramid Head alike that people might like. A challenge during chase as Survivor, and a way to really kick things up a notch for the Killer.

Comments

  • These are way over the top. Seal of Metatron isn’t even that bad of an add-on. If anything, we could go the Demo route and reveal all Survivors’ auras instead just those that are tormented, similar to what was done to Leprose Lichen in the Demo rework.

  • @Trwth said:

    These are way over the top. Seal of Metatron isn’t even that bad of an add-on. If anything, we could go the Demo route and reveal all Survivors’ auras instead just those that are tormented, similar to what was done to Leprose Lichen in the Demo rework.

    I feel both are either mediocre or just too bad. Plus, they're pretty uninspired and don't pair up well with any of his (admittedly pretty bad) other add-ons.

    These two things at least give you the ability to pair them up with the other add-ons and gives them a lot more utilization. It also makes what I think ALL Ultra Rare add-ons should do: change up the Killer in a fundamental way.

    Now if you wanted me to really go over the top, I would just do this instead:

    Obsidian Goblet

    • Tremendously increases the duration at which you can perform Rites of Judgement.
    • Tremendously increases the duration Rites of Judgement trails stay on the Trial.
    • Moderately reduces the recharge rate of Rites of Judgement.
    • Rites of Judgement trails now have solid collision for Survivors, but will no longer cause Survivors to be Tormented.
    • When a trail is in front of a vault location, the vault location itself is completely disabled.

    And you know what? This would still fit the theme of Pyramid Head: He's guiding Survivors to pain, punishment and ultimate judgement the likes they have never seen before by cutting off where they can go.

    This would be over the top, but it would be fitting, still.

  • @Vulgun said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2463551#Comment_2463551

    I feel both are either mediocre or just too bad. Plus, they're pretty uninspired and don't pair up well with any of his (admittedly pretty bad) other add-ons.

    These two things at least give you the ability to pair them up with the other add-ons and gives them a lot more utilization. It also makes what I think ALL Ultra Rare add-ons should do: change up the Killer in a fundamental way.

    Now if you wanted me to really go over the top, I would just do this instead:

    Obsidian Goblet

    • Tremendously increases the duration at which you can perform Rites of Judgement.
    • Tremendously increases the duration Rites of Judgement trails stay on the Trial.
    • Moderately reduces the recharge rate of Rites of Judgement.
    • Rites of Judgement trails now have solid collision for Survivors, but will no longer cause Survivors to be Tormented.
    • When a trail is in front of a vault location, the vault location itself is completely disabled.

    And you know what? This would still fit the theme of Pyramid Head: He's guiding Survivors to pain, punishment and ultimate judgement the likes they have never seen before by cutting off where they can go.

    This would be over the top, but it would be fitting, still.

    To me, that just looks like Iridescent King but on Pyramid Head, which is about as uninspired as add-ons get (not saying yours is uninspired; like you said, it’s pretty over the top).

  • Pyramid Head needs better addons in general. I only see range and Increased time. As for the iridescents.

    Obsidian Goblet: I think that while placing rites of judgement he goes undetectable makes sense. Never made sense why the devs didn't do that imo. The increase duration I can agree with, kinda need to with how the addon works. I think the range shouldn't be increased but rather decreased. The cooldown Is something I also disagree with, maybe make it so they have to have a minimum amount of rites available to perform rites of judgement.

    Iridescent seal of metatron: That seems like a lot of effects. I think that the aura reveal can maybe, MAYBE, be a purple addon. I feel like it should just reveal everyone rather then the tormented besides the caged cause the devs wanna avoid that. The second part with the saver not losing torment is fine.

  • I think Obsidian Goblet should be an add-on that allows you to see the auras of the trails that appear from tormented survivors from a 16m radius. If that's too powerful, maybe have it show them from an unlimited range, but remove PH's ability to cage and kill survivors.

    Seal of Metatron is fine as it is IMO.

