DS Balance idea, Gen times opinion
About DS: I guess the problem its not all about time he remains active cause 1: low time = killer not discouraged to chase you and wait to put you down and on the hook again. 2 : more time= killer getting DSed after chasing others, or founding you in a ramdom patrol. 60 seconds of DS is the standart time a chase takes on a uninjured survivor so its balanced.
The actual DS problem is getting saved with bt, taking a hit on purpose, getting down and not picked up by the killer, filling up the help bar and use unbreakable or getting saved for other survivor (its a 4 x 1 game).
To avoid that abuse we should do something like "while DS is active the survivor can only recover 40% till DS be used or desactivate".
My opinion on Gen time is that is nice time to do alone but too short for teams (with boxes or addons), regular teams repairing with nothing isnt broken cause the game already has a different gen time calcule to that situations so its faster but not like 2x speed. I guess we should at least for the perks make something like " the gens ignore more than 2 people prove thyself", or something like that.
Devs should hire testers or something like that to calculate the most balanced gen time while 4 people are repairing with everything. and fix accordingly the calculator based on the perks and addons of the survivors
The fun on the game will only be made being balanced, not nerfing or buffing too much everything, a survival game needs to have collateral effects on every decision of kit on the trial, and rare itens need to be rare cause they will not have collateral effects to the user.
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K, 60s of a usseles teammate.
It looks like you dont know that in DBD 1s is gold.
Now imagine 60s of basically being a bushdette.
You actually can be tunneled in that scenario.
You are hooked.
X survivor try to farm you in killer face without BT
X survivors get hits which cancels the unhook animation
X survivors unhook you
X survivors get downed
You dont have enough time to run since you just got unhooked and are injured
You will obviously go down (and it is a 100% if you are in basement)
Killers hooks the survivor that recently got down and boom your ds is gone.
"Balanced 0 tunneling adapt baby surv git gud"..................
Tunneling = ignoring everyone else to go for one person. If someone else has been chased, downed and hooked, you are not being tunneled. If you stay in the area, and are seen, downed and hooked, you are still not being tunneled. That is you being cocky and paying for it. Period.
The first effect is extreme, it will be the same as BT, where killers chase you, and counts 20s and then hit you, basically being tunneled "anti tunnel perk"
The second condition is just extremely bs, what if you are playing against a trapper and he is tunneling you and you are looping him and gets trapped?
your ds is gone, you get punished and the trapper gets rewarded for tunneling...?
The third condition can be trollish and contradicts with the first one, killers waits 20s and there ya go, ds is gone, and what if the guy who unhooked you is injured and you both are running in the same direction and then the killer down you.
You got punished and trolled by the other surv (without the intention obviously) and the killers rewarded for tunneling.
Once again the 4th condition, why should the killer be rewarded for tunneling you and failing while getting stunned?
We can as well make DS kills you when you spawn in the game.
Glad you know what tunneling is, sadly you cannot apply it to your DS balance idea.
And btw, instead of focusing in killing ds so hard, why dont we better focus on how to fix tunneling/camping, which is the problem of all? instead of crying so hard about ds..
The first is extreme - if you take at by itself and ignore the things that came after. Try again.
The second is not BS. If you're jumping into a locker, you're cocky. Just take the down and use your DS if it doesn't make a difference to you. It wastes more of the killers time. As for the trap - I consider stepping into a trap to be your own fault. if you step into a trap, you have only yourself to blame, and shouldn't be given a free escape for essentially downing yourself.
How could 3 be trollish, in the least? It literally says the timer freezes when in dying state. Why are you saying the killer would wait it out? Hello?
The 4th one more or less means if you don't want to be tunneled, get the hell away from the killer. I may say revoke the stun part, but as for unhooking, that's just as cocky as jumping into a locker to flex your invincibility.
Your points (or, psuedo points, cause they aren't valid points at all) scream "I need DS to survive!".
No, I absolutely can - I've thought it through, have had long discussions about it, and even been complimented on my ideas by certain people from BHVR. You just rely on DS; and that's okay. I understand.
As for "fixing tunneling and camping" - there's nothing to fix. Both are intended game mechanics. Is it necessarily fun for a survivor to be tunneled and camped? No - but it will never be fixed, because it's intended.
As for the trap - I consider stepping into a trap to be your own fault. if you step into a trap, you have only yourself to blame, and shouldn't be given a free escape for essentially downing yourself.
