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@Zakon05 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3491902#Comment_3491902
While I am sympathetic to the plight of Sadako mains regarding this issue (I do play her a lot myself - she's one of my legacy prestiges and is currently at prestige 24 for me)
Saying "Yeah but Myers" is a terrible comparison.
First off, condemned Sadako is an awful playstyle to go against and survivors largely hate it. I also hate it and I play as her.
But survivors also hate instamori Myers.
He can only do that if using a very rare or ultra rare addon and it makes him one of the most unpleasant killers to play against in the game.
Going up against that is basically guaranteeing nobody in the trial gets any bloodpoints and are guaranteed to depip, it's awful and should have been removed a long time ago.
It should definitely not be emulated on other killers.
I'm not sure if you actually read what I posted, because this is pretty much what I've said :)
I agree, it's bad that she's emulating other killers and I'm upset that this is the best way to play her with the rework.
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@Devil_hit11 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3491902#Comment_3491902
you could argue the same for Live version of Sadako. with ring drawing, if you hook people, you lost 1 condemn stack because survivors did not heal the downed survivor. they unhooked which is 0 stacks. you also lost stacks from TV teleports because hook might not be near TV's but picking someone up and dropping them near a TV means they are next to a TV to TP.
Global condemn means that you are not punished for not slugging within proximity of TV. you can still hook and build condemn at same time. there is no drawback to hooking besides spending time putting them on a hook. As I said, it is optional safety net.
Yes, you could. This is exactly why Ring Drawing users slug, actually.
They appeared to want to get rid of this playstyle based on i) the Ring Drawing nerf ii) the change in today's developer notes to make a hit destroy the tape, but they've only done the opposite since the chasee is once-more vulnerable to Projection-induced condemned without the tape after being hit. Hooking is something you can do if you want to play nice. But my point was that it's not really optimal to do it in this rework and that appears to go against the spirit of what the developers wanted. They've messed up.
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@Devil_hit11 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3491702#Comment_3491702
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"Survivor who are hit while carrying a tape will now gain 2 stacks of condemn." It is no longer down. it is hit.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3491601#Comment_3491601
it is not that simple. if you don't hook people, then you risk having to down people more times then 3 times because you all-in on condemn killing the survivor. hooking now is more of a safety net. hooking means they will die in 3 hooks. slugging means that you are all-in on condemn killing them and if it fails, then you get no kills.
This is like saying tombstone Myers is all in on doing a mori instead of hooking. Of course he's all in on doing a mori, that's his kit. And it's Sadako's kit too now, since her new condemn is global rather than local. I don't see any reason to ever not be all in with this rework.
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@ARTRA said:
Excel sheet says it was used a lot so nerf it is the way, not giving Sadako other usefull addons.
Just imagine that Blight addons are not nerfed because all of them are good so every addon is used at some point.
Sames with Marvins blood for Nemesis and Engraving for Hilbilly. Excel sheet says this one are used a lot that means OP not that other addons are bad.
I agree that it's likely they're looking at a spreadsheet somewhere. Would love to hear more from the balance team about what that spreadsheet looks like! What's Reiko's Watch's usage %? What's its win %? What percentage of loops in each game does she win due to Reiko's Watch? Would be great to see these numbers on our end!
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@Knexica said:
I’d love to hear more about this too… been actively looking for some kind of Dev explanations and there’s nothing to be found. I didn’t realize the Devs choose to rôle-play North Korea when it came to communicating with a it’s player base..
Yep, I do think there are many of us who want to hear more about the thought process that went behind the nerf!
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@Chilli_man2400 said:
They did to reikos watch what they did to Marvin’s blood. The addon was used to much and they think it means op so they nerfed the number
This seems likely! Fortunately, we know that this goes against Michael's claim from 2 months ago that the team also looks at design intent and community feedback. Looking forward to opening a dialogue with BHVR on the issue of Reiko's Watch!
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@HamsterEnjoyer said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3491654#Comment_3491654
You can just grab a tape and put in the tv thats 2 feet away from the one you grabbed it from and cleanse all your stacks instantly so
I mean this is assuming that the Sadako isn't running Iri tape. This may be just me but that seems a bit unrealistic, she's not really playable without it in the rework. I'll at least never be running her without it.
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@HamsterEnjoyer said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3491592#Comment_3491592
When you hit someone carrying a tape the tape is destroyed
Yep, sorry, you're right! Doesn't really change anything though because you'll still hit 7 stacks by the second down since they're not protected from projection-induced condemn after the first hit. It's functionally the same.
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@ReverseVelocity said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3491629#Comment_3491629
The Tape immediately gets destroyed on the first hit. They only get 2 stacks.
Oh, that's right, sorry.
So all you need to do then is (assuming you get 20 seconds out of chase before or after the down) teleport twice before and twice after for 4 stacks+2 from chase = 6, then they're still just 1 stack away. It does require another set of teleports but you still have pretty much no reason to hook them and would actually lose pressure doing so.
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@ReverseVelocity said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3491601#Comment_3491601
I don't really see how it encourages slugging considering the Tape gets destroyed on hit. There's not really any advantage to slugging when you down someone with a Tape. The only thing it will really encourage is hit and running healthy Survivors with a Tape.
What do you mean? If you down them that's 2 hits = 4 stacks. If you teleported just twice before they got the tape that's 5 stacks. All you have to do is slug them and hit them once for the condemn mori. You don't get to do that if you hook them and destroy the tape. I strongly recommend against ever hooking with this new version.
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I will say that I'm very glad to see that they changed the cooldown on projection (though 10 seconds is still too much) and lowered the cooldowns for TVs (SUPER happy about these durations).
Not really happy about anything else though. 2 stacks per hit with no hook incentive is crazy. I'm just going to slug anyone who has a tape now. Would have much preferred that they listen to the feedback we gave on the PTB instead of incentivizing slugging even more when most of the feedback indicated that moving away from this sort of thing would have been well-received.
The fact that her chase is absolutely atrocious now doesn't really help her move away from slugging either, since she's now incentivized to really pressure what downs she is able to get. The PTB-version of her makes it so that demanifest mindgames are dead and Reiko's Watch is dead, so she's going to be slug all the way to the Major League.
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I'm very glad to see that they changed the cooldown on projection (though 10 seconds is still too much) and lowered the cooldowns for TVs (SUPER happy about these durations).
That being said, there's basically no reason to hook now and 2 stacks per hit is ridiculous. I'm just going to slug anyone who has a tape now. Would have much preferred that they listen to the feedback we gave on the PTB instead of incentivizing slugging even more when most of the feedback indicated that moving away from this sort of thing would have been well-received.
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Having played Sadako on the PTB all day: this is most definitely not a buff.