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@flawedspecies said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2339574#Comment_2339574
There's a huge difference between these things. A killer camping and tunneling is not fun for anyone involved - the target player doesn't get to play the game and the other survivors to get to either. BHVR's solution of "just do gens and make the killer lose" is boring. I want killer interaction, I want to play the game. Camping prevents interaction and actual gameplay. It's anti-fun and is essentially 1 player taking the game hostage.
I want to be clear here: the vast majority of people are not complaining about it because they lose. It's because they don't have nay fun and they get very few points. Even if a killer facecamps the first person they hook and survivors just stick on gens, he will easily get 10k+ points minimum while that survivor likely has less than 5k. How is that at all fair? What options did that survivor have, just run the killer for longer? They have literally no options to get themselves out of the situation.
Are you seriously trying to compare your small list of things to that? Hiding is a tactic; some people just suck at running and this is their option. There are tons of abilities and perks to get around it. Even if you don't successfully find them, hiding properly usually wastes a lot of time and helps the killer - it's like the joke of self-care being a killer perk. If they are hiding they aren't doing any objectives.
Flashlight saves...just have slight awareness and look in a safe direction. They are not an issue and 100% in your power to control.
Teabagging does not affect gameplay at all. Zero effect. That's all mental and is your problem to handle.
Genrushing...sigh. I play killer plenty and I know the frustration of gens going super fast. I think small tweaks to slow down the start of the game would be nice. However, I have a very hard time sympathizing with killers complaining about survivors literally doing their primary objective. They are supposed to do gens and do them as fast as they can to escape. And don't say campers are doing that. Their primary objective is to kill people, not stand by the hook doing nothing. Either way, as a killer you have options around this - there are a lot of perks or killers abilities slow things down.
I've won plenty of games where 3 gens popped shortly after the first chase ended. I've seen many killers with 0 kills still outscore every survivor. There is literally nothing survivors can do to completely take away the ability of the killer to play the game like camping/tunneling can for the target player. Nothing. Evn your terrifying "genrush" still lets you play. You may lose and lose fast, but you still get to play, not sit there for 2 mins, lose and get no points.
And for what it's worth, I think DS basekit is laughable and a horrible idea, but wouldn't mind a small basekit BT (like 2-3s). If you're not facecamping it's not an issue. That's very easy to wait out too, but gives the poor hooked survivor at least a small chance to not simply be farmed.
I couldn't agree more with all of this. There are so many perks that Killers have they they legit don't need to camp or tunnel someone.
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I couldn't agree more with this!! The camping and tunneling is out of control. I feel its a way to cheat. I've been trying to lower my rank and its been so hard due to all the camping and tunneling they do. The Dev's don't realize when Killers do this it causes us to lose a pip. Its already hard as it is to defend yourself against a killer with pallets not going down and everything. It boggles my mind that they camp and tunnel because they have so many good perks and they can easily get you down without having to tunnel and camp you.
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lol are you serious??? Killers are the ones that need nerfed!! So many things wrong with them and ya'll camp and tunnel. I find it funny that you complain about survivors when its the other way around,
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I'm saying that killers have good perks and done use them. I know several people who don't camp or tunnel and still get 4K.
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This happened with me in a match just now. I dropped a pallet looked behind me and watched disappear.
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I agree with this post. There are a lot of bug issues within the game but also some killers make it absolutely toxic for the survivor by camping and tunneling. There are some matches where it is impossible to get gens done because they camp and tunnel everyone. Also the anti cheat doesn't work what so ever and a lot of times the killers cheat in order to win. I was in a match earlier and a killer was legit teleporting in order to get kills.
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Yep this has happened to me before as well and it's happened to me more than once.
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Killers already over powered so really they shouldn't have to camp and tunnel. It's BS. Like I said my friend streams so its all on her stream what we deal with. Tonight is another night of camping and tunneling. Its annoying too bc that crap causes us to de-pip.
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Ya'll can call me a liar if you want but my friend that I play with is a streamer and she's live every time I play it. Last night was a better night bc i did escape a few times but the other night I played it and it was every match for 3 hours straight.
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@Spyonme said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2217672#Comment_2217672
Buts it is simply not fair for the person being camped/tunneled on since there is nearly no chance of escaping once the killer decide to use those "strategics" if you can even call it that since it takes zero effort. At the end of the day we calculate 1 for 1 person having fun and thats not the case if killers are able to camp like the current state allows them to. The person should always have a skill relyed chance of escaping, it should feel rewarding to play good
Yep I agree.
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@JesseJH28 said:
"Every match"? I swear I'm playing a different game than everyone who complains about camping and tunneling on here. It's not every match, and it's not even ruining the matches it does happen in. If you've played even a moderate amount of killer you'd gain some insight as to why it's the best option at times and hopefully understand why it happens to you at times, or you'd realize you're being accused of it because you kicked a gen or broke a pallet before leaving the hook and someone else decided to run right in front of you for an unsafe unhook.
I played from 9PM EST the other night until 2AM EST and it was every damn match I was in I was camped or tunneled.
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@Carpemortum said:
Yet, it's the reason people ######### about so many things in the game. Amazing that people let imaginary useless numbers that represent and grant nothing, cause such frustration and hate. It's a game. Enjoy it or dont play imo.FireHazard said:@Eveline said:
It's easy to get to rank 1. You can't win all the games but you can pip most of them.Ranks and or pipping in-general means nothing...
Every other thread that is stating an issue (tunneling camping, swf squads, unbalanced killers) usually has the line in some form : "making it impossible to pip/get out of x rank", when you can still have fun, make a ton of bp, and still be tunneled and camped. I dont get it.It's not even about the numbers for me. I was just in a match where a killer literally camped me while on Hook until the second hook came down. That's the kind of stuff I hate. Obviously its going to be an automatic kill for a killer if they do it that way which is why I think it's unfair.
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@ClogWench said:
In all seriousness, work to improve your ability to loop the killer and make it hard to get caught in the first place.I'm fairly new to the game have only been playing since about August of last year so I do try!
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Its hard to work on a gen when you are being ######### chased (tunneled) by the Killer that's why I say its makes it harder to get your rank. I should have worded that better,