BBWH

I think tunneling and camping is the easiest skill to have and shows exactly how much the killer actually enjoys the game beyond "I'll stand here."

in The hidden Survivorrulebook problem in DBD Comment by BBWH March 25, 2021

I've found in the Level 14-10 or so that Killers camp all day at hooks and Survivors DQ'ing tons too. I was as low as 6 recently and once you start playing with better players and killers the game isn't as frustrating. AT 13 I saw two survivors enter lockers when I was downed and stay there til' I died. I was yelling "at least work on generators #########." I can admit when Killers spend all their time standing 10 feet from a hook, where I tried to save someone - get caught. They wait til the other person dies then puts me on a hook nearby to repeat. I'll DQ just so no one bothers to come get me.

in Who is teaching survivors how to play this game? Comment by BBWH March 25, 2021

@Gore_Nargai said:
This game is soo fun, but the community is so full of complains and toxicity in general.
Whenever i play killer, some random survivor show up with some "Stop/camping/slugging, etc u "#%!&$"
Whenever u play survivor the killer comes up with some "Nice gen rush u !#%!$&"
Honestly, what's wrong with people in this game, does really nobody realizes that in this game u get punish by wrong decisions made in the moment? You unhook a survivor at the wrong moment, repair at the wrong moment, take a wrong turn, take too long chasing, etc, you get punished by being hook, losing a gen, losing a match, etc. That's how it works, nobody is obliged to play according to your standards and you as a player are not entitled to impose a playstyle. I swear that most of the post in this forum are about players complaining about how other players play.
As far as my experience go, experience that is not that big, since i'm kinda new, in red rank, on where i'm currently sitting. If u tunnel or camp as a killer u lose. If a camping or tunneling killer does win, it's the complete fault of point thirsty survivor. So if someone is falling for a crappy strategy like that, it's that persons fault, not the killer.
Same with killer, if u get gen rushed with brand new parts and purple tool boxes, it's the killers fault for not knowing how to control, put pressure on the map and taking care of generators. It's not the faults of Survivors.
Survivor needs to repair and scape, killers needs to kill. Nobody is playing the game to make it easy for the counterpart.
So stop falling for stupid strategies (it may hurt u but yes camping it's a strategy, a crappy one, but a strategy nonetheless ) and learn how to counter, if you don't have no one to play with, go to the discord of DBD and play with people.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 19, 2020

@The_Bootie_Gorgon said:
If I see survivor(s) on the way to the hook, do I
A. Pretend not to see them and "search" for other survivors
B. Go to the furthest regions of space
C. Go AFK
D. Take advantage of the situation

Guess what. That isn’t anything close to what I’m describing. If survivors can be seen and you go chase them - great. If survivors can be seen and you plant yourself in front of the hook to watch one die - THAT is entirely different? You see that right? You see the point of pretending that takes any skill is false.

If I see a player while I’m on the hook being stupid than of COURSE I could care less if the killer gets them. That’s the POINT.

If this entire thread has proved ONE thing is that telling a Killer not to give the survivor no other choice but to stop playing that round since INEVITABLY it’s just watching the clock waiting to did - DON’T cry about players DQing.

thats it that’s all. Take it or leave it. Eat or roast it. Serve it on toast.

PLAY however you want to play.

BUT don’t get surprised when survivors aren’t twiddling there thumbs when they could be going to the next round.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 19, 2020

@hillbillyclaudmain69 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1757245#Comment_1757245
I don't camp personally. I'm a nurse main, so I get hate messages for... other things. But real talk though, if the killer has someone hooked in endgame, they should be camping to secure at least one kill. It's the smart thing to do, and you can't really get mad at it, because wen it's endgame, anything goes.

I feel the same way. There are scenarios where of COURSE you stay by the hooked player. At the end of the game it makes perfect sense to put let the players decide how they want to proceed. Escape easily or help out a teammate. What the majority of us are indicating is getting hooked in the first 3 minutes of a game and watching the killer do nothing else. I've even accounted killers who don't even try to get a rescuing survivor and instead just sit there and watch the hooked survivor die.

