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@jamally093 said:
...so it's disrespectful to say gg because you won? So like every other game when someone says Good Game either physical like a bored game torment oron computer like any e-sport is disrespectful. I would more understand it if they added ez because yeah that is disrespectful but saying GG even if you win shows you enjoyed the game with the player which can give a small boost of confidence adding WP can even give a bigger one since it makes the person who lost at least feel they put up a challenge. I say GG to twitch streamers if they win or lose against me because it's a sign of respect. I shouldn't need to wait for the other person to say it first because they lost.
For the 100000th time. The point is that people only say it when they win, which is why I find it be an issue. How exactly is it being a good sport, if you're only saying it when It's a win, and almost never when losing?
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Why should DBD be free, if they added cross progression? It's always on sale, at least on steam, and It's pretty cheap for what it is. It's only like 20 USD + you can get a lot of stuff for free by playing the game, besides the licensed killers/survivors.
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@VantablackPharaoh91 said:
Honestly I just say ggwp when it was a good game and we all played well. If they were actually toxic and not just sweaty, I don't say anything.
I do this both sides. Because I have sportsmanship, win or lose. It's meant the way you shake hands with the other side when you play a sport, win or loss, it's to show you are respectful of the other side regardless of how nasty it gets on the field.
I literally do not see it this way. My reason for that is because literally like 90% of people only say "GGWP" when they win. I said something about the TTV"s as a little bit of proof to back up my point.
I'll say anything but GG or GGWP. -
I find this so funny seeing this, after playing nonstop since the event started and getting constant 4k's with Xeno lmao. I think I lost maybe 1 game out out of like 200+ as Xeno
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BHVR finally listening to the playerbase I see
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@UndeddJester said:
In chess it's the person who loses who offers the handshake. If you consider GG the gamer equivalent of a handshake, then the winner offering a GG first has this kind of energy:
https://24.media.tumblr.com/9b1f09d88e20f3495f866130810af578/tumblr_mk4dx9H5sC1s68sflo1_500.gif
I don't play chess, but this is basically the way I see it. The loser should be the one saying GG first, always, otherwise, It's just rude.
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@mizark3 said:
This is something that doesn't make sense to me. Insults are bannable as per the game rules, and when the Killer bled the last person out and types GG or the Survivor clicky clicky teabags at the exit gate and types the same, they are clearly doing it to insult/BM. At the same time, a normal match may have had annoying moments, and been ambiguous as to whether it was a 'glove touch' or insult. Waiting for the loser to say GG first makes it 100% in the clear.
Alternatively, I think we should just remove the foolish 'no insults' rule, because insults are too subjective to be a bannable cause. I find banter very enjoyable, and I don't consider banter to be actual insults, even if it may include them. At the same time you can say the meanest things under the 'kill them with kindness' guise, and you can't determine if the person is genuine or not. I personally take bleedout and tunneling at 5 gens GGs as insults, because you would have to be implying I am a complete and total idiot if you thought I would think it was a good/enjoyable match.I agree. This post is basically pointing people like that out. Like how exactly was that a GG at that point?
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@jezebelthenun said:
Ill be honest, if I play killer and "win" but I feel like the survivors put up a heck of a fight, it was a gg. If someone ran me for a gen or two before I whack em? Dude, absolutely gg. If I have to work hard for a hook, definitely gg.
Saying gg as a killer is me showing respect for a game well fought.
"Gg ez" is always said by trash only, though. Just as salt in wounds. I hope those people stub their toes and burn their tongues on hot beverages.
The people who say "GG" are just like that though. ESPECIALLY, as others have stated, if you say it wasn't for you, then they start trashing you, saying all kinds of insults. I can literally vouch for this as It's happened to me a long time ago.
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@Ohyakno said:
They're not going to implement a system that increases queue times for killers for nothing but survivor enjoyment. Only survivors get any benefit from this and people that happen to enjoy the hated killer of the week are punished.
