It's a worrying sign when a developer avoids legitimate arguments made against their decisions.

FootMan2893

I won't name any names, and this is valid criticism. This post will follow the rules and will have no reason why it should be moderated in anyway. But this really isn't a good thing to pull as a developer at all. A certain someone streams on twitch and he himself opens himself to the discussion by specifically asking for it in his title. So it's not like people are just unjustified in bothering him about this topic.

However when legitimate arguments or questions are asked that aren't just yes men comments he clearly avoids and ignores it.

We are sitting here with yet another game company that refuses to directly communicate with their community and even remotely try to defend clearly drastic and highly protested balance changes. This is NOT just the minority of the forums complaining, this is something that has some of your best players in the form of content creators and streams saying these changes shouldn't be happening. However BHVR continues to remain silent while they forcibly put changes into the game that no seems to want.

When you won't listen to forums, won't listen to high level players with the gameknowledge and experience to back their claims, and you won't listen to your content creators which are your only representation of your larger unvocal community, then what will you listen to? If every possible outlet for potentially gauging the community's opinion and receiving feedback from is ignored then there's nothing left.

When developers who open themselves to the public act the same way and ignores any opinions the community has, and ignore anything that doesn't suit them, what is that supposed to say about the company as a whole?

Again, you can't say he doesn't deserved to be bothered. The rest of the company is silent, ignoring anyone and everyone, or if there is some selective minority group that they DO actively communicate with and listen to then they aren't revealing them or making any claims to where their feedback is sourced from. Of course people are going to want to go to literally the only potential connection to the silent group so they can get the answers they want or a chance at making their opinions heard.

And again, he himself even asks for people to do this by opening his stream up to it by asking for it with his stream title.

So I ask you AGAIN, if this person completely avoids feedback that they don't like, and the rest of the company ignores every major outlet for community opinion, then where are players supposed to go and what are they supposed to do to actually be able to protest the changes don't like?

Todgeweiht

@Steel_Eyed said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1446192#Comment_1446192

Hillbilly already has drawbacks to his power. This nerf is adding a fifth or sixth drawback to his power.

What drawbacks besides that 4 second cooldown after failing or hitting a survivor?

JasmineDragon

Even if there was a balance issue, which there was not in the slightest, but everyone (literally 100%) of the people enjoyed the unbalanced issue, then why change it? I want to see an actual vote appear on the notifications. If they surveyed the community, and literally just asked the players if they liked : (OG Billy / PTB Billy / PTB Billy 2), what the results would be.

DrDeepwound

@Deadsea said:

1. Why would they listen to Streamers ? They are people that had nothing to do with the creation of the game. Some have put thousands of hours into the game. Here's their cookie ?

2. I'll say it again, devs don't have to do anything. They don't have to do events or change killers. They do this cause they actually listen to people. Many didn't like how Billy could curve corners and down people. I'm a Billy main and I hated this.

3. They are a lot better than many game companies. Microtransactions and forced dlc is at an all time high with many companies. Angry Joe lost his mind when Valorance added $100-$350 gun skins. Behavior gives maps away for free. You can experience every survivor and killer without paying a dime. You only have to pay to play as them. They charge money (at incredibly reasonable costs) cause they have to pay their team for overhead and for creating unique killers. They have to pay money from their pockets when it comes to licensed killers cause they don't own them. These are incredibly amazing traits when EA and Activision overcharges for $60 or more dlc.

STreamers are basically free game testers/promoters who spend so much time in the game they are indeed fostered. Look at some of the Fog Whispereer channels, theres like always a BHVR employee in their chats, in fact, sometimes they make the rounds and go on Twitch and go in ten channelsto introduce themselves and then lurk or leave after the "hey so and so can we get this changed" messages start flooding the channels.

Talmeer

@FootMan2893 said:

I won't name any names, and this is valid criticism. This post will follow the rules and will have no reason why it should be moderated in anyway. But this really isn't a good thing to pull as a developer at all. A certain someone streams on twitch and he himself opens himself to the discussion by specifically asking for it in his title. So it's not like people are just unjustified in bothering him about this topic.

However when legitimate arguments or questions are asked that aren't just yes men comments he clearly avoids and ignores it.

