Which is the weakest kiler in game?
According to you which is the weakest killer? Which killer(s) should devs buff? Is your choice of weakest killer applicable for all ranks or red ranks/skilled survivors only?
Edit:I pressed the post button without adding others option by mistake. Please comment for other killers.
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You are just using my words to frame your own argument even if I have already answered it. Less people play trapper and even lesser play him well that's why people think of him as lowest tier but in reality he is not. Against swf every killer will have some difficulty and trapper is no exception to it, but that doesn't make him any less capable against swf(good or not).
Well Trapper is also RNG based. I cannot wait for the devs to make the RNG less random. Same with pig. I'm always getting the trap off at the last box and i usually don't get off a bear trap even after 5-6 tries... and when i play killer it's the opposite they seems to get super lucky
Yes Trapper have is power disabled easily but he now can reset his traps in 2 secs and they cannot get sabotaged anymore (thank the Entity for that ! that was awful). But same can be said to the Plague that get her power disable after a single pallet stun.
But i agree Trapper is weak too. Well kinda like Plague, weak on unexperienced hands and very strong on good hands !
Good points you made there. I would like to add one thing that pig's reverse bear traps are completely randomised but trapper's escape attempts have some probability built onto them. So escaping pig's rev bear traps is purely luck based so survivors can be really lucky or extremly unlucky but in trapper's traps you are a little bit less likely to escape on first 3 attempts compared to the next 3 attempts.
oh i didn't know about Trapper ! that's good to know, i'm kinda wishing devs didn't take away the escape chance from Slippery meat, coz i'm extremely unlucky when it comes to bear trap. Yesterday i got trapped when the Trapper was chasing someone else at the other side of the map. When he heard me get trap he left the chase and went back for me. After 6 attemps i was still trapped and he downed me. He had no addons that affected time to escape trap or attempts.
Max escape attempts is capped at 6 if trapper isn't using any addons. Are you sure you pressed the button 6 times? You may have miscalculated, if not then it may be a bug. If you have friends you can test it out with them. Patch 4.5 mentions max escape attempts without addons as 6.
Also I read again about bear trap escape attempts and in the patch notes it says 16.6% escape chance on each attempt although in dev diary update it says what I wrote above(about chances instead of escape %).
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/274-4-5-0-mid-chapter
I guess you missed that part where I said that all her other weaknesses could be forgiven if her power worked like every other power in the game and showed you what hits and what doesn't, and how playing her feels terrible because you're just straight up being lied to by the graphic design.
I agree Trapper's weak and all that, but at least you can trap up loops, and when they're set, they're set. The hit box for 'em ought to be bigger too, but it still works as advertised (most of the time)
I compared Myers to Oni because they are similar not because of their mobility, but because they both need to do something in order to use their power at its peak. Also, both of them are regarded as snowball killers, which means their gameplay centers around using the most usage of their power to end the game as quickly as possible. I really do think that Myers's smaller terror radius doesn't make him a stealth killer from beginning to end, but rather a tool that he can use to get stalk more effectively, as it would be extremely difficult to stalk if survivors can constantly hear you terror radius. But ok, since you want to put Myers as a stealth killer, let me compare him to his other mates, Ghostface, Pig, and Wraith. Wraith goes for a full hit and run playstyle, which gets stronger with his high mobility and invisibility, a thing that no other killer has. The Pig has a low stance when she is crouched, which on top of having no terror radius at all makes her harder to see. Also, she can do a dash attack and use bear traps to slow the game down.
So, out of these 3, Ghostface is the one who gets the most similarities from Myers, since they both are stealth killers. First of all, Ghostface's stealth is very superior to Myers. He has no terror radius, has a much lower stance, and can also crouch and lean over covers to stalk. Having no terror radius not only makes him much more effective when stalking but also when trying to hit an unaware survivor. Myers is a two meters tall man with no ability to make his stance lower neither suppress his terror radius to get a free hit. If you got surprised by a tier 2 Myers, it is absolutely your fault. Then for stalking. Ghostface's stalk fills only for each survivor that he is stalking, which gives him more freedom to when to go for each victim. Also, Ghostface's exposed meter fills much quicker than Myers, and even quicker if he is leaning from a cover. Myers's stalk meter is universal for every survivor, which means that if he pops his tier three, all the other survivors can react to that by playing immersed or safe while his power is active. A good survivor team will know how to act when a Myers has gained tier 3, making sure he wastes his peak getting two downs at best. At the end of the day, Ghostface can get as many instadowns stalking much less and more effectively. So comparing those two, there is absolutely no reason to play Myers when you can play Ghostface, unless you want to play Myers as a snowball killer, which also has much better competitors than himself. In the end, Myers ends up being incompetent as a stealth killer and as a snowball killer.