SAYING "well, the other survivors should instead go do gens DOES not erase the fact that MY game is now pointless. So NO. I'm not sticking around like a drown worm on the hook. So if the kill is so important - and the LESS points for the kill is so important - HERE have the points I"m out. Simple as that. YOU get your points. Now you can move on and do whatever the F you want and I can TOO. Win - Win .UNLESS you ge upset about players DQ'ing. For those Killers - ohhhh tooo bad. I'm not sorry about it - and as evidence in this thread NEITHER are you for the reason its happening in the first place. You don't get to complain -

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 19, 2020

@scrceress said:
Dear @BBWH
May I please play survivor with you? You worded the problem so well, I couldn't have said it better.

I've no idea how to make that happen - but I'm down.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 19, 2020

Every scenario is different. Perhaps if i was playing with better survivor's my feelings would be different. At this point - i still play to do my best and hope my whole team doesn't die. I'm just that sort of team player. If players are being stupid then of course that's not what I'm talking about. Watching time go by 80% of the time when a killer tunnels, forget it - I'M out. That's how I play. And i bet that's why you also see so many others drop out too. Play how you want. My opinion stands that a 10 year old can tunnel and get a kill and be so happy with themselves as if they've accomplished something.

No one is telling you to change your game. The comment is a judgement and an opinion. Like politics I don't expect to change your mind. J.ust point out an explanation for the common complaint of players DQ'ing. If you don't feel DQing is an issue for your games - Go on with your life and leave this thread.

I've nothing more to point out or say. And quite frankly - "I'll Play Anyway I Want" while saying "Go Find A New Game" is the height of feeling your argument won something - much like a game - that a 10 year old would play.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 19, 2020

@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1753258#Comment_1753258
you don't play killer right?

I have. And like any other 10 year old I could camp and get a kill. its SO cool to masturbate and wait and do NOTHING. Not just for the survivor on the hook but for the killer who thinks it takes "skills" to do so. I also only play solo. I don't play in teams where it will ALWAYS favor because they can communicate. In solo game we are relying on others to play a game that will benefit their game as well as their teams HOPEFULLY. But of course without communication there is no way to know.

I'm mainly in the lower teens for game play. The rampant camping is obnoxious. If you play higher skilled players - which I bet MOST of those who take the time to post in here do - i can see your arguments being valid. Especially for going against teams. AND I've seen MANY very skilled killers play and make all four kills without camping. When a 10 year old uses the same "strategy" that should tell you all you need to know about what kind of skills that person utilizes.

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in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 19, 2020

@Ace_Ventura said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1755436#Comment_1755436
To go with that - a couple weeks ago I had a game as Doctor on Gas Heaven. I found a Nancy in a locker in shack, hooked her in basement. I found a Dwight in a locker right beside shack (thanks to a Doctor illusion) and hooked him right next to shack. I saw the other Dwight urban evading toward shack to save the Nancy, and the Feng was right by the jungle gym where I just hooked Dwight. That's zero people on gens, and 2 people on hooks, all with 1 gen left, and no slow downs. That's a TON of pressure. So I hung around. They made it worse by all crowding around where the Dwight was hooked. I turned 4 people being alive at 1 gen left into a 4k at 1 gen left.
So yes, it IS a strat. OP, don't make stupid plays, don't get punished for stupid plays.

That is an entirely different scenario - in that case the PLAYERS are not utilizing THEIR skills or THEIR strategy. No one faults you for using the perks you have - to identify players who are surrounding the hooked survivor. All three did the same exact thing. THEIR gameplay was poor. IF THEY had played a better game I'm supposing you would have played differently and the outcome would be different YET - both you and the survivors continue to get to play and have the chance of winning.

That is smart game play against poor choices and game play by the survivor. You weren't lying in wait to watch the hooked survivor die. Doint that takes NO skill. And thats the point. What is appreciated by all is GOOD gameplay - not relying on the EASIST way to get a kill, just because you have no skills to anything else.

If people can't see that giving a player absolutely no chance of surviving EVER no matter what... and STILL stroking their egos at what a skillful player they are and the BEST at the game... just don't be surprised when players say FU we out,

THATS ALL.

