Why the game is going to be balanced in terms of SWF instead of solo playing

ArthurFiNCHr

Like in title, there is more solo players than swf groups so why all nerfs for survivors are based on swf?

Vietfox

ArthurFiNCHr said:

Like in title, there is more solo players than swf groups so why all nerfs for survivors are based on swf?

True, some people suggest stuff which is obviously focused on top tier swf groups, like anything else existed among survivors... Thats why i support the idea (other people does as well) of doing a minor nerf on survivors ONLY when the game detects it's a SWF group.

ArthurFiNCHr

@Vietfox said:
ArthurFiNCHr said:

Like in title, there is more solo players than swf groups so why all nerfs for survivors are based on swf?

True, some people suggest stuff which is obviously focused on top tier swf groups, like anything else existed among survivors... Thats why i support the idea (other people does as well) of doing a minor nerf on survivors ONLY when the game detects it's a SWF group.

That would be a little unfair, if you are playing with friends you got a harder game? No sense

Vietfox

ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Vietfox said:
ArthurFiNCHr said:

Like in title, there is more solo players than swf groups so why all nerfs for survivors are based on swf?

True, some people suggest stuff which is obviously focused on top tier swf groups, like anything else existed among survivors... Thats why i support the idea (other people does as well) of doing a minor nerf on survivors ONLY when the game detects it's a SWF group.

That would be a little unfair, if you are playing with friends you got a harder game? No sense

Well, u gotta admit that SWF has the advantage of using voice comms and prepare the perks for a fully functional team, something that doesnt happen with solo players, who have no clue about what's going on unless they run bond, empathy and stuff.
I'm not saying it would be a massive nerf, just a minor one to balance the game along with solo matches.

ChesterTheMolester

Its because the game was originally intended to be played only with solo survivors in mind and SWF was actually added after release, and because the game was designed around solo play it created balance issues as comms replace virtually all aura and info giving perks in the game.

In order to balance the game we got 2 options:

1. Remove SWF alltogether
2. Bring solos as close as possible to SWF and nerf survivors very hard.

The game is heading for option 2. You see it in the previous nerfs in chasing while giving more infos for solos like if the Obsession is in chase and making kindred part of the basekit

ArthurFiNCHr

@Vietfox said:
ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Vietfox said:

ArthurFiNCHr said:

Like in title, there is more solo players than swf groups so why all nerfs for survivors are based on swf?

True, some people suggest stuff which is obviously focused on top tier swf groups, like anything else existed among survivors... Thats why i support the idea (other people does as well) of doing a minor nerf on survivors ONLY when the game detects it's a SWF group.

That would be a little unfair, if you are playing with friends you got a harder game? No sense

Well, u gotta admit that SWF has the advantage of using voice comms and prepare the perks for a fully functional team, something that doesnt happen with solo players, who have no clue about what's going on unless they run bond, empathy and stuff.
I'm not saying it would be a massive nerf, just a minor one to balance the game along with solo matches.

They are maybe a little better in group's but i didn't ever notice that, i was rank one few times and really i was never even thinking like " ohhh they are maybe swf group.

Vietfox

ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Vietfox said:
ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Vietfox said:

ArthurFiNCHr said:

Like in title, there is more solo players than swf groups so why all nerfs for survivors are based on swf?

True, some people suggest stuff which is obviously focused on top tier swf groups, like anything else existed among survivors... Thats why i support the idea (other people does as well) of doing a minor nerf on survivors ONLY when the game detects it's a SWF group.

That would be a little unfair, if you are playing with friends you got a harder game? No sense

Well, u gotta admit that SWF has the advantage of using voice comms and prepare the perks for a fully functional team, something that doesnt happen with solo players, who have no clue about what's going on unless they run bond, empathy and stuff.
I'm not saying it would be a massive nerf, just a minor one to balance the game along with solo matches.

They are maybe a little better in group's but i didn't ever notice that, i was rank one few times and really i was never even thinking like " ohhh they are maybe swf group.

Good to meet other people who doesnt care if they have to play against a SWF group as well, i personally couldnt care less either.

ArthurFiNCHr

@ChesterTheMolester said:
Its because the game was originally intended to be played only with solo survivors in mind and SWF was actually added after release, and because the game was designed around solo play it created balance issues as comms replace virtually all aura and info giving perks in the game.

In order to balance the game we got 2 options:

1. Remove SWF alltogether
2. Bring solos as close as possible to SWF and nerf survivors very hard.

The game is heading for option 2. You see it in the previous nerfs in chasing while giving more infos for solos like if the Obsession is in chase and making kindred part of the basekit

You think we've got two choices, but it's not true, they would never remove SWF. DBD own SWF for like 30% or even more people playing their game. I am sure that SWF will never be removed, because it like say to their community " We do not want you anymore, you can leave. ". Some things which are getting nerfed was added way after SWF was available.