  • @RenRen said:

    Pyramid Head needs better addons in general. I only see range and Increased time. As for the iridescents.

    Obsidian Goblet: I think that while placing rites of judgement he goes undetectable makes sense. Never made sense why the devs didn't do that imo. The increase duration I can agree with, kinda need to with how the addon works. I think the range shouldn't be increased but rather decreased. The cooldown Is something I also disagree with, maybe make it so they have to have a minimum amount of rites available to perform rites of judgement.

    Iridescent seal of metatron: That seems like a lot of effects. I think that the aura reveal can maybe, MAYBE, be a purple addon. I feel like it should just reveal everyone rather then the tormented besides the caged cause the devs wanna avoid that. The second part with the saver not losing torment is fine.

    Well, regarding the other add-ons in general, I have ideas for purple ones, too:

    Scarlet Egg

    • After using Punishment of the Damned, Rites of Judgement trails will appear where it was last used.
    • Survivors hit by Punishment of the Damned will also be Tormented.

    Rust-Colored Egg

    • Survivors affected by Rites of Judgement will suffer from the Oblivious Status Effect for 30 seconds.
    • Survivors hit by Punishment of the Damned while Tormented will suffer from the same Status Effect for 90 seconds.

    Lost Memories Book

    • When a Survivor is sent to a Cage of Atonement, the Aura of the Caged Survivor cannot be seen by other Survivors for 30 seconds.
    • During this time, the Aura of the Caged Survivor is visible to you.

    Crimson Ceremony Book

    • Considerably reduces the window of time The Executioner cannot attack after cancelling Rites of Judgement.
    • Survivors hit by a Basic Attack directly after The Executioner cancels Rites of Judgement will be afflicted with the Hemorrhage and Mangled Status Effects for 60 seconds.

    If you're curious about the last one; the last one reduces the window of time that Pyramid Head cannot act after releasing M2 from 1 second to 0.25 seconds, and performing a Basic Attack within a 3 second window of cancelling Rites of Judgement will count it as a "Special Attack", thus causing these status effects.

    It's basically giving Pyramid Head his old tech back in add-on form, and then some.

  • Imo Phead should not have range add-ons at all

  • Pyramid head honestly needs better everything regarding his addons. There are like, 6 of them max that are even somewhat usable.

  • You made goblet OP as it combined his best addons into one with new functionality on top of it. I agree his Ultra Rares are dogshit, but you overswung into opposite direction.

  • @Vulgun said:

    Lie seriously, it's probably better if he just ended up having the following:

    Obsidian Goblet

    • Tremendously increases the range of Punishment of the Damned.
    • Tremendously increases the duration at which you can perform Rites of Judgement.
    • Whenever The Executioner performs Rites of Judgement, he gains the Undetectable Status Effect for as long as he holds the Power.
    • After releasing Rites of Judgement, the effect goes on cooldown for 15 seconds.

    Iridescent Seal of Metatron

    • Whenever a Survivor steps on a Rites of Judgement trail, their Aura will be revealed to The Executioner for as long as they stand on top of it, and an additional 3 seconds after leaving it.
      • This effect is increased when running Killer Instinct duration add-ons.
    • Survivors afflicted with Torment will have their Auras revealed to The Executioner for 6 seconds whenever another Survivor is sent to a Cage of Atonement.
    • Whenever a Tormented Survivor rescues someone from the Cage of Atonement, only the rescued Survivor will have the ailment removed.

    These would at least be something to give Pyramid Head. He's already a strong Killer as it is, but his add-ons are some of the weakest ones in the game, even compared to his contemporaries like Oni, Spirit, Blight and Nurse, who all have fairly decent add-ons and Ultra Rares.

    These new add-ons for him would just actually give people a reason to start using his add-ons, even if they have to be Ultra Rares. These add-ons would also pair up perfectly with many, many of his other add-ons and would allow him to make some very interesting and wonderful builds not seen before with his current Ultra Rare add-ons.