Listen: killer players are not here to facilitate your gameplay or enjoyment. When you play vs a no good bad skill merchant there's someone behind that screen trying to play the game, very likely without malice. They're just trying to have fun like you are. They are people, just like you are. So grow a little empathy and think about dropping the entitlement.
No.
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@Alen_Starkly said:
I am always baffled when people hate going against Skull Merchant but have no problem with Nurse. Like gurl, you can use pallets and windows against a SM, people can even body block for you. Against a Nurse, forget pallets and windows, you have no defense. Dodging a good Nurse's blinks is also close to impossible unless your ping is below 40 and you have a high frame rate. If she misses with 1 blink, there's the 2nd blink crutch. And even if she doesn't quite land the 2nd blink, her green lunge-extending addon makes sure you don't make it alive. Also she's pretty good at bypassing anyone who is trying to body block for you.
Skull Merchant is a saint compared to Nurse, in my opinion.
If you cant dodge a nurse blink, then that's a skill issue. I'd much rather go against Nurse any day, any time, vs a boring 20-30 min match of SM. At least if I cant dodge Nurse, then my game will be over in like 5 mins.
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@TheSubstitute said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742473#Comment_3742473
Not really. One's a verifiable fact where the practice of teabagging came from and the other is somebody ascribing a motive to somebody with no evidence, no way to ascertain the intention and when the practice being called toxic has been used throughout human history as a way to show good sportsmanship.
Is it possible a person could try to mock with it? Of course, somr people are jerks. However, if somebody wanted to mock you, why wouldn't they just say 'gg ez', 'you suck', 'wow, you're terrible' or far worse since that's not only possible but has no repercussions for doing so.
From your 'it goes both ways' that brings up the question as I wasn't citing you specifically about teabagging but now I'm curious. Do you teabag or defend teabagging your opponent? If not, then are you agreeing with my point about how logically inconsistent it is to both defend teabagging and yet call a practice that has its roots in sportsmanship and showing respect to your opponents toxic?
Sorry, I believe I meant to reply to someone else.
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@OmegaXII said:
Why would someone say GG if he wants to disrespect the opponent LOL. Saying GGEZ or generally any trash talk is far better and effective.
That's why I think saying GG is just out of polite. I do it all the time.
It's disrespect basically because It's only said when you lose the game, and the other side wins. How many times on average do you see "GG WP" when you stomp the other side? Probably not much. But if X side stomps you, then It's almost always "GG WP".
That's the whole point of my post is to call these A wipes out. It's so annoying seeing GG when it was clear that the other side only reserves it for when they won. -
@hermitkermit said:
The issue is that your perception is subjective, and you're assuming the other person's intentions. This situation reminds me of when I said God bless you to someone who sneezed and they got very upset because they were not religious. Obviously nobody says gg or bless you with ill intentions- these are common courtesies. You can be offended but expecting everyone to share your way of thinking based on your personal interpretation, regardless of the intention behind the words is not fair.
Also I would like to add; the idea that people only say gg when they win can tend to happen because if they die they're not going to stick around just spectating a strangers match just to say gg at the end. It doesn't mean they don't wish you a gg but typically unless they have a friend, or the match is clsoe and they want to see who wins, they won't stick around.
From my experience, I can see people sticking around til the end, probably to see what perks I use, then leave. If your gonna do that, why not say GG then? Oh right, It's probably because the lost the game, so It's only a GG when they win.
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@OmegaXII said:
… You literally described why this system shouldn't be a thing.
If SM is a problem, it's up to Devs to fix it, just like the old Legion.
The only thing that shouldn't exist is SM. I'd rather see the devs just delete her than try fixing her.
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@H2H said:
There should be an option to block SWF
I agree
@Leachy_Jr said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742835#Comment_3742835
Why does a character in a video game agitate you this much? It's not hard to just play the game, or at worst try and make your own fun by your own playstyles.
Anyway, skull merchant jumpscare.