By that logic we can say as well that that opening a locker where a survivor is that has DS, is you're own fault.
And I gave you valid points, please read again you're "Balance" idea and see how the conditions contradict with other.
And I think we can already stop here, cause it seems that you dont want to make DS "healthy" and just make it a deja vu 2.0
Anyways there's no point of discussing if it is fine or not, I remember someone saying that "Bhvr" said it isn't going anywhere.
Than I play a game for get frustated.
Something that is supossed to make me fun will frustate me?
Btw where's the BHVR compliment? cause I see 0 BHVR READS, and everytime they read a balance idea they give you a BHVR read
Let's be honest here, with how much loops actually the game has, it's highly probably you last 30 secs to find another survivor and hit them, and players know it because when I told someone "it's 5 sec stun, not a big deal" he told me "it's not 5 secs, it's 5 secs and 30 secs of chase wich means a loss of 35 secs", the only time where it can be an issue to deal with it's on on the end game collapse but disable it is not an option due that some players says "If all gens are done I am going to camp in order to assure a kill", wich leads if someone rescue you, the killer is likely going to tunnel you. Actually that happended in a match I had against Doctor, He hooked me before the fifth gen poped up but camped me anyway (I never was hooked but I was in the second phase when I was rescued), when a teammate rescued me I ran to the exit gate but the doctor hitted me, then I used DS and escaped.
Btw
"The effect lasts 20 seconds instead of 60."
So you're saying that if I dont go down in 20s it isn't tunneling anymore?
Dude you seriously contradict yourself...
You even wanted to teach me what is "tunneling" but can't even apply the same logic in your balance idea.
How could 3 be trollish, in the least? It literally says the timer freezes when in dying state. Why are you saying the killer would wait it out? Hello?
Your points contradict with the first one.
The same problem that BT has apply with this "DS" killers waits out 20s (which isn't much) which makes this effect usseles.
Yeah but in the current state you slug a survivor but he can be picked up, and what about not going for the same survivor if he has ds?
Ok Logical Lord.
Perk only works once in an entire match and you think still is bad?
bad joke some change in DS.
Who am I. Continue to destroy this game more than it already is. Bye
Sometimes you need the extra pressure of a downed person. Slug then chase the rescuer. As a higher rank killer, any edge is required to win.
Yes. Either buff Enduring or nerf DS. It's a meta perk with no counterplay to it. It's easy to abuse as well.
Enduring at the moment has diminishing returns during the game. Mainly because people assume you will use it with Spirit Fury and will drop pallets sooner.
Those who use DS will jump in a locker, even if they weren't originally being chased by the killer. They feel it gives them a free pass to be dumb after unhooking. Pair that with Head On, and you can stun the killer then stun them again. It's ludicrous how easy it is to use for a game changing effect.
Just because you go down and never get to use DS doesn't automatically guarantee that either A. You will have unbreakable/Killer will leave you alone for enough time to proc it. B. A teammate will actually come back to pick you up.
In essence the slug not only serves as a tactic to deny DS, but also use you as bait. Thus punishing DS.
You realize that you actually don't have to use DS every match? If the Killer's doing something else and isn't trying to tunnel you, then why do you need DS to still be active? Is it to ######### over the Killer because he happened to come back and find you healed up and working on a gen? He might have even hooked your rescuer and be on his to way to the gen that you happen to be at, only to get punished because he's playing too efficiently and that's a big no-no in DbD.
Of course if you have that big of a problem with not being able to use your DS every match, then you can be a useless teammate all you want.
Saying DS has no counterplay and saying a 2s stun is fine is completely biased.
When did you started playing DBD?
Cause it looks you didnt't know what was this stun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg8QDxbwtps"Balance"
And yet people ask why it got changed.
It's the same as saying DS now is perfectly fine. With Locker + Grab abuse, and it having way more versatility for it's potential power in a match. It can easily turn the tide of a match in a heartbeat.
I started playing around the time Clown was released. That's why I'd want it back. Of course, I'd want some balance. Since it's getting a buff against those perks, it'd get more use, and people wouldn't be so keen to go against it. Hell, I'm suggest a nerf to my favorite perk exhaustion perk: Head On.
My suggested nerf to Enduring is make it not work with Spirit Fury, or have a reduced effect.