    This could be fun and would impose a new strategy upon Survivors and Pyramid Head alike that people might like. A challenge during chase as Survivor, and a way to really kick things up a notch for the Killer.

    Would appreciate knowing what Tremendously is. BHVR just throws those words on, I've seen Slightly used for 50% lol.

    Also, Goblet would be great but I don't think those effects need to go together tbh. Seal is the same thing. Those effects are too strong together, but alone they're not Ultra Rares. Here's what I did:

    • Change Obsidian Goblet to make the Executioner become Undetectable for 20s after using Final Judgement or sending a survivor to a Cage of Atonement.
    • Change Iridescent Seal of Metatron to inflict the Exposed Status Effect for 60s on any survivor who rescues a survivor from a Cage of Atonement. Make the rescuer scream and reveal their Aura for 5s.

    Bonus, here's the rest of his add-ons:

    • Change Scarlet Egg to both reveal survivors' Auras and highlight them with Killer Instinct while they walk or run through his trails and for 4s after.
    • Change Rust-Coloured Egg to reveal all survivors’ Auras for 5s after sending a survivor to a Cage of Atonement or using Final Judgement.
    • Buff Lost Memories Book to 60s and add Blindness too.
    • Change Punishment range add-ons to 0.75, 1.5, and 2.25m respectively. This reduces the need to run two of these add-ons together.
    • Change Crimson Ceremony Book to increase Punishment range by 3m.
  • @Vulgun said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2464043#Comment_2464043

    Well, regarding the other add-ons in general, I have ideas for purple ones, too:

    Scarlet Egg

    • After using Punishment of the Damned, Rites of Judgement trails will appear where it was last used.
    • Survivors hit by Punishment of the Damned will also be Tormented.

    Rust-Colored Egg

    • Survivors affected by Rites of Judgement will suffer from the Oblivious Status Effect for 30 seconds.
    • Survivors hit by Punishment of the Damned while Tormented will suffer from the same Status Effect for 90 seconds.

    Lost Memories Book

    • When a Survivor is sent to a Cage of Atonement, the Aura of the Caged Survivor cannot be seen by other Survivors for 30 seconds.
    • During this time, the Aura of the Caged Survivor is visible to you.

    Crimson Ceremony Book

    • Considerably reduces the window of time The Executioner cannot attack after cancelling Rites of Judgement.
    • Survivors hit by a Basic Attack directly after The Executioner cancels Rites of Judgement will be afflicted with the Hemorrhage and Mangled Status Effects for 60 seconds.

    If you're curious about the last one; the last one reduces the window of time that Pyramid Head cannot act after releasing M2 from 1 second to 0.25 seconds, and performing a Basic Attack within a 3 second window of cancelling Rites of Judgement will count it as a "Special Attack", thus causing these status effects.

    It's basically giving Pyramid Head his old tech back in add-on form, and then some.

    Scarlet Egg doesn't seem very strong and doesn't make a lot of practical sense.

    Rust-Coloured Egg would be pretty strong

    Lost Memories Book would be pretty bad, and encourages camping.

    Crimson Ceremony Book, depending on what the exact number is, could be problematic. 0.3s is probably plenty. They got rid of it for a reason. Perhaps just change this one The effects should also be applied till healed.

  • @Tekno_Badger said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/276456/pyramid-head-needs-better-ultra-rares

    Would appreciate knowing what Tremendously is. BHVR just throws those words on, I've seen Slightly used for 50% lol.

    Also, Goblet would be great but I don't think those effects need to go together tbh. Seal is the same thing. Those effects are too strong together, but alone they're not Ultra Rares. Here's what I did:

    • Change Obsidian Goblet to make the Executioner become Undetectable for 20s after using Final Judgement or sending a survivor to a Cage of Atonement.
    • Change Iridescent Seal of Metatron to inflict the Exposed Status Effect for 60s on any survivor who rescues a survivor from a Cage of Atonement. Make the rescuer scream and reveal their Aura for 5s.

