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Sorry if you are on console. I don't know what the user agreement on console says but on PC it says that you are not allowed to use third party programs, devices or tools to gain an advantage. I guess its harder to regulate on console because of party chat and stuff. So maybe its not an issue on console.
You have to admit though, that talking to other survivors can nullify certain perks within the game. For example any Aura perk that lets you see killer is useless if you have teammates telling you where the killer is. Can you see how this advantage could be a problem for killers?
Just so you know, using party chat would still count as a third party. You are party one, the game is party two, xbox or playstation party chat is third party. However, if you are saying that you have read through your user agreement and it doesn't mention this then fair enough. Nothing to be done about it. As I say though, it does say that on the PC user agreement. Any communication program running consecutively with the game would be a breach of that.
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@Dead_by_Gadfly said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1404970#Comment_1404970
Jesus dude, no i didnt say "get gud" but now that you gave me that smart ass response i wish I had instead of spending 20 minutes trying to help your ass. Enjoy being salty and getting stomped.
Dude I did say thank you for your advice, it really is appreciated. I can't thank you enough for at least some insight into how to get better. As I said before though, this is really difficult to do when I am consistently matched against players that just out rank me. They literally run circles round me. Then I check profiles to find that some the players I am against have hundreds or thousands of hours.
I am not trying to be a dick I am just so incredibly frustrated with how this game plays out. And I feel powerless and hard done by, not by you, or the players but by Behavior. They have made a game that really do enjoy playing. It is so much fun sometimes. The state of the games matchmaking atm though makes it nearly impossible for me to have fun as killer. It is no fun being flashlighted every time I go near a survivor. Or finding that an entire team is running BT, DS and all came prepared with flashlights and keys
I am sorry for sounding like a dick and being a dick but I am just frustrated. I dont know how to implement the advice you have given me and that also makes me frustrated. Especially when you read through these forums and most people are just saying, get gud or that I should run perks I dont have because Im new to the game and cant earn more than 10000 BP per match. It's real slow going.
Then there is the toxic attitude of all players. If I lose a match I berated and called a noob and all that pish, which doesnt bother me too much but its pretty toxic. I won a hag game today btw, after falling 4 ranks and being put against low ranked players. At the end of the game they told me that it was OP me putting my traps near gens, hooked survivors and exits. What the hell am I supposed to do?
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@Dead_by_Gadfly said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1404580#Comment_1404580
Well matchmaking is screwing you putting you against red ranks, I think you kind of missed my point though.
Let me try it this way. There are 3 types of games you'll get.
Bully Squads: these are usually, but not always swf groups. They look to get flashlight saves, body blocks, sabos. The good thing about tgese groups is they arent doing gens. Maybe 1 of them is but thats a hell of a lot better than 3 of them. You beat them by slugging them. Everyone catches hands. Keep them injured. Make them respect you and theyll either stop or die.
Gen rushers: these are usually but not always swf groups. And theres 2 different ways they can go about this and it matters. The first wsy is 1 person keeps you distracted while the other 3 bunch up on a gen. You beat them by dropping chase of the one dude and attacking the 3. This is the easier group to beat as long as you dont get caught up chasing that one dude. This also happens in solo que a lot, that guy running across the map clicking in your ear? Yeah ignore him, let him watch you down the guy working on a gen, just watch for the flashlught save
The other gen rush group splits up and works 4 different gens. This is tge swat swf group everyone is complaining about. Theyll finish 3 gens by the time you get your first down. Theyll finish another by the time you get your second. The only thing ive found that works consistently is basement camping and hoping they are altruistic. They probably are. If you cant get them in the basement then youre just prixy camping and getting as many hits/hooks as you can. Its very rare youll 4k against this group but you might be able to squeek out a safety.
The 3rd game is where the survivors for whatever reason just arent doing gens in any sort of timely manner. Theyre usually, but not always, solos. These games are pretty easy and if you lost its 100% on you.
Now notice i said usually but not always in front of those, tgere are plenty of swf that arent good. I play with a buddy, im decent but hes a noob. That was my point. Solos can gen rush too, ive seen it happen. Its just more rare.
The other thing you have to keep in mind is that these games can flip at anytime. They might start out gen rushing and then turn into a bully squad. They might start out trying to bully then give up and dick around. So you have to be mindful of the games shifting and adjust accordingly.