Instantly DC's on sight
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@Nazzzak said:
There's simply more killers to play against now than back then. Survivors need to learn to play against all of them, with their powers or anti-loop etc. I imagine newer players would struggle, especially with killers you don't see alot of. Like, imagine a 200 hour survivor against a 200 hour Hag main. The survivor may have only seen a Hag a few times by that point and still struggles whereas the killer would have had a firm grasp of the Hag by then and know how to play efficiently against survivors.
This is literally me. Sure I got almost 4k hours in the game, but I only see a select few killers every game. Hag? I probably went against her in maybe 20 games out of like 2500 vs my 2000 Wesker games
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@RedPoncho12 said:
I’ve had the worst teammates the last week and have played against even worse survivors as killer. People actually used to be good or even decent at this game but Jesus dude… it’s almost unplayable with some of you guys
I''ve been saying the same thing, It's gotten so bad, I switched to playing killer most of my games, and absolutely DESTROYING everyone smh
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@Leachy_Jr said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742828#Comment_3742828
Willing to refund me nearly 250,000,000 of the BP ive spent on her? :3
Absolutely. I hope they do if that means getting rid of that stupid killer once and for all.
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Have fun playing with bots and winning all your game cuz nobody wants to play against you :3
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@Leachy_Jr said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742828#Comment_3742828
Willing to refund me nearly 250,000,000 of the BP ive spent on her? :3
Absolutely. I'll also continue to keep DCing, or throwing myself at her. Slug me all you want too. I'm on a PC. I have other stuff to occupy my time rather than playing against that filth.
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742658#Comment_3742658
Now this creates a system that is extremely complicated to understand from a player perspective. Also, in order to do such a system, they would need to show your MMR which they won't do.
Then why is MMR even a thing. It should be shown imo. It just leaves people frustrated not knowing.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
If they did that Skull Merchants would struggle to find lobbies lol.
Good. Maybe they should just delete the killer and refund any BP spent on her. She's a waste of dev time, survivor's time, a killer slot, literally just waste all around.
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I literally just wanna block Skull Merchant. Most idiotic killer in all of DBD
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@[Deleted User] said:
As long as groups only get one block (could be random between the members who's killer gets blocked) then im all in for it.
This is basically what I'm getting at
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@Shroompy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742653#Comment_3742653
And again, youre telling me that against ALL streamers you go against, you go into their stream to look at their vod JUST to see if they say gg in their post game chats?
Either youre lying, or you have A LOT of free time on your hands.
I've looked at maybe 15 or so over time. I mean, I only have almost 4k hours in this game, so I'm obviously going to have seen a lot of streams. It's also just to prove my point.
Also, sometimes I like to check just to see their perspective when I'm in their game.
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@Coffeecrashing said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742067#Comment_3742067
That doesn't work, because the devs made it very clear that different killers can perform differently in different MMR levels. This especially won't work if the plan was to balance it around 6,000+ hour competitive DBD tier lists, which affects like 0.0001% of the playerbase. The vast majority of the players are average MMR, and they need to be considered.
Then adjust accordingly based on MMR.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742451#Comment_3742451
maybe you only pay attention when it bothers you…
I would hardly say it bothers me, it’s just an observation. I win, people don’t say it. I lose, suddenly it’s a “gg wp” scenario. 🤷♂️
Literally this.
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@Shroompy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742628#Comment_3742628
Yes, but unless Im misunderstanding youre basically saying they only say gg if they win. Who's to say they just dont say gg whether they win or lose?
Its just so petty to get upset over good sportsmanship. If theyre saying gg, 99% of the time it has 0 ill intent.
My brother in christ. What I'm telling you right now, is if you SKIP to all their POST GAME chats, they only say it if they win. Just look at their previous streams.