    Bonus, here's the rest of his add-ons:

    • Change Scarlet Egg to both reveal survivors' Auras and highlight them with Killer Instinct while they walk or run through his trails and for 4s after.
    • Change Rust-Coloured Egg to reveal all survivors’ Auras for 5s after sending a survivor to a Cage of Atonement or using Final Judgement.
    • Buff Lost Memories Book to 60s and add Blindness too.
    • Change Punishment range add-ons to 0.75, 1.5, and 2.25m respectively. This reduces the need to run two of these add-ons together.
    • Change Crimson Ceremony Book to increase Punishment range by 3m.

    The reason Obsidian Goblet has what it has is because of the fact Pyramid Head needs a way to get in close while being undetected. He has a very loud and noticeable dragging sound during his animation, so to compensate, he should have a PotD range that makes sure Survivors can just barely hear him coming until he unleashes it.

    The Seal of Metatron add-on, however, doesn't have too much to make it powerful. It grants Pyramid Head aura-reading capabilities when Survivors are on top of his trails and are tormented while someone is caged. Yes, it also removes the ability for Tormented Survivors to get rid of their own Torment by uncaging, but that's just to make the add-on actually work as intended. If you want to dodge the whole aura-reading part, do what you always do and go around the trails.

    Also, I avoided trying to give any of his add-ons the Exposed Status Effect solely because it just doesn't fit him.

    Also, also, tremendously increasing or reducing means that it's changed by a gigantic margin.

    @Tekno_Badger said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2464192#Comment_2464192

    Scarlet Egg doesn't seem very strong and doesn't make a lot of practical sense.

    Rust-Coloured Egg would be pretty strong

    Lost Memories Book would be pretty bad, and encourages camping.

    Crimson Ceremony Book, depending on what the exact number is, could be problematic. 0.3s is probably plenty. They got rid of it for a reason. Perhaps just change this one The effects should also be applied till healed.

    Let's put it like this; if you use Punishment of the Damned with Scarlet Egg + Burning Man Painting near areas that have two walls close to each other, then you can effectively cut off Survivors from going to a specific area since they want to avoid Torment. This also rewards Pyramid Head with good shots by tormenting Survivors on hit with PotD.

    Rust-Colored Egg would be very strong, but I will add on that the effect doesn't stack and only resets. So again, you're rewarded for making good plays and good shots. This would actually be perfect paired with Scarlet Egg.

    Nah, removing the ability for Survivors to see the auras of cages is huge; it guarantees the progression will go down and puts other Survivors out of position just so you can capitalize on that. Plus, if you finally notice someone going for the cage, you go for them, too.

    The exact reduction is by 0.75 seconds on Crimson Ceremony Book. And during this, I will add on that the attack will count as a "Special Attack" and not a "Basic Attack", since otherwise it would be a little too powerful since it would just combo into basically anything that procs by Basic Attack. It would be powerful, yes, but considering it's a Very Rare add-on and the fact that the tech was actually kind of fun, I think it should be given this.

    @Ssajbambusa said:

    You made goblet OP as it combined his best addons into one with new functionality on top of it. I agree his Ultra Rares are dogshit, but you overswung into opposite direction.

    Which version? The over-the-top one or the one in the OP? The one in the OP doesn't seem all too bad.

  • @Vulgun said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2464315#Comment_2464315

    The reason Obsidian Goblet has what it has is because of the fact Pyramid Head needs a way to get in close while being undetected. He has a very loud and noticeable dragging sound during his animation, so to compensate, he should have a PotD range that makes sure Survivors can just barely hear him coming until he unleashes it.

    The Seal of Metatron add-on, however, doesn't have too much to make it powerful. It grants Pyramid Head aura-reading capabilities when Survivors are on top of his trails and are tormented while someone is caged. Yes, it also removes the ability for Tormented Survivors to get rid of their own Torment by uncaging, but that's just to make the add-on actually work as intended. If you want to dodge the whole aura-reading part, do what you always do and go around the trails.