Well, it's basically a general agreement between the community that Myers is one of the weakest killers in the game. Most people will agree that he is outdated and a bottom tier, much more than Plague and Twins at least. So I don't think that it is fair not putting Myers in this list as so many players have already brought up his problems.
Now, let me debate your explanations why you think that the other killers could possibly be the worst.
The Twins are the single best sluggers in the game. When all survivors are injured, Victor can just down all survivors in a blink of eye. This is due to two reasons, the first being his sheer speed and the second the fact that even tho his attacks are dodgeable, it is extremely difficult doing so against a good Twins. Even I who don't play them all the time can get 80% of my pounces landing. Of course, they have some weaknesses, such as lockers, being vulnerable after downing a survivor with Victor, and the amount of time that gets to hook a survivor. However, they are still strong just by how good Victor can be in chase.
For the Plague, all your arguments that you used to justify her placement can also be said about Huntress. Huntress's hitboxes are also inconsistent and indoor maps give her even a harder time since she is a 110% killer. The only thing that I do agree is that it indeed take some time to injure a survivor with Vile Purge, but normally as a Plague, you will just infect survivors instead of trying to make them broken and get a free down. A Plague without Vile Purge addons will only try to fully infect survivors if they are out in the open. Also, I would like to note that Plague with her Corrupt Purge is the single strongest projectile killer in the game with no doubt.
While I do agree that Demo has a problem of being very loud, it doesn't hurt him so much since he is not meant to be a full stealth killer. For the other part, I would like to state that just because the shred can be dodged, it doesn't mean it's weak, as Huntress's hatchets can as well. Using your shred depends on the situation, as sometimes is a lifesaver and in others is useless.
For the Legion, I very much disagree. Juking almost never works against a Legion and if it works, it is his fault. Yes, sometimes you will not be able to get all 4 survivors in a single usage of your power, but that only depends on how far they are on each other. The thing is, if you don't have any duration addons and don't see any other survivor with your killer instinct, you should just cancel you power and go for the survivor that is already injured. Your Feral Frenzy has relatively a small cooldown for what it does, so losing your power is not a big deal.
The Pig can indeed suffer from good loopers, but that is not a problem that only she has as basically every other M1 killer suffers as well and this includes Ghostface, Myers, and so on. Her traps on the other hand, even though RNG-based, will give you at least some seconds in the game, which at the worst case is still something. If you get lucky, then you are good to go, if you don't at least you have gained something.
For Wraith, I think that his longer lunge compensates for his loud bell and slow uncloaking since his gameplay is based around getting survivors out positioned. I do think he should get a faster uncloaking buff though.
The new update gave him a tool that he can use in situations that he can't hit a pink bottle. So even if the survivors are too far away and can't be slowed, Clown can now simply speed up himself. Yes he indeed lacks map pressure, but since his anti loop is very good, it ends up being not so bad to the point of making him the worst killer.
Well, everything you just said about Trapper can be said about Myers xD. OoO wrecks them both, they only get stronger from mid to late game and they lack any map pressure at the start of the game.
Pig due to being the most rng dependent that your skill level doesn't matter if fate is against you.
Also, she is the only killer with a useless power after last gen is complete.
You must be joking right? You are comparing an A tier killer to a B or C tier killer? Does map mobility not mean anything? Oni is a loud beast and he can get his power very easily and throughout the match plus he can dash to any gen he wants to. You cannot ignore that. Myers is a pure m1 killer, oni can dash and strike using his power. Also snowballing is not something which you can always have, almost all killers have some snowball potential so snowballing cannnot be used as a criteria to compare killers. Playstyle is used to compare killers usually.
His small terror radius does matter. Suppose you are working on a gen and considering how spine chill isn't much used at higher ranks, michael can quickly creep up close to you and with monitor and abuse you won't even know when he came up so close to you. Myers depends on perks to make him strong, without that he is somewhat weaker but not too weak. He relies on your m1 killer skills to grab any benefit out of it.
