Ergzelgath
Ergzelgath
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Its quite refreshing seeing survivors whos acknowledge killers fraustration if i understand correctly you are refering to killers slug or tunnel at 5 gens or when the game is almost already over for survivors i think its just becuz theyve been playing that way all along since they dont know that whether they will face an easy match where survivors make mistake and lead to huge snowball or normal where they can 2k or 8 hooks spread 4 out etc or a miserable match where at most you can get 1k with hard tunnel so they just play the way that they feel like the right play to play which is tunnel or slugging since it works best in these situation and some killers just dont really care that oh its 5 gens let just play a little more and dont tunnel they just want to quickly go next etc so in short they tunnelling doesnt mean they are mean maybe they is or maybe they just dont give af about anything and play the same way that theyve been playing all along so its hard to tell
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Thx man i tried playing the gen control build singu and i just so confused that the gen got blocked so fast since i dont run eruption my on recent killers i played so does the heavily 3 gens playstyle still work now i mean its still work but i think its just stall game for a little longer since i cant chase too long if i cant down and slug in 15 or 20 secs i have to go back to gens defense and repeat untill gens kick limit assuming the downed survivors doesnt on death hook and then theres emps so does singu 3 gens still a thing?
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Didnt expect this forum will have so many people engaging them tye reason why i ask is he S tier is that i played some dracula singu blight and some low tier like wraith and legion when im asking abiut tier i mean if 1 person with the same skillset perform on a specific killer assuming that they have the similar circumstances when i played blight i can miss some swing and its fine i still win on people on my level but when i played ghoul against people that know how to face him hes felt so helpless and i dont really sure that bringing people that put these killer into their absolute limit is the right call since if theyre good of course they can win with ghostface but they can make no missplay at all since hes so unforgiving so hes low tier i just want to know that on average people playing 1 to 2 game a day after work i just feel like the ghoul is so stressful and has lot of counter play unlike other same tier (A or high tier or whatever) so maybe lets just do this, what i mean by tier is hownmuch effort someone has to put into playing these particular killer to get the result assuming they have the same proficiency on killers they play a nurse match is a lot easier than a ghostface match so thats the tier difference so the question is someone whos on the same tier as ghoul like maybe dracula singu spirit oni i guess whos considered the similar tier will ghoul have to put as much effort as playing these killer on the same circumstances
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I thought nobody would respond this post anymore since its been a couple day i already tried him with the slowdown build corrupt pain res pop eruption and the rapid and sloopy build the slowdown use soooo much brain power like its a race against time juggle gens kicking gens chase force reset slugging then watch cam kick chase etc but yeah hes very strong on outdoor map and in forgotten ruins hes very strong like stupidly strong but then here comes underground complex his macro gameplay got hindered so much u have to be in constant chase and slugging hyper aggtessive since i cant overseeing anything i dont know that is it a good tactic or what since the cam i setted once got emp'd walking into the corner aim the biopod is so time consuming i have to walk directly on gens and shoot no long range shoot no anything but hes very fun
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After trying him for a couple more time yeah theres too many pallets for him to deal and many pallets are so hard to cut off thats most of them time it just pure m1 down and pallets after pallets into window like a filler pallet into window and youre done you cant cut off any of those since they either got window or pallets you cant vault since theres window or maybe to pallets chain making his vault useless and also revault if theres less pallets i think he will go up a lot but man an m1 killer with jungle gym into pallets hes in a very bad spot theres always something save for sur to play and 50% of them run window of opportunities as well hes very good into slugging tho after trying the slug build or be a macro killer controlling tight space and try kicking pallets to creat dead zone instead i guess his mobility is good buy chase is so bad
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After reading all you guys comments and some gameplay of pro player and undergoing some thinking maybe i might play him wrongly his chase is bad but ive never tried it but on some instances should i just loop normal in filler and dont force trying to do cut off cuz i feel like the cut off is something not intended but some really good player just so good at him that they can do like you can win a knife fight with fist if youre good enough but its extremly hard maybe i just loop and if they run i catch and if they dont i play 50/50 and use mobility to enter chase faster than other killers? Like doctor would have to run for 15 secs untill hes in chase and run down 2 health state where ghoul enter chase in 5 secs and only having to go down 1 health state cuz the injured part is free so the net total of time being used is faster down than other killer except hightier and best short range burst of mobility and hes the requirement check that if survivors have pallets 5 meters away from them if not they die if yes the the chase go on quite a bit of course blight did the same thing as him map wide mobility fast damage might struggle a bit on some filler and the requirement checker of whether survivors have pallets 5 meters away from them or not but yeah its blight himself so maybe this evening ill try again and report back to you guys and maybe since the mmr reset i often face players way above me 2k hrs p100 swf meta perks etc
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@esarraf said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4112036#Comment_4112036
Don't get me wrong, Jason and Blight are both above Ghoul and are stupidly powerful but ghoul just ignores the healthy state for survivors which is something that both Jason and Blight have to at least go through first. Like sure some loops there's counterplay for ghoul but also there's plenty of loops where even if you play it perfectly, get the stun, and do everything right you are still screwed since ghoul instantly gets you before you can reach another loop and you just have to accept the fact you were beaten not because of any skill but just because the killer pressed button to win chase.