So for the 1000th time, how is it being a good sport if you only say GG when you win, and almost never when you lose? How exactly are you being a good sport at that point? It's literally just passive aggressive gloating at that point -
@foolsparadise said:
i usually say gg whether i win or lose just to be friendly and end things on a good note no matter how the match went... but after reading this thread and the mentality so many of you seem to have, i think ill just stop entirely. you'll complain about toxicity, you'll complain about people being nice, you'll complain about 2 letters in an end game chat just because you lost, what is even the point in trying to interact with most people in this community at all? when i get "stomped" and someone says gg to me, i just say gg back and move on like a normal person, instead of expecting my opponents to read my mind and know im offended over losing in a video game. its basic sportsmanship to say good game, but go ahead and keep taking literally every little thing in this game personally, im sure you'll have a great time.
K
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@Shroompy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742525#Comment_3742525
TTV's will likely stick around since a good chunk of the time theyre in a SWF.
Also do you really care that much that you check if theyre live after the game if they dont say gg, then wait/go back into the vod to check if they said gg in another game?
I'm literally just using them as a good example of what I'm trying to point out.
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@Bafugaboo said:
I would say using the streamers as an example is the worst place to look. That is not exactly the best place to look for ethical people.
Deciding to turn good game into being toxic has got to be a bait. The game is over all of what happened in the trial is done. The two opposing sides are now done combating and it was a game.
Also all of things “toxic” in game most of the time are used to get into their opponents head. It is a tactic that has been used in all games. They are usually not doing it maliciously. They do it to get you to make mistakes.I get those aren't normally good people, It's just one of the many ways to see the type of people I'm talking about. Just skip to their Post game chat, and It's only a GG if they won the game most of the time.
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@Volcz said:
People with this mentality seem so odd to me.
So I can't say GG after having a good match that ended with me…winning? I'm only allowed to say it when I lose? I have to wait for someone to say GG to me if I win so that I can say GG to them and not be disrespectful? I can see your point if it was an awful match, you didn't get much done, people d/c'd or killed themselves, barely anyone hooked, etc. But in general, no I will not care if someone says GG to me first and they won the match.
If you care this much about stuff this stupid & you let it upset you, you should not be playing a PvP game. Chances are you find every little thing someone does or doesn't do, disrespectful with this mindset.
The whole point of this post is pretty much about how people only say GG when they win, and almost never when It's a loss.
Also, how is being toxic all game, then throwing a GG at the end, being in anyway, sportsmanlike? -
@Volcz said:
People with this mentality seem so odd to me.
So I can't say GG after having a good match that ended with me…winning? I'm only allowed to say it when I lose? I have to wait for someone to say GG to me if I win so that I can say GG to them and not be disrespectful? I can see your point if it was an awful match, you didn't get much done, people d/c'd or killed themselves, barely anyone hooked, etc. But in general, no I will not care if someone says GG to me first and they won the match.
If you care this much about stuff this stupid & you let it upset you, you should not be playing a PvP game. Chances are you find every little thing someone does or doesn't do, disrespectful with this mindset.
What the post is truly getting at, if you actually read it, is that most people ONLY say GG when they win…
Also how is being toxic all game, then saying GG, in any way, sportsmanlike? -
So, if a person clicks their light at you, tbags, bullies, and says GG, was that really being a good sport?
Or as the killer, tunneling one specific survivor, ignoring their teammates, at 5 gens, really being sportsmanlike?
Or if they had a bad start, but Tbgas and clicks their lights at the exit gates, then says GG, is that REALLY being a good sport tho?
OR better yet, they wait out the EGC timer, leave at the last second, then says GG, IS THAT really being a good sport then?
Waiting out the timer, wasting time? Plz explain how that's being sportsmanlike because that's what usually happens, and is basically the whole point of this post.@VantablackPharaoh91 said:
It's just good sportsmanship to show no hard feelings no matter how sweaty or aggro the match gets, it's like a handshake at the end of a chess match. It literally means Good Game.
