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@VikingDragonXii said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730759#Comment_2730759
Exactly beef up the moderation but take away the cosmetic. Yes it is core to Bubbas story but really it was done in poor taste with the state of the world is in now and when Bubba came out.....
Sorry but it wasn't like Bubba was some racist, he killed everybody. It's what he does. Including the faces of all the survivors for him to unlock makes sense. I am confused why you brought up the state of the world?
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@Marc_go_solo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730705#Comment_2730705
With the sheer volume of people making false reports because they feel bitter over the smallest of things, dealing with a multitude of investigative cases with only a finite number of employees to deal with the case load, making a report system that would work as you say would be impossible.
Also, keeping something in that some braindead racist decides to weaponise would mean that the problem would never be sold.
Even if the perfect system existed to do what you think, and the amount of people they could employ was infinite, by keeping the tool in place means the reports would be the equivalent of putting a plaster on a broken leg. It's not lazy, but it is efficient. And efficiency is the way to go.
For the record, I feel it's a shame the masks have gone. But instead of aiming frustration at people trying to combat hate crimes, aim it at those who pricks who caused this to happen.
I can see some of your points, but I still disagree the removal of the cosmetics is efficient (or effective for that matter). My ire is aimed at both admittedly. Of course I'm upset with the a-hole trolls/racists, but I am also upset with BHVR for taking an action that punishes the entire community in an effort to mitigate the actions of a few. It just doesn't seem logical to me is all, but that's just my take. I realize it ultimately matters not since they are making/made the change.
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@NoelleMina said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730723#Comment_2730723
And I agree. I’ve said again and again, BHVR needs a much better report system to get rid of these trolls.
But for now, (assuming they can’t or they’re working on it) removing the cosmetics is the right call. No, there’s no issue with the faces themselves, they’re just taking away something from racists to be racist with. Especially when that very thing is similar to black face.
I am sorry I respectfully disagree that removing it does anything to reduce the arsenal of racists. Additionally, as it has been said before, the whole lore behind Leatherface is that he wears the skin/faces of his victims.
Clearly we will have to agree to disagree. Unfortunately BHVR has already made the change, I just think we keep making changes in the wrong places and with the wrong things in an effort to target a select few people.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730767#Comment_2730767
taking it away absolutely does something, it forced them to be much clearer when there's racist intentions. if youre just being facecamped + hit on hook, you can put it down to a lot of different factors without some extra push towards showing it's meant to be racist. and now they've removed the most subtle ones, the more obvious ones can be reported and dealt with accordingly, featuring a better moderation system at some point within the next decade.
They can still be subtle with their racism by targeting those players, with or without the cosmetics? These people will always find ways around things/adapt unfortunately, so I respectfully disagree that it does anything.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730749#Comment_2730749
why not both
take away a tool of the harassment to help stop it happening and then beef moderation to ban the rest
you can be greatful for a change and recognise there's more to be done
Because taking away a neutral tool does absolutely nothing. BHVR will never beef up moderation because....BHVR.
I would be grateful* if BHVR realized they shouldn't punish an entire community for a small percentage of players actions.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730735#Comment_2730735
that's great, you're being compensated, and you'll live. don't be so ######### selfish
It's not selfish to see that BHVR is actually not going to change anything. Maybe BHVR shouldn't delete the cosmetics, but instead implement a better reporting system to actual punish the right people?
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730695#Comment_2730695
Myself and others have explained our stances in a few threads now, you can look at my reasoning there if you want. I won't be reiterating the same points again and again.
All that I've read is that it serves as removal of a tool being "weaponized." Which is a weak argument and reasoning, regardless of how it is framed or constructed. It doesn't actually do anything.
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@NoelleMina said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730627#Comment_2730627
Because it takes away intent. Racist players won’t turn Smartface into a black face issue, then start griefing black creators and/or people playing as black characters.
I’m well aware that people will do whatever they want, I’m even more aware of how bad BHVR is with banning people.
This won’t change anything for you maybe, but for people who are affected by this, this is a lot. It’ll go from a blackface griefing issue to “oh, a normal bubba tunneling/camping me/hitting me on hook, etc.