As for my "infinite wisdom" (not sure why you chose to be a dick there but whatever), stop worrying zbout the 4k. It doesnt matter. Especially if youre going up against players ranked way higher than you. Instead focus on landing as many hits as you can. As you get better at landing hits the downs will come. As the downs come the hooks follow. As the hooks follow so do the k's. Basically Im saying, stop worrying about the rank of your opponent or if theyre in a group and focus on what youre doing wrong.
So basically what you are saying is "Get Gud". I know I am not the best killer, I am aware there will be teams that are just better than me.
Can you admit though that when you lose every single game you are in because of SWF it can get a bit tedious?Eventually frustrating, followed by rage inducing.
Especially when I have to wait 10-15 minutes just to find a game. Get into the game and there's SWF red ranks. Every single time. Why every time? because it's so easy to red rank with SWF because of the inherent advantage that they have.
Thank you for your suggestions on how to "Get Gud" but at the end of the day these wont help me to get better, or get practice. I play game after game and consistently get 1 or 2 downs and maybe a couple of hooks. I am putting in the hours but to no avail. So I am of the opinion that is Behavior dont want to fix it then I should take a trip to Montreal and 'Convince" them to fix it. They make a game without comms, they put in the user agreement that using 3rd party programs/devices or tools to gain advantage in the game wasn't allowed. Most of the community breaks this rule and it ruins the game and they do nothing about it. It is an absolute piss take. They need to sort their act out and listen to their customers, otherwise no one will ever have any faith in them, as a company, to deliver what they say they will.
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@DwightOP said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1404400#Comment_1404400
I hope you are trolling. Otherwise u question your brain.
Obviously you don't have a grasp of how to use your brain.
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@asimplelegion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1404400#Comment_1404400
If it is cheating why is there an option to join a game with your friends?
playing with your friends is fine but talking to them is not.
The user agreement clearly states that using any third party program or tool that gives an unfair advantage is not allowed. Using discord or any other program to talk to your friends is not allowed. If they wanted survivors to be able to communicate they would have put in-game chat.
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@Kyxlect said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1245464#Comment_1245464
Well, clearly with the amount of complaints about SWF's in the game from players who play Killer, remaining silent on the issue isn't the best way to resolve it either and to my knowledge, that's all they've done so far. No official statement on it, no public plans of changing it, they don't even acknowledge the fact that Killer's hate it existing in the game and I'm sure plenty of players have provided various means of resolving this issue but again, Behavior has remained totally silent on the subject.
My suggestion would be to just remove it from casual play because it serves no other purpose other than providing Survivor's a severe advantage over the Killer. You can use it all you like in custom games though.
I study law and according to my lecturers this constitutes a breach of contract. So I am currently building a case to take Behavior to court. The user agreement states that no third party programs or tools are to be used that would give you an unfair advantage in the game. This includes but is not specific to comms usage on discord. As a company that runs an online game that they advertise and sell, they are providing a service and as far as I am aware, in Canada, whilst providing a service which is advertised, the product or service has to be up to scratch as far as what you have promised and what you deliver. Since they have never been vocal about this issue I am building a case to sue them. As a customer and consumer of this product I feel like my gameplay experience is negatively impacted due to Behaviors lack of response to clear breaches of their user agreement. This aversion to enforcing rules that they have written makes my experience of a service I have purchased worse. It is within their power to fix it but they don't. That is negligence. So...
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@Desh said:
Since you want to call me out without tagging me. Let me post this pic of the last discussion you abandoned.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/FLU4F56XKIN6/salt-jpg.jpg
Because a lot of us dont have all those perks and we are finding it hard to get them when you are constantly matches against red rank SWF and you are still a rank 12. How am I supposed to get those perks when I get absolutely steam rolled by these teams, leaving me with maybe 6000BP per match. I think the game should be able to tell who SWF is and nerf them appropriately.
For example, if you are using comms, then the whole team gets 1% of normal BP points. I mean it need to be discouraged somehow and apparently making it a rule as part of the user agreement isnt enough when the devs wont enforce it.
At the end of the day it all comes down to money. The devs wont change it because it will drive away those cheating losers who cant get a win without an unfair advantage, and unfortunately that is most of the community.
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@Dead_by_Gadfly said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1404333#Comment_1404333
What? Did you even read my post?
Yes I did and you were saying that SWF isnt a problem. Maybe not for you, a rank 1 killer who has a good grasp of the game and plays a really decent killer. I mean Myers is crazy good sometimes.