I promise you it's really not that deep and there's no real ulterior motive for someone saying "good game", and if you're really that offended by it when you lose maybe you should take a look at why. The vast majority of people definitely appreciate good sportsmanship.
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@Seraphor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742478#Comment_3742478
How do you know the person isn't saying it every game?
I generally say it whenever I get the chance (PSN player though and half of PS players have their chat blocked), but I've played enough games to know that not everyone will consider it a 'good game' even when I've played fair and they've escaped.
Idk, maybe a growing trend? You can literally go to the pause menu, and see who's still in the game. And most people usually are, and still say nothing when they win/lose. OR just go look at their TTV, if they are one, and most the time, they say nothing unless they win…?
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@Shroompy said:
to me gg is like a hand shake or "touch gloves" at the end of a sport. It just shows good sportsmanship.
I also dont expect all Survivors to do it since I dont expect them to stick around since why would they?
If you read anything I wrote, then you would know that most TTV players WILL stick around at the end, and still not say anything unless they won. Same goes for the majority of the playerbase smh
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@SleepyLunatic said:
Not my fault if you are a bad loser.
If you cant handle a loss, dont play and close chat.I bet you're EXACTLY the type of people I'm talking about.
Besides, how does winning at least 85% of my killer games make me a loser? Also I don't say GG if I stomp the opposing side, regardless of what happened. -
@burt0r said:
Well, I played friendly killer for 2 years and let most of survivors escape after getting 8 hooks. Most of them knew I could've killed them if I wanted.
But still it was silence the vast majority of time, from survivor that just had exited the match by exit gate and the rest was mostly GG exclusively after getting matched with survivor that I couldn't beat even if. I wanted to as a casual player.
It forms a different meaning after a long time.
This is what I'm trying to say. You let people go, play nice, nothing.
BUT if you get stomped, tbagged, bullied the whole game, then SUDDENLY you get a GG.
I can actually attest to this from last night. I had a game where I had everyone in the game on death hook, at 4 freaking gens, let them all go, and nothing…
Like this is what I'm trying to say, like how is it that you only get a GG when you play horribly?@Alice_pbg said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742177#Comment_3742177
no it didn't. it was always short for good game. what are you even on?
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742189#Comment_3742189
try not seeing it as anything beyond someone saying good game. it's the same as offering a hand shake after a game. just good sportmanship.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742192#Comment_3742192
do YOU say it? ever? maybe you only pay attention when it bothers you…
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742291#Comment_3742291
exactly. self fulfilling prophecies and all that
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742424#Comment_3742424
it does not. 90% of the time people left the lobby before you even finished the match.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742432#Comment_3742432
as a brazillian, I can tell you the coaches respectfully shook hands IMMEDIATLY after the match ended. and players were seems shaking hands, hugging and all that
here…
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/WA2GZPS7T1AO/imagem-2024-06-17-115208810.png
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/U77VAJZUFPVX/imagem-2024-06-17-115324730.png
so f* off with that crap.
YOU have an issue with losing. doesn't mean everyone does.
Everyone here was crushed when that happened. the players still accepted the hand shakes and hugs because they know that when someone does that, they aren't just being an #########.
now. pay the money.
You're literally comparing a real life sport to an online video game. How about you get out of here with this crap smh. This is not the same in any way shape or form, unless like the other person said, It's comp.
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@The_Krapper said:
I'll say gg whenever I feel like it people need to get over themselves, it's not rude or disrespectful and I'm sick of all these toddler minded individuals in one place, this game has to have the community with the most fragile feelings and ego I think I've ever seen in a gaming community and people call this toxic? No this community isn't toxic in fact if someone was as toxic as other games the tears in the forums that would arise would be like the second great flood but with no ark to save anyone.
So basically you only say GG when you win the game? That's the whole point of this post. There's an obvious trend of people who only reserve their GG for when they win smh
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@NerfDHalready said:
is saying gg as the winner wrong? no. but i don't say gg after a stomp, whoever won that match cuz it was not a good game.