I would say myers is a unique killer. You can compare him to ghostface but their powers work quite differently. Michael's power requires him to stalk survivors from a distance and he can be seen while he is doing that while ghostface can crouch and use his nightshroud to suppress his terror radius. But don't forget it's easy to get ghostface out of his night shroud. He has to mark survivors while in night shroud and if anyone reveals him then his power is gone, which is easy to do so. On higher ranks ghostface night shroud doesn't work half the time and is many a times useless. His lean power is not perfect nor usable on all surfaces. He doesn't remain on 0 terror radius throughout the game as well. Myers doesn't need to hide himself much during stalking whereas ghostface has to. Ghostface maybe good on lower ranks but suffers a lot on higher ranks. Michael is an omnipotent threat while ghostface occassionally poses a threat. You can hide from shape only for sometime. If he has infectious fright, bbq, whispers,spies etc he can easily detect you. You are underestimating myers a lot. It takes a lot of time to get good with him, only then can you stomp strong survivors. Trust me, I have played with him and I know how much survivors underestimate him but then end up dying on the hook in the end. Calling shape incompetent reflects your minndset and hatred for him. People don't know how to play myers so they place him on the lowest spot, that I know. Michael may be on the lower tiers but certainly he is not garbage as you think him to be.
I think every killer is strong for you except myers and trapper. I made the list keeping in mind which killers people say as belonging to bottom tier or quite weak compared to others. Myers is not on the list because often times people don't know how to play him optimally and then complain that he is weak. He belongs to c tier and not the lowest d tier(b tier with some addons). For trapper also you underestimate him, that happens because people usually go against bad trappers and then make an image about him that he is weak. His traps should not be underestimated even by swf. I already explained how good trappers adjust their playstyles to compete against good survivors or even swf. I have already explained in detail in previous comments to others how trapper is underestimated and how he can be made strong in the right hands. At the end of the day trapper is a strategic and m1 killer.
Rest I didn't ask you to explain to me how killers on list are strong. The killers on list have their weaknesses too which other players know and which is why they are weak in their opinion. If you say every killer is strong then you shouldn't have commented on this list if you are so confident for every killer except two.
I just mentioned possible weaknesses the above killers have due to which people think them to be weak. For you every killer is strong for others it's not. This poll is not meant to show how strong above killers are but how weak they can be for average players and high rank players too.
Rest I would like to correct you about wraith, legion and plague. Wraith's lunge is not long you are mistaken. He gets a small speed buff after uncloaking not lunge. Plague has a projectile system and it works like a wave which is unique to a killer, it's not comparable to huntress hatchets at all. You must be joking, right, to compare huntress hitbox to plague? Huntress hatchets hitbox is 100 times more effective then plague's vomit and deathslinger's harpoon, also hatchet hitbox being large as well. Huntress is an A tier killer in right hands. Plague is often brought up by people among list of weaker killers therefore she is on list. Also regarding twins I already said I think she may be strong but many people also bring her up in list of weaker killers so I put her up. Some extra points against Pig i would say: she can be easily be countered by strong survivors, your dash attack can be countered by simply running away from the loop, while crouching you move slower as well. If luck is not on your side all survivors will get off their traps at first box itself. For average survivors pig is really weak due to poor map control and rng as well. Rest she maybe strong in the right hands but people often bring her up in list of weaker killers therefore she is on list.
Regarding legion, you really need to ask legion mains why although they love legion but really hate it's power. Feral frenzy is very weak due to many reasons. You only get to use it if bar is full, getting bar full takes a good amount of time, a single miss is enough to take you out of your frenzy,frenzy duration being short, his fatigue after dashing being too long etc. Aside for slowdown with some perks feral frenzy does nothing against strong to average survivors. Without feral frenzy legion is an m1 killer at the end of the day. His power really doesn't help him most of the times and instead actually harms him. Juking does work against legion, I am not joking. His lunge is smaller than a normal lunge in frenzy and missing even once spells doom for him. There are n no. of ways to counter his frenzy. His power is best used as slowing down the game if you use thana and catching up to survivors(only for them to run away at the end of it due to his long cooldown,frenzy cooldown being longer than wraith's uncloaking). For the average player legion is a weak killer whose power harms him more than helping him and is easily counterable as well. Therefore I would say legion is a weak killer and weakest killer for me.
To be honest, clown would be the weakest. His bottles are not really a good thing only for cutting chases however that is about it. They are not useful as they were and clown is also really annoying to play against. His movement speed doesnt help either
First of all, in my first post I said that I find Oni pretty weak, definitely not bottom tier but weak nonetheless. I also stated that having his mobility puts him above Myers in that regard but I didn't compare them as killers because of that but in spite of that. I did compare them however because they are both killers that follow the logic of "gaining your power once and now you are a threat to all survivors and can snowball better than most killers". That much you can't deny that they are similar, as you are not going to spend an entire Myers game without stalking and neither an entire Oni game without going into Blood Fury. Also, the fact that both killers have Infectious Fright as one of their mandatory perks proves that they do go for the same snowball playstyle to get most usage of their peaks of power.