I am a new player who wants to get better but finds it impossible to do so as I have 10-15 minute waits to get into games as killer and when I do get a game I am always against a red rank SWF team. So what would you suggest I do in that situation? How do I get practice? How do I get better. I haven't got a 4k in over 2 weeks now that I am not playing rank 20 noobs. So now I am getting frustrated and to be honest dont want to play anymore. I play solo survivor. I am rank 3. So its not that I dont enjoy playing and havent got some grasp. I am not a complete noob.
I just want the opportunity to play on a even playing field. Not have a toxic SWF that always knows where I am and what I am doing and I have no recourse.
So tell me in your almighty wisdom, what is my recourse? How do I avoid or beat SWFs?
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They could just remove the ability to add friends to your lobby unless you are playing a custom game. That way, if you want to play with your friends you can do so, but you will earn no BP for doing that and you wont rank up. I dont think there is anything wrong with that.
Online = Solo ONLY
If you want to play with friends = CUSTOM GAMES
What an easy solution right? Anyone got a problem with that?
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@youarewronglol said:
Breaking up groups of friends for no reason is dumb.
Killer is tough on console just cheer up and don't blame others
SWF is a breach of the user agreement you signed when you first played the game. Telling people to get good is not a reasonable answer to an issue that is going to eventually kill the game. SWF is an unfair advantage and has lead to the rise in red ranked players. This means that as a rank 12 killer I never get any other survivors than red ranked SWFs. This has made the game no fun for me. I honestly cant remember the last time I got a 4k. It is near impossible except for the very best of players. So basically if you can afford to waste hours and hours getting good this game is nonsense. No casual player wants to sit down to play of an evening, only to be frustrated by toxic SWF. And to be honest 90% are very toxic players who just abuse the killer and then give them grief in chat afterwards. Something needs to be done about it but the devs are happy because they are making money so who gives a #########, Right?
I am on PC and have 10 minute waits to play killer, and this is BS I am presented with. I am currently seeking legal advice.As a service provider that has outlined rules of conduct, Behaviour should be doing more to enforce this and to keep the game experience the same as promised upon purchase.
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you know that playing SWF is against the user agreement and gives you an unfair advantage in the game right? you are aware that you are a cheating SOB by playing with friends. If you want to play with friends play custom games.
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@Dead_by_Gadfly said:
I genuinely believe the swf problem is overstated. And I have examples.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/4JPCO46REJNE/20200527-190510.jpg
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/4RPID2DH3Q0H/20200527-190448.jpg
Both games were 4 mans. I played the same way in both games, they were back to back games in fact. 1 team did gens very efficiently, they split up and had gens done before I could pop my tier 3 twice. The other team did not do gens efficiently, they stayed grouped up and allowed me to be very effective with t3.
Its not swf, its the strategies they use and gen speeds. Swf doesnt need to be nerfed, gen speeds directly shouldnt be nerfed, the game needs secondary objectives.
The team I beat I was always going to beat because they played poorly. The team i lost to I had 0 chance to beat unless I basement camped AND they made the mistake of being overly altruistic. And there in lies the problem, to beat these teams you can only do so if they make mistakes.
Its not ranks, its not swf, its nothing being in between the survivors and doing gens except 1 killer who cant be in 4 places at once. Thats it.
you are a rank 1 killer. I am rank 12 with about 200 hours in the game. So well done to you that you can play against this sort of thing but me personally... I cant even get practice at this game because swf comes in and ruins almost every single game I have. Yes SWF is a big deal as I am a rank 3 survivor just through SWF. It makes the game a shed load easier. This disparity gives a clear advantage and ruins the game for any new killers. But you don't have to say you are going to say "JUST GET GUD!" thats an ######### response by elitist #########.
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@LadyRahl said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1381004#Comment_1381004
Agreed. That happened to me so much I had to walk away for a while. I'm so fed up.
As for SWF, I love a good SWF. I appreciate the challange of going against a well organized team. That's led to many fun matches, and matches that have proven more challenging, memorable and ones I can be more proud of in the end.
Its not a challenge, it is entirely unfair. As a rank 12 killer I wait 10 minutes for a game, only to be paired up with red rank swf. It is ruining the game. Considering it is a breach of the user agreement everyone agrees to to play the game, it is surprising that nothing is being done about it.
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@AsePlayer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/125323/mmr-swf-and-fairness
They never said they would or wouldn't. How about you wait to see what happens first?