Yeah but nowaday every map has ######### ton of pallets chain together if map have some real dead zone he would without a doubt s tier but i just played on campell and theres a safe pallets literally 2 meters away from the long wall gym and 3 more pallets nearby thus making his mobility useless i know that the free hit is nice and can caught people off guard very good but man theres pallet everywhere i also once played the suffocatong pit and i decided to only played 1 side which is the main building since the loop is long and i saw that shack side has ton of pallets and debris which hinder my power i have brutal strength and kick every pallets survivors drop and funny enough they still have pallets to play late game the amount of pallets is so absurb theres the pallets that has to kick to avoid the infinite in main some rock pallets and the chokehold middle map and like 3 pallets and 4 windows into more filler pallets
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Yeah maybe ill change my play style a bit to someone force a drop while not getting stun or maybe run dissolution
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515 ws thats insane lol and despite hes really having 515 ws or not maybe slugging is maybe strong on him since his catch up is i believe the strongest but his chasing is mediocre
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@zonkednb said:
A-tier, map dependent, excels at playing 'dirty.'
Not overpowered, but asks a lot of survivors due to having so much pressure pretty much all the time.
By dirty u mean slugging, pallet vault, tunnel?
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@esarraf said:
Prettymuch yeah but at the bottom of it, being able to ignore any mistakes you make by instantly catching up to survivors, fastest killer there is besides Jason, and being able to instantly delete a healthstate with less counterplay than legion is stupidly strong.
Yeah but the knowledge require to counter ghoul is not hard to learn kinda like the double flameturrets for xeno or dont play with shorts loop when wraith have the pallet control and if you can m2 to catch survivors that mean u have to play him pure m1 throughtout the whole chase which is bad anyways jason use spike for chase fog or catch up so he can use both power but my boy ghoul if he use power to chase he cant catch up if he want to use power to catch up then hes m1 while blight can do both but with 5 tokens for tye free health state yeah its free and better than legion for sure since you can catch up better and have somewhat better anti loop (which is bad but at leatst he have something) but legion is very consistant i guess sometimes if they have rock nearby they can hind behind rock then you m2 to the other side and if they dont react fast enough you can free injure but theres a lot of times where you just missed (yeah its possible) the game hate you and put some debris now youre enraged, on cooldown, and not any injury or deep wound and sometimes it just dont work it wont grab hes very buggy and once missed its so punishing
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@Brimp said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4112012#Comment_4112012
I think the rough increase is 7-9 per map. Along with some maps getting smaller but in turn made things more condensed so it's harder to dead zone them. You can see disturbed ward right now, go to the flower garden outside and you can probably find multiple pallets in a row leading into each other in a big donut.
Like this is bad rng by the way. The hill can be another rock pallet tile and one of the burnt down building tiles didn't spawn as a pallet tile meanwhile a lot of these pallets are on the slightly safer side rather than 50/50s. All this around main which in itself spawns two god pallets and is extremely strong and not to even mention the edge map pallets that can spawn.Goddamn god forbid killers are human too and for disturbed ward the wall may be symetrical but it has weird shape sometimes you slide inside the hole inside the wall cuz the wall resemble the C shape and the cut off is cooked and aside from ton of safe pallets and connect to main building as u said some tile spawn so close to eachother the long wall connect to 2 pallets then shack then 2 more pallets and another tile and some pallets and windows from main building they can chain you for 5 gens its absurb the pallets is a garanteen kick cuz its so safe and place in a way that is very good for pre drop like if i dont kick i have to go either left or right of a long ass wall :(
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@Brimp said:
No hasn't been S tier for a while. He's bordering on highest of B tier imo unless they tone down pallet density.
Can i ask how many pallets have been added into the game since the pallet density update like on average 6?
And do i have anymore ways that i dont know to play the ghoul? Since his cut off are so in consistant i run him with dissolution and it helps a lot but its a very lazy way to win chase and trying to do cut off in filler pallets are just so bad how is otzdarva or hens or any youtuber say hes S tier or does he have anymore power that is so good he can sit in s tier dispite having so bad chase power