See, this is my gray area. If it really was an even match, then saying GG as the winner isn't really all that bad imo, unless of course it was a stomp where you kill everyone at 4-5 gens. Like how was that a GG then?
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@LeFennecFox said:
I'll take a gg after bad match over no one typing anything. The game feels like you're playing vs ai most of the time with how little people interact and when they do it's rarely positive.
I'd rather someone say something silly, or say nothing at all than typing GG after a stomp. It's literally just way to be passive aggressively toxic imo. Cuz as I said, you mostly only ever see it from the winner's side. SO how would that be a GG for anyone else but the winner, on a stomp?
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@Seraphor said:
Not accepting a GG is the sign of a sore loser.
If you can't accept defeat gracefully then you're going to suffer a positive feedback loop of negativity, and everything will look like poor sportsmanship.
If you only say it when you win, then how is that good sportsmanship? If you're not saying it every single game, regardless of what happened, then don't say it at all.
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It goes both ways
@TheSubstitute said:
If I remember correctly some of the people saying that gg is toxic have defended teabagging as no big deal. So simulating an act that refers to sticking one's genitals in an unwilling person's mouth as an act of sexual dominance is just 'crouching' and 'pixels'? But saying 'gg' when the standard in sportsmanship for literally millenia has been telling your opponents 'good match', etc in competitive activities throughout the entire world is toxic?
Do you not see the logical inconsistencies with that?
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For a game like DBD, I feel It's rare for a match to go evenly. Usually the killer tunnels someone out, then It's a domino effect, and the killer get's their little 3-4k and says GG. Like was it really when you tunneled someone out for the win?
@Dreamnomad said:
I kind of get where the OP is coming from. I personally only take offense to my opponent saying GG at the end of a match first if I played really horribly or if the opponent showed poor sportsmanship during the match. I think that is like rubbing salt into the wound. But if I felt the match was competitive and both players were feeling it then I don't think it matters who says it first.
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@burt0r said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742192#Comment_3742192
1000% this.
I did the experiment, played friendly/fair as killer for years and 90% of the time there was nothing except when I got hard stomped, then there came GG's.
The best one was when I had a REALLY bad match and answered their GG with "not for me" which prompted them to throw some of the worst toxic chat at me I had seen until then. "Respectful" GG indeed.
Literally this is WHAT I"M SAYING!!
It's quite literally only a GG for the other side, then if you say it wasn't for you, then It's nothing but toxicity. LIKE HOW IS THIS BEING A GOODSPORT? I'll say it a 10000 times more, It's only a GGWP for the winning side, otherwise, if they lost, your the one being being a badsport, toxic, etc… -
@Iron_Cutlass said:
BHVR posted about this for new gamemodes. It's not that MMR doesnt exist, playing an alternative gamemode prevents you from gaining and losing MMR, you will always be matchmaked into the set MMR range for your Survivor/Killer.
To keep queue times low, the game does widen the MMR matchmaking range to allow for faster matches over quality matches, this applies for all matchmaking.
I see, maybe that would explain why I seen the same survivor in my game 3 times. Regardless, killer is much more easy going than survivor matches during this event.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
If "GG WP" isn't intended as a taunt then why do I ONLY ever see it when I lose? And lose hard at that.
Noone ever says this in a match I win, and that's all the proof I need that people are not being forthcoming about their intentions here.
This individual 100% gets it.
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@TheSubstitute said:
It's a sign of respect for your opponent the vast majority of times regardless of who initiated it.
Well, as I said, It's only "respectful" when the loser said it first, otherwise, it just feels like passive aggressive gloating.
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@Crowman said:
You can just mute the chat if your opponent saying "GG" is a problem to you.
No thanks. Post game chat is funny sometimes.
Besides, you can call me whatever you want, literally any name in the dictionary and I don't really get upset. But if I had a terrible match, and the winner said GG, then it really strikes a nerve. Like I said, unpopular opinion, but whatever.