We are sitting here with yet another game company that refuses to directly communicate with their community and even remotely try to defend clearly drastic and highly protested balance changes. This is NOT just the minority of the forums complaining, this is something that has some of your best players in the form of content creators and streams saying these changes shouldn't be happening. However BHVR continues to remain silent while they forcibly put changes into the game that no seems to want.

When you won't listen to forums, won't listen to high level players with the gameknowledge and experience to back their claims, and you won't listen to your content creators which are your only representation of your larger unvocal community, then what will you listen to? If every possible outlet for potentially gauging the community's opinion and receiving feedback from is ignored then there's nothing left.

When developers who open themselves to the public act the same way and ignores any opinions the community has, and ignore anything that doesn't suit them, what is that supposed to say about the company as a whole?

Again, you can't say he doesn't deserved to be bothered. The rest of the company is silent, ignoring anyone and everyone, or if there is some selective minority group that they DO actively communicate with and listen to then they aren't revealing them or making any claims to where their feedback is sourced from. Of course people are going to want to go to literally the only potential connection to the silent group so they can get the answers they want or a chance at making their opinions heard.

And again, he himself even asks for people to do this by opening his stream up to it by asking for it with his stream title.

So I ask you AGAIN, if this person completely avoids feedback that they don't like, and the rest of the company ignores every major outlet for community opinion, then where are players supposed to go and what are they supposed to do to actually be able to protest the changes don't like?

I don't know from which person you talk, but that they resist to learn from expert players could already seen a long time ago.

I know that to the time of the Legion Rework, a ton of people debunked the myths entitled survivor mains and public-addicted streamers spread like venom in the community.

The effect was nothing.

Nothing at all.

It had only gone worse.

If bhvr decides to take the wrong turn, they will do it and if they ever give a comment to it, it will not sound as it would come from someone who is interested in changing his point of view.

*shrugs with his shoulders* If you continue playing DBD, you have to accept that they will need a looong time, to find back to a good path and with a long time, I mean long with a ton of o's :|.

Mandy

@FootMan2893 said:

I won't name any names, and this is valid criticism. This post will follow the rules and will have no reason why it should be moderated in anyway. But this really isn't a good thing to pull as a developer at all. A certain someone streams on twitch and he himself opens himself to the discussion by specifically asking for it in his title. So it's not like people are just unjustified in bothering him about this topic.

However when legitimate arguments or questions are asked that aren't just yes men comments he clearly avoids and ignores it.

We are sitting here with yet another game company that refuses to directly communicate with their community and even remotely try to defend clearly drastic and highly protested balance changes. This is NOT just the minority of the forums complaining, this is something that has some of your best players in the form of content creators and streams saying these changes shouldn't be happening. However BHVR continues to remain silent while they forcibly put changes into the game that no seems to want.

When you won't listen to forums, won't listen to high level players with the gameknowledge and experience to back their claims, and you won't listen to your content creators which are your only representation of your larger unvocal community, then what will you listen to? If every possible outlet for potentially gauging the community's opinion and receiving feedback from is ignored then there's nothing left.

When developers who open themselves to the public act the same way and ignores any opinions the community has, and ignore anything that doesn't suit them, what is that supposed to say about the company as a whole?

Again, you can't say he doesn't deserved to be bothered. The rest of the company is silent, ignoring anyone and everyone, or if there is some selective minority group that they DO actively communicate with and listen to then they aren't revealing them or making any claims to where their feedback is sourced from. Of course people are going to want to go to literally the only potential connection to the silent group so they can get the answers they want or a chance at making their opinions heard.

And again, he himself even asks for people to do this by opening his stream up to it by asking for it with his stream title.

So I ask you AGAIN, if this person completely avoids feedback that they don't like, and the rest of the company ignores every major outlet for community opinion, then where are players supposed to go and what are they supposed to do to actually be able to protest the changes don't like?

Firstly, when any of the Developers stream - It is in their own private time, on their own private streams, regardless of whether or not they have Developer in their title, so they are perfectly free to ignore comments. It is not their work hours, it's private time (emphasising that there!).

Secondly - you have an outlet for feedback, you used it to make this thread.

Thirdly - locking this right now