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BBQ is def OP and killers are absolutely using it for aura reading. It’s a total lie that killers only use it for bp. When I run it as killer I use it for auras as well as the bp. Killers, be honest about this perk. They keep saying they only use it for bp so it won’t ever get nerfed. Lies! When I play survivor, 75% of killers are running it and using it to find targets, because the counters don’t really work most of the time unless you are getting in the locker or are close enough to the hook. And then you are wasting a lot of time countering this perk. What they should do to this perk is only allow the auras to be seen the first time a survivor is hooked- max 4 times per match and in-line with the stacks for the bonus bp.
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Buff solo q with base kindred. Buff killers playing 3-4 man swf with an extra perk slot.
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i believe the point of the park is to prevent people from body blocking, sabotaging etc... so if killers can still get other people down after the person has been hooked means it is OP. Instead of a 30 second timer, it should be 20.
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You realize you are the one who held the game up by not hooking the Kate. Hook Kate, close hatch. Game over. You’re welcome.
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When I encounter groups like this I go stand in a corner until the gens are done then I open the gate. I figure they had to wait 10+ minutes for a game and it probably pisses them off they didn’t get to bully like they wanted. I’ll have a new game a minute later, so it’s not really a problem for me. I’m only a casual killer and I don’t care to ‘learn’ from these types of players.
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@Dennis_van_eijk said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1879258#Comment_1879258
Tell me, what counter is there against ds than?
They jump in a locker and you want to grabbed them out, voilà ds stun.
Smack them down and pick them up, voilà ds stun.
Smack them down and leave them on the ground, we'll you guessed it, the get up by unbreakable.
Than to keep it a bit on the aura reading part.
Try playing killer when survivors are using OoO.
How does this not put a killer at a disadvantage?
You have pretty much unlimited aura reading and against freddy you have unlimited aura reading as long as you stay asleep.
Tell me, what is the counter to that perk?
You complain about a 4 sec aura reading perk that is mostly used for bp and is easily countered.
Yet you forget the most broken aura reading perk in the game with no counters (unless you're a stealth killer), belongs to the survivors.
Do your research before you complain about a 4s aura reading perk ✌️👋
Every perk you mentioned is not used nearly as much as BBQ except maybe DS. And none of them give double BP. As killer I’ve almost never played against OoO, which is annoying, but whatever. The point of the thread is BBQ is OP because it gives double BP, the aura reading capability and it’s used in probably 75% of games. Maybe you should read things more carefully before responding.
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@WishIcouldmain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1879258#Comment_1879258
That's only 4 seconds that you'll have to hide which in game terms isn't much. Mind breaker is about that much and that perk is bad. And once again only 5 killers can use it to it's potential. You can't say BBQ is effective at disruption when with a Trapper or Plague. You act like every killer can disrupt with BBQ which it doesn't. And your experience with the perk doesn't account for everyone's experience I've already had many survivor mains laugh at the thought of BBQ OP your experience with it doesn't mean it's OP. If we were to use your example of from my experience it was this or that. Then Myers needs to be nerfed because I usually lose against Myers. Your example doesn't mean BBQ is OP it isn't. Just because you have a rough time against it doesn't me it's OP. Ask the majority of survivors it isn't OP. BBQ isn't OP. But if you can somehow find a way to show how each killer can use the Aura efficiently do so. Since you act like every killer is a threat with BBQ. But thanks for responding unlike others.
That’s 4 seconds x 11 (max number of hooks before 4K). You can take the risk and not hide, but it still gives information to the killer. The point of it being OP is most killers use it, it is used for aura reading either to point out the next target or give at minimum good info and gives double bp. I play trapper a lot with bbq and I find it quite useful to find my next target. Killers should at least be honest that it’s used for more than the bp. That’s all. I don’t think anything you say will convince me it’s not so let’s leave it at that.
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@WishIcouldmain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1879159#Comment_1879159
Okay then since according to you I didn't name reasons why BBQ isn't OP. Tell me how every killer with their base power can use BBQ efficiently. To counter all my points. And I once again mentioned you can continue to fix a gen while BBQ happens. And only 5 killers can use it efficiently.
That’s actually not what i said. You didn’t respond to my point about the game disruption to survivors being the real issue. Ok, maybe if you are at a gen you might be able to continue working on it if you are lined up correctly so your aura doesn’t peak through, but that doesn’t happen most of the time in my experience. My point is that by having to counter the perk, it puts survivors at a big disadvantage and there isn’t a survivor perk that disadvantages the killer like that. I don’t think it needs to be totally nerfed, but it should be balanced more.
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@WishIcouldmain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1879024#Comment_1879024
You do realize hiding behind gens means you still fix them and hide from BBQ. And a killer can only be in one spot at once. And only 5 killers can utilize BBQs aura to it's full potential sorry if you're scared of a Hag waddling all the way over with BBQ. Oh the interruption of one person while 2 still fix gens.
I see that you are unable to counter my point with logic or proof so you resort to ridicule. Good job proving me correct.
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@WishIcouldmain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1878132#Comment_1878132
Like I said most killer can't utilize the auras. A perk where only 5 killers with their base can utilize the Aura reading. And you'll still have tons of time to get ready. Let me see 75 percent of killers most of them aren't Blight, Billy, Nurse, Oni or Freddy. So the Hag and Trapper using BBQ aren't using it for the Aura it's the BP. Did you read what I said? A perk with 4 counters must be to hard to counter.
It's a lie that killers don't use it for the auras, because they do all the time. Maybe you forget once in a while, but it is definitely used for that purpose. I run kindred and can see killers looking around to locate a survivor and then moving in their direction. Why even point out that there are counters to BBQ if killers aren't using it for the auras? It's because they do. So, we are often good at countering BBQ, but in doing so we have to stop what we are doing and counter . This is a huge disruption for us and a huge benefit for the killer. Up to 11 times per game we are disrupting our gameplay to counter a killer perk. What perk do survivors have that equals that kind of disruption for a killer? We have a BP perk, but it just lets us pick up dying survivors a bit faster..woo hoo! A great idea to balance BBQ would be to let killers see the aura only on the first hook of each survivor. Also, removing the ability to see the aura of a dying survivor.
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Probably 75% of games I play the killer has BBQ. All the killers in the forums say they don't use it for the auras, but of course they do most of the time (at minimum for the last hook or the 3rd survivor so they can find the final survivor). It's unreasonable to expect all the survivors to have to counter that perk every time someone is hooked. The mere fact that it causes game disruption to the survivors up to 11 times per match AND it gives up to double BP proves it is OP. Not any perk that a survivor has causes that much disruption to the killer AND gives double BP. It is completely OP.
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About time. Moris are game breakers. Especially the ebony which is what I play against most often. I have been killed by moris far more than I have used a key to escape. Moris had an easier prerequisite to meet than keys. It is more even now and they don’t even have to adjust the keys.