And it still amazes me that players think they have this game down when all they can do is play how a 10 year old would play. Good luck. I"m out of this convo because i'm done explaining what is VERY obvious even if you feel your the BEST killer around Re-evaluate what "the best" is, because a respected and effective AND fun Killer doesn't rely on such a basic gameplay.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 18, 2020

@Mr_Mann said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1753230#Comment_1753230
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1753498#Comment_1753498
Ok I’m going to say it. It sucks to wait 15 minutes for a match to start, to die immediately because a killer is freakin lazy! I strongly believe a survivor should not be hooked the 2nd time within say 1.5 minutes. There should be a timer like Freddy. It’s no fun to die immediately and it’s not fair. Matchmaking really sucks and survivors can’t get good if they can’t play!
I always wondered if it was fun for a killer when they kill everyone in like 5 minutes. Why do they even play this game? If I was that good and it wasn’t challenging at all, I definitely would be bored to death and move on to another game.
Its straight bull__ when lazy killers camp!

@hillbillyclaudmain69 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1753258#Comment_1753258
So camping is an underhanded way of getting kills? What about genrushing being an underhanded way to escape? Sometimes the smartest thing to do is camp, so dont get mad if the killer is playing optimally. You sound like another entitled survivor main who thinks that he should get everything handed to him;)

no one is mad YOUR ego is bruised because the "strategy" is one that someone who JUST got this game would rely on. No one is sounding entilted in the least. YOU feel that way because when the truth that its MOST basic way to get a kill goes against your belief that you are "winning" the game that way. SURE. HAVE the kill. Its worth less points. JUST sit there and watch someone die. BUT - then you can't whine when people DQ.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 18, 2020

@Freki said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1755438#Comment_1755438
I agree if you dont want the killer around, give them a reason to leave. also if camping killer and you are on the hook, wait it all out. waste the killer's time while the others get the gens done! it sucks for points and pipping but that's ONE match... the next time it might be someone else and you do the gens etc.

I agree. I don't want the killer so close so that I watch the other players get duped and killed too. PO INTLESS. I'd rather jump off the hook til I'm dead and DQ that way. Or if I'm rescued and we both go down - I just duck out of the game. WHICH I BET is why a lot of people check out. I'm not talking about the players who drop out on first hook and don't give survivors a chance to try and save you.

I'm talking about the survivors who APPRECIATE and find a challenge with actually SKILLED Killers who don't use it. A 10 year old novice could do it. Play like a 10 year old then. I've better things to do with my time.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 18, 2020

@DBD78 said:
It's a good strategy since it works for most people. This thread is like saying gen rushing is not a strategy because it's not fun. You simply don't understand the word.

The strategy isn't good if a 10 year old can do it and get the same number of kills. Its merely behaving how every novice plays and hiding behind "but it works" and "I do it so its strategy."

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 18, 2020

@eff said:
In conclusion, killers should hook someone and then go to the opposite side of the map and facecamp a wall.

Yes. That's EXACTLY it. said no one in this post at all. If a survivor is stupid and running up to unhook while you are still in the terror radious all bets are off. If you purposely lie there waiting to catch and kill... go put a worm on another hook I could care less how you feel about your strategy, FAR and clear I rarely play killer. BUT when i do i also use the SIMPLEST way to get a kill. Think about that.. How long have you been playing and I can master that strategy whenever I decide to play. That isn't skill. It makes the game pointless for the players. If you get off on that then Camp however and whenever the ######### you want. If i'm playing team I tell them all to finish the gens and Ill sacrifice myself. if i'm playing solo - F YOU - STOP complaining about people DQ themselves when the point of survivor game isn't to be bait and watch the other survivors fall as a result. Play however the F you want. But don't get so pissed at survivors that want to play the game not sit there and wait for time to run out like 10 year old who just started playing. Its as simple as that.

THE BEST part about this is I play with TONS of killers who don't rely on the simplest way to kill all FOUR of the survivors. OVER and OVER they are so good the can get it done, without portraying If you FEELit is the best option for you to,,, to what? Stroke your ego? Ohhhhh if thats what you need than have at it. To get points.... Ohhhhh go get your points - that must be SO important to you so you can.... what? Get more Perks you don't care about using because you still just sit in a corner and masturbate while time runs out.

I find it hilarious the people who think this is the best game play must have NO idea that actually skilled killers don't sit in a corner as if they know how to win at this game. And i also find it hilarious you think you are so good at the game that pointing it out to you are just making people cry.

Everyone wants to have fun. Even if they die - they want to have fun.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 18, 2020

And like EVERY game you play - If its pointless - like you know your only bait left to hang and die - you start a board game without less money - - you start to play pool but they start with only three balls on the table - you play cards but you will never be dealt any Jack Queens or Kings - Screw That. go jerk off to your big win that was inevitable before the game even begun.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 17, 2020

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1755231#Comment_1755231
You should have been more specific then. That's facecamping and not "terror camping".