RepliCant

What about what they did to Smite?

Create a seperate casual and ranked modes, and only allow SWF in casual or vice versa. In smite, you can no longer play a ranked game unless you are Solo. I've seen dramatic improvements since then.

Maybe not the best solution though. Ideas, ideas.

My only problem with bringing Survivors to SWF level and then balancing around that.. may make being a solo player in this game a highly unappealing side to play.

To those who complain about balance, do you think the game is currently balanced when there's 4 solo players? Specifically want Killer mains opinions but any are welcomed. From my survivor perspective, whenever there's no SWF, the game seems to run at a give or take type scenario.

Visionmaker

What nerfs are you referring to?

Baphomett

Brady said:

What about what they did to Smite?

Create a seperate casual and ranked modes, and only allow SWF in casual or vice versa. In smite, you can no longer play a ranked game unless you are Solo. I've seen dramatic improvements since then.

Maybe not the best solution though. Ideas, ideas.

My only problem with bringing Survivors to SWF level and then balancing around that.. may make being a solo player in this game a highly unappealing side to play.

To those who complain about balance, do you think the game is currently balanced when there's 4 solo players? Specifically want Killer mains opinions but any are welcomed. From my survivor perspective, whenever there's no SWF, the game seems to run at a give or take type scenario.

I think the game is pretty balanced against 4 solo players, tbh.  I'm not a rank 1 killer, though.

That said, there really isnt an option to remove SWF, since you can't stop voice comms and it would just lead to the bad old days of survivors lobby dodging until they are matched with thier friends.

Making SWF in an unranked mode only would not matter much, since there is no reason to care about rank once you get the initial achievement.  It would end up being a ridiculous wait time for killers, as the majority would be in that queue and majority of survivors would be in the unranked queue.

Outland

@Baphomett said:
Brady said:

What about what they did to Smite?

Create a seperate casual and ranked modes, and only allow SWF in casual or vice versa. In smite, you can no longer play a ranked game unless you are Solo. I've seen dramatic improvements since then.

Maybe not the best solution though. Ideas, ideas.

My only problem with bringing Survivors to SWF level and then balancing around that.. may make being a solo player in this game a highly unappealing side to play.

To those who complain about balance, do you think the game is currently balanced when there's 4 solo players? Specifically want Killer mains opinions but any are welcomed. From my survivor perspective, whenever there's no SWF, the game seems to run at a give or take type scenario.

I think the game is pretty balanced against 4 solo players, tbh.  I'm not a rank 1 killer, though.

That said, there really isnt an option to remove SWF, since you can't stop voice comms and it would just lead to the bad old days of survivors lobby dodging until they are matched with thier friends.

Making SWF in an unranked mode only would not matter much, since there is no reason to care about rank once you get the initial achievement.  It would end up being a ridiculous wait time for killers, as the majority would be in that queue and majority of survivors would be in the unranked queue.

Do not forget the ridiculous wait times for the SWF groups because only a few Killers would even bother to play that side of things. So my prediction would be the SWF would break up to get to play at all, and some Killers might play the SWF if they found games hard to populate.

You can bet your butt that any solution that gives Killers an actual choice, would be a serious blow to the SWF side of things.

ArthurFiNCHr

@meshugganah said:
ArthurFiNCHr said:

Like in title, there is more solo players than swf groups so why all nerfs for survivors are based on swf?

what is the science this statement is based on?

That's what devs are saying lol

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PinkEricka

Vietfox said:

ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Vietfox said:
ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Vietfox said:

ArthurFiNCHr said:

Like in title, there is more solo players than swf groups so why all nerfs for survivors are based on swf?

True, some people suggest stuff which is obviously focused on top tier swf groups, like anything else existed among survivors... Thats why i support the idea (other people does as well) of doing a minor nerf on survivors ONLY when the game detects it's a SWF group.

That would be a little unfair, if you are playing with friends you got a harder game? No sense

Well, u gotta admit that SWF has the advantage of using voice comms and prepare the perks for a fully functional team, something that doesnt happen with solo players, who have no clue about what's going on unless they run bond, empathy and stuff.
I'm not saying it would be a massive nerf, just a minor one to balance the game along with solo matches.

They are maybe a little better in group's but i didn't ever notice that, i was rank one few times and really i was never even thinking like " ohhh they are maybe swf group.

Good to meet other people who doesnt care if they have to play against a SWF group as well, i personally couldnt care less either.

The only thing that I actually hate about SWF is that if you do anything to piss off one of them then you’ll get hate from the entire group lmao.