    Also, I avoided trying to give any of his add-ons the Exposed Status Effect solely because it just doesn't fit him.

    Also, also, tremendously increasing or reducing means that it's changed by a gigantic margin.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2464317#Comment_2464317

    Let's put it like this; if you use Punishment of the Damned with Scarlet Egg + Burning Man Painting near areas that have two walls close to each other, then you can effectively cut off Survivors from going to a specific area since they want to avoid Torment. This also rewards Pyramid Head with good shots by tormenting Survivors on hit with PotD.

    Rust-Colored Egg would be very strong, but I will add on that the effect doesn't stack and only resets. So again, you're rewarded for making good plays and good shots. This would actually be perfect paired with Scarlet Egg.

    Nah, removing the ability for Survivors to see the auras of cages is huge; it guarantees the progression will go down and puts other Survivors out of position just so you can capitalize on that. Plus, if you finally notice someone going for the cage, you go for them, too.

    The exact reduction is by 0.75 seconds on Crimson Ceremony Book. And during this, I will add on that the attack will count as a "Special Attack" and not a "Basic Attack", since otherwise it would be a little too powerful since it would just combo into basically anything that procs by Basic Attack. It would be powerful, yes, but considering it's a Very Rare add-on and the fact that the tech was actually kind of fun, I think it should be given this.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2464273#Comment_2464273

    Which version? The over-the-top one or the one in the OP? The one in the OP doesn't seem all too bad.

    Range add-ons are already his most powerful so like I said, depends on the exact number. Tremendously means absolutely nothing. Even then, the Undetectable effect could be used for pretty much half the trial, and there's nothing even close to that level in the game. Combining the 2 is unrealistic.

    The 2 main Metatron effects appart are Purple add-ons, together they're too strong. It's a strong Aura reading effect for chases on the killer with an attack that goes through walls, AND a slightly lesser BBQ.

    Scarlet Egg isn't incredibly useful, because you shouldn't ever use the ranged attack to block people given the 2.25s cooldown, and the Tormented effect would be redundant considering the first effect would already put them in a trail if they're hit. I like the 2nd effect but the 1st just needs to be changed.

    Rust-Coloured Egg would be fine, I imagine the exact numbers might be tweaked.

    Again, Lost Memories Book is incredibly unhealthy and just encourages boring and skill-less gameplay.

    0.75s for Crimson Ceremony Book would be absolutely overpowered. I don't think his cooldown was that short even before the nerf, and again, they got rid of it for a reason

  • @Vulgun said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2464043#Comment_2464043

    Well, regarding the other add-ons in general, I have ideas for purple ones, too:

    Scarlet Egg

    • After using Punishment of the Damned, Rites of Judgement trails will appear where it was last used.
    • Survivors hit by Punishment of the Damned will also be Tormented.

    Rust-Colored Egg

    • Survivors affected by Rites of Judgement will suffer from the Oblivious Status Effect for 30 seconds.
    • Survivors hit by Punishment of the Damned while Tormented will suffer from the same Status Effect for 90 seconds.

    Lost Memories Book

    • When a Survivor is sent to a Cage of Atonement, the Aura of the Caged Survivor cannot be seen by other Survivors for 30 seconds.
    • During this time, the Aura of the Caged Survivor is visible to you.

    Crimson Ceremony Book

    • Considerably reduces the window of time The Executioner cannot attack after cancelling Rites of Judgement.
    • Survivors hit by a Basic Attack directly after The Executioner cancels Rites of Judgement will be afflicted with the Hemorrhage and Mangled Status Effects for 60 seconds.

    If you're curious about the last one; the last one reduces the window of time that Pyramid Head cannot act after releasing M2 from 1 second to 0.25 seconds, and performing a Basic Attack within a 3 second window of cancelling Rites of Judgement will count it as a "Special Attack", thus causing these status effects.

    It's basically giving Pyramid Head his old tech back in add-on form, and then some.

    totally agree with this, his addons are horrible