First of all, Spine Chill isn't used that much in higher because survivors are aware of their surroundings. The lack of Spine Chill doesn't make Myers strong, as every competent survivor will know to look for a Myers creeping onto them, after all, even with Monitor, he still has a terror radius and unlikely other stealth killers, Myers is tall and easy to see with no other tool to hide him. Perks do make him at least a bit less weak, but the fact that he has to dedicate a perk slot to Monitor and Abuse and still is far away to become a monster only proves how limited he is.
About Ghostface, let me ask you a very honest question: What is the point of being spotted stalking and not lose your power? Myers does not lose his power, but what can he do about it if the survivor can just go for a cover to protect him from being stalked. Also, if he is really supposed to be a stealth killer, being spotted should be his priority, so if a survivor has noticed you and started running, then your stealth attempt has completely failed in the first place. I would like to note that even if Ghostface loses his Night Shroud, the the stalk meter of each survivor won't disappear unless he hits them, in which case, what would be the point of getting an exposed effect in the first place? Good Ghostfaces know how to crouch and lean effectively and even if they don't decide to stalk, trying to play the hit and run Ghostface, they will still get injures more easily than Myers ever could, since his stealth ability is much superior. It's a fact that Ghostface struggles with a top% SWF, but so does Myers. If survivors got cocky and underestimated a killer, then it's their fault that they got killed and this applies to every killer. And I honestly don't know where did you come from saying that I hate Myers, because if I truly hated him I wouldn't be asking for a full rework Freddy style for him. I just stated that he is incompetent simply because that's a fact that most of the community agrees on. Think about it, as a snowball killer, every other option is better and as a stealth killer, every other option is better as well. It is not personal, I am just stating the reality.
I do not think that every other killer other than Myers and Trapper is strong and viable. Wraith, Clown and Pig are far from it. I am just stating their redeemable qualities that make them unique and at least a little bit competent on their own way. If you are just saying that you can't put Myers on the list because you think that people don't know how to play him properly based on your own experience, then anyone can make the same argument with every other killer on the list. Myers is indeed regarded as bottom tier killer by a lot of people and ignoring that because you play him a lot and you love him is simply being in denial. For Trapper, as a strategic map control killer, my problem with him is that his set up time is ridiculously slow and unnecessary, especially when compared to Hag, not only that but he has so much counterplay that it doesn't justify the time that he has to put in placing his traps. Unlike Myers, I do not think he needs a full rework as his identity is pretty well established and it just needs some buffs to make him work. I would suggest giving more available traps in the map, increase his trap set up speed and increasing the number of traps he can carry. With only these three buffs, I think he would be able to achieve Hag levels of strength.
For the rest of the killers, I will not debate about it because for almost every one of them you brought a valid weakness. However, this is a comparative poll and everything I can say to back up my opinion is say that, although their weak points, Myers still has far more weaknesses and are far more abusable. The only thing that I would like to argue about is my comparison of Plague and Huntress. In my humble opinion, Plague is far more strong than Huntress in every sense but let's discuss hitboxes. With your argument, I do believe that you think that having a big and fat hatchet hitbox is an advantage when actually it is not. Having a big hitbox means that your shots are more susceptible to not pass above, under or between objects. On a simple two garbage piles and a pallet loop, a Deathslinger and Plague may be able to hit the survivor with their power by aiming above the objects while Huntress cannot. The only situation where a bigger hitbox actually benefits you is when a survivor is running in the open with no obstacles in the way. The problem with this is that this large would be unnecessary if you could shot faster, your projectile was quicker and your aim was perfect, which is exactly what Deathslinger does. As for Plague, her projectile is a stream of vomit, so you can spray it and the survivor will have no way of dodging it unless they go for a solid cover.
Dude, you look new to the game. Please try to bait someone else. Saying ONI IS WEAK tell me straightaway that you are new! Go try baiting someone else. I won't argue with you, because your opinions are all crazy, you have a very unique opinion on everything. Spare your time and please don't bother explaining to me your points because you don't even know what you are saying. Nobody asked you why every killer is strong in the list or what strengths they have but still you mentioned all points straightaway in your first comment. Then when I said this list is made to see weakness of killers you keep explaining to me how they are strong in your second comment. Myers is dependent on your m1 killer skills and right perk combination, with that he is devastating even against good swf. You think m&a is weak on myers? You must be joking right? You cannot always see myers in your line of sight on every map or in every place on map. He can spook you, without you knowing it, not all places have a 360° degree field of view! Myers is not bottom tier, period! Those who put him in bottom don't know how to play him. Try fooling someone else, if you don't know how to play him that doesn't make him weak, not all people say he is weak. Also you haven't met good huntresses therefore you think,she is comparable to plague which is outright crazy, they only have their throwable ability in common nothing else. Your opinion doesn't match with mine, so there is no point arguing here.
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