The fact that they haven't mentioned it at all is worrying. I don't think they see it as a problem, however, it is completely killing the fun of being killer. I am rank 12 and only get paired with red ranks. Why? because most survivors are red rank now because they play SWF. I think they should eliminate the ability to invite friends to your game. The game then becomes solo survivors vs solo killer. No unfair advantage there. If SWF groups complain about it they can go play custom games for no BP.
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I'm seriously getting sick of this game. 10 minute waits to find a game and when I do I am against red rank swf teams. This is absolute BS. I think the game should give the ability to see survivor auras if everyone in the survivor party is friends with each other. They get to have extra information that wouldnt otherwise have so why cant we as killers get extra BS information.
Edit: I am rank13 and cannot rank up because I get one game against people my own rank and then 3 games against red rank swf. This needs to stop. IT is ruining the game for killers.
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Deathslinger needs to be fixed. He needs to lift his gun to his shoulder before firing. even if it is .5s, this is still too short. The deathslinger can fire his gun out of his chest because people dont have to lift their rifle to aim. This is BS if you ask me.
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This is absolutely perfect and the Devs should consider this. Firstly I love the fact that it would address the disparity of ranks but also it would mean that the Devs wouldn't have to mess about with server sizes or levels of play.
They shouldn't change the ability to climb quickly as this is linked to your level of play and nothing else. It's not like you get extra rewards for being a higher rank. Rank is just there to determine how good you are and what players you should be matched with. So if a rank 13 killer 4k'd a team of Rank 1 survivors then he should definitely be adjusted to rank 10. He is a good player and that's the rank he belongs at.
I think you might see these changes reflected in the player ranks as well. There might not be as many Rank 1-5 because you are not so heavily rewarded for taking out a baby killer, with your team of amazing survivors. This should be implemented.
Also improve the mobility of nurse, just on a side note. She is far too slow since the nerf.
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Agreed. I was thinking this today. The matchmaking will eventually kill the game. No one wants to play killer when as a rank 10+ you are being put against Rank 5 and below. I played a lot of killer when I first started playing and found it was fun. Got my friends into the game and so I played survivor for ages and didn't go to killer for a few months. Went back to it at the start of this week. So far my experience has been that I will get 4-5 games against players far too high a rank for me. I will drop rank and then I will get one match against my rank. Then it is back to 4-5 matches against higher ranked survivors. Eventually the only killers you will have playing the game are high ranked ones and everyone else will avoid it like the plague.
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@LALYTHIA said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/156753/get-rid-of-nurse-blink-recharges
The nurse is still the strongest killer in the hands of someone who has taken the time to learn how to play her. That's one of the coolest things about the nurse, IMO. If you run into a good one, you pretty much have to respect their hustle, even as they inevitably murder your face right off. She doesn't need to be 'more accessible'...she is special and her skill cap is part of the reason.
When was the last time you saw someone play nurse? Because I haven't seen one since April and even then I think she was the first one in ages. Nurse needs a rework. Maybe not 5 blinks rework but something better than this BS.
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I have to say that I agree, since the nerf the nurse is rarely seen. She is the least mobile killer and now you've made it so that even with her power all survivors just out run her and get away. I know I am not the best nurse but the fact that I can play game after game where I don't get a single sacrifice is ridiculous. I say if you are going to make her slow moving then you need to supplement that in some way. Her power moves her 20m with a 2 second cooldown then you have to recharge as well. I mean come on. How the hell am I supposed to protect Gens when I cant get from one gen to another without the previous Gen being completed, yes that is how slow she is. I just got demolished on the Temple level because I couldn't protect 2 gens that were right next to each other. Both had people on it but by the time I got to the Gen I have to stand there looking at the ground for 2 seconds. Then when I do look back up the survivors have already gotten a bit of space between us. Now I cant catch up because I just blinked to the gen so I am recharging. For every second I am recharging, moving at a reduced rate, the survivor is getting further and further away. Now what do I do in this situation? Do I continue the chase, knowing that whichever one I chase the other will come back to the gen. Do I ignore them and continue patrolling gens because I know there is another team working on the next Gen along? Doesnt matter because no matter what I decide to do the nurse has to sit still licking her toes whilst survivors disappear into the mist.
In an ideal world she would have a regular cool down for missed attacks but blinking shouldn't tire you out. Blink recharge is fine but making it so that my movement is punished, not even with a missed attack, when I already move slower than survivors is overkill.