What if, instead of taking something away from the whole community and nullifying a character's lore, BHVR actually did something of substance and implemented a functional and appropriate reporting system where you could actually go after the people that are targeting people affected by the a-holes behavior? Instead the griefing issue negates a character's lore and a lot of players' hard work in obtaining said cosmetics. It's not that I can't sympathize with the issue, but the action taking was all wrong.
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@Marc_go_solo said:
If I remember correctly, the faces were free to start with. They would become unlockable after killing 25× of the respective survivor. So, 25 Dwight deaths = Dwight mask. During the time where there weren't many survivors, this was a very simple task. A free cosmetic for a simple task.
Now the masks are being removed, compensation of shards is being made. This is literally the very definition of "money for nothing".
The reason for the removal was because of the weaponisation of the masks, not the actual masks themselves. Besides this, BHVR have not removed a purchase that has been made; they are removing a freebie and giving shards in return.
It would've been better for BHVR to develop and implement a better reporting system that actually helps to target these specific players' actions. Instead BHVR chose to take the easy way out and remove a neutral tool that was being used improperly by a very small percentage of people.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
As has been pointed out a number of times.
No-one is accusing the character of LF of racism, but rather removing a tool that racist players are abusing to harass POC streamers.
Leatherface isn't being punished, nor are the masks an "important" feature - they're purely cosmetic. I'm sure the fictional character of The Cannibal won't care as much as you're making it out he will.
Maybe the character isn't being punished, but the community as a whole is.
But how does remving said tool address anything? It does not change one's behavior. It won't make anything better. Plus, that is the character's backstory and lore. He kills people and wears their skin. So actually, his backstory and lore is being nullified by this action.
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@NoelleMina said:
I’m not coming at you Op, but I’m glad it’s being removed. This announcement showed that people will go as far to mock others for this.
Many people on here started comparing racism to teabagging/flashlight clicking/ even one somehow managed to make it a problem that the Wraith is black.
I do completely agree on one thing though: BHVR needs a better report system. I’m sorry some bad apples ruined these Bubba cosmetics, but the action taken is needed.
How exactly is it needed/warranted, it doesn't change anything. These few apples will continue doing what they do best.
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@KolbyKolbyKolby said:
It removes a tool used for racist behavior.
If you had neighbors that hated you and they kept vandalizing your car overnight by throwing eggs out of the basket of eggs you keep on your front lawn, removing the basket of eggs you keep on your front lawn probably wouldn't stop it all together, but it would remove a method they use to do it. That's the point.
Limiting ways people can cause harm to others is important as well.
That is not a solution. Hell, it can't even be considered a band-aid. BHVR effectively did 2 things:
1) give more power to the racists/trolls because they got what they wanted....a reaction.
2) hurt the enitre community instead of targeting the very small percentage of players that act like a-holes.
If you think this is somehow a positive, you are diluted. These players will still be racists/trolls, BHVR hasn't addressed or fixed anything.
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@KolbyKolbyKolby said:
"You're just giving those people what they want."
Like a gameplay experience with a little less racism? That's probably the intention
How is having cosmetics that 100% represent the character's lore and backstory racist? The player behind the killer may be a troll or racist but not the existence of the cosmetics.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
Thank you for your input which was radically different to everything said in the other 4 threads about this. /s
I am fully aware that my position may sound repititious; however, I still consider it necessary to keep mentioning.
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I am so confused as to why these cosmetics were removed. I am not even a killer main, but I can 100% sympathize with why these people would be upset. Just because a few racists/trolls went around and harassed some survivors, BHVR has to remove the these cosmetic choices and effectively nullify his whole backstory. This is what Bubba does, kills his victims and wears their skin.
Additionally, what exactly does BHVR think they are fixing? You certainly won't change these select few's propensity toward racist/troll actions. They can, and will, still do the things they do, just without the masks. You aren't addressing the problem at all because newsflash, it can be addressed by game developers. This is a problem that some people just have. They are a-holes. However, removing content for everybody based on a very small percentage of players' actions is such an overreaction.
I also like how all of the other discussions around this topic have been closed, or other forum members have been banned for logical and fair non-inflammatory rebuttals to BHVR's decision. You are basically giving the trolls and racists more power and motivation to continue doing what they do best.