My idea of camping is making it impossible once the person is hung to have any chance from doing their best escape and utilizing the skills they've learned to evade or with assistance from another survivor. No matter what it called - making the game pointless is bad gameplay. Also, PLENTY of killers don't camp and win games all the time without taking all of the fun out of it. Chase and pursuit is 1/2 the game skills that separate the players from challenge you some times win or lose. Any game tgat feels inevitable it will be over for you no matter what happens - go play how you want - i have no desire to indulge you. If the win is so desperate - here have the points. I could really care less.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 17, 2020

I guess what I call camping is a different idea than what you are referencing here. You strategically TAKE a body to a space where there are multipole generators and options for players to take to try and rescue. At that point you may circle around a few times, expand your search a little and then who knows what may occur. This I can understand to lure people in and give chase to the survivor that's trying to unhook. It opens up the possibilities. It's also leaving the opportunity for 3rd player to swoop in and rescue -AND it can possibly lead to the killer to hook a second survivor nearby or not much farther away. In that case you are giving players options to also be strategic and work together, and if they aren't on a team, doing so in a cooperative way without conversation that TRIES to lead to different outcomes. This sounds like how people mainly play the game.

I am specifically pointing out the Killer who hooks you. Waits nearby or literally standing in front of you, preventing any rescue. Literally standing in front of the hook full view - no questions that anyone would ever get a chance and just watching someone die. I also feel if you are doing the same thing waiting mere feet away with an invisible perk I can see you. I can see where you "hid" I have better things to do then be bait. Why part of the lure? Why help you lure the other players in? Might as well save them from danger and save yourself pointlessly waiting to die That's being altruistic. Saving the players from getting killed to while they can just go keep working on generators. i get to go play a new game.

That is the difference. If no matter what, when you're on the hook then after immediately when you've been unhooked you are back on it before even taking two steps, then what's the point of me sticking around? If i don't even get a shot at trying to evade, why play? My skills aren't getting tested, your skills are at best, are amateurish and I have other matches with other players to go play instead.

BUT once again - You can play however you want. But if you camp in the way I'm describing specifically - Your complaints about survivors DCing is moot. Try actually playing the game WITH the survivors. A killer and a survivor just standing looking at each other waiting for the survivor to die - there is no longer any point to the game.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 17, 2020

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1755149#Comment_1755149
If everytime you hook someone you go straight to the other side of the map then you'll probably lose the game unless the survivors are potatoes that can't last 10 seconds in a chase or the survivors don't like generators. Against strong teams you have to use slugs and hooks as baits.
One of the most strategic things that experienced killers do is hooking someone near 3~4 gens and "Terror camping" as you like to say. Literally any player does that and it's one of the things you see the most at tournaments, but yeah these players have no skill right?

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 17, 2020

Why does it have to be EITHER OR? Even going to the next Gen on either side is close enough to head back if they get released. But at least the game FEELS like you have a shot to try and escape without the killers hacking you down before your even move from the hook.

i am not implying you must let players win by going all the way across the map... but injuring more players and actually letting them play - and trying to get healed or hunting them down in a great chase.

What game is worth playing if you KNOW you are just going to die in less than 5 minutes? Would you feel like sticking around for any game that STARTS the moment it starts as a losing game, why play?

If a KILLER knew they would lose as soon as they hooked one person - what’s the fun? Would your skills improve? Would your points? Are are you just deciding, “wow, sitting here watching someone die is so fun. I’ll just stand here and watch. This is so fun not moving. Whoopee this is thrilling.”

But like I said.... skilled players do not rely on the most simple way to get a kill. If you want to play that simply, then I’ll simply let you and say Bye!

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 17, 2020

@Crowman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1755149#Comment_1755149
Sometimes defending hooks is the better tactic than defending gens if survivors are super altruistic about it. If you want to give the killer a good reason to not stand near hooks, do gens.
If you are going to d/c whenever a killer "camps" you should probably just find a different game to play instead.

What is being altruistic? Staying on a hook. Watching players come closer to try and save and then they get killed and hooked too? What is altruistic staying on a hook so other players get to continue to make points while you sit there waiting to die? Let me put it this way - camping on hooks is the absolute easiest way to guarantee kills. Either as bate or players letting them die. It’s just so simple to do. If that’s how you want to play I could care less. But I’m not gonna sit around and wait when I can easily go join a new game.

And I’m sure I’m not alone. If you get upset because players D/C so easily - they likely are doing it because what’s the point? You want the point? Here, have them, If that gets you off. BUT if you also complain about players who D/C then F you. Learn to play without making the game absolutely pointless if I stay in the game - meaning I don’t get to play at all if I stay or from staying and gaining no points from leaving.

But you do you Boo. Like I said - if you get off playing that way Go For It. But do not expect people to just hang on a hook when they know it’s pointless and can easily go to a new game by jumping off the hook three times in a row and die anyway.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 17, 2020

@[Deleted User] said:
"Terror camping" is the most funny thing I've read on this forum LOL. You guys won't be happy until the killer goes AFK for 60 seconds after hooking someone.

I don’t think a killer who stays within 95% striking distance has skills. That’s all. It’s a waste of everybody’s time. Why indulge a killer with me as bate when I can say f you drop out and find a new game. If they need the points they aren’t getting as many by playing that way and if it’s because their egos are so fragile they need the win so badly then by all means -here. You killer me. Happy dear?

And I didn’t say it was cheating. Sure it’s an available option but not one I feel is good sportsmanship and I’d rather play with experienced killers who need their ego strokes to get a win in a video game.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 17, 2020

@SaltyNooty said:
So, to keep it short; the killer isn't straight face camping but they're terror radius camping. Its like they won't face camp you, but they won't let you out of their terror radius.
For the record, this isn't a strat; it's a crutch, muchlike NOED. This usually leads to tunneling, Slugging, and or straight face camping when the killer fails. I don't know why people call it a strat to win if you have to resort to camping yo get a kill; it's lowkey pathetic if you have to resort to that. It's not every day that I see people tunneling, face camping, or just going so low just to get a kill but its the ones who do that get really get me.
Usually, I see that in lower ranks and that's very often. I haven't been running into NOED often but I HAVE been running into campers and tunnelers. For the record, it doesn't make you any less of a bad killer if you have to resort to camping and tunneling to get your precious 4k; and no, again, it's not a strategy to win, it's a crutch.
A strategy is a plan something THAT you think up and roll out. To getting a better definition; this is what the dictionary says.
Strategy - Noun - a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim.
Camping does NOT fall under this pretext because you didn't plan it out, you just said "Okay, so I suck or I want my 4k so I'll resort to just making the game unfun for everyone and get what I want." That's right, I'm calling ya out on it. So, don't try to call it a strat.
Back to my main focus, Terror Camping. Yeah, so this lowkey ain't really fun for many because if you don't have deliverance; you're screwed. It basically says "That's right, I'm camping and i'll slug you if you Come any closer." This apparently works out with killers like myers, ghost face and stealth killers in general. This leads to the survivor being put in the second phase, The team rushing the killer, the survivor gets tunneled and it's an easy kill for the killer; again, not a strat, it's a crutch. I've seen people DC from this either because that killer is tunneling them and has a Mori, or because they were basically tunneled the whole game. *Not fun.* Can we work to avoid doing this?

Here is what I’ve found all day. I’m level 14 but have been lower. The killers who camp are so annoying because it’s there only skill. I’ve played 6 games today and all 6 camped.

Im sure I’m not alone when people get annoyed when players drop out. BUT - it I go to rescue 2 people and both times the killer is camping, I either walk straight to the killer. Let him hook me so I can go play a different game. If IM on the hook and the killers camping me I’ll just hit close and go to my Boyfriends profile instead of the penalty is on.

i Just don’t care to indulge in game play with these killers. It isn’t fun. If they want the points so badly, or they find it so fulfilling to use me as bate... screw you. I have better things to do with my time then indulge a poor player without any skills to actually play the game.

in Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat. Comment by BBWH November 16, 2020

@ChiSoxFan11 said:
I was playing as The Nurse the other night. Three cakes in the lobby, none of them mine. Almost immediately after I blinked (and found a survivor), that survivor (who, it turns out, had been one of those who had brought in a cake), DC'ed without even being hit, presumably because they didn't want to face a Nurse.
I've played The Nurse less than a dozen times. I was actually running only one perk (Nurse's) and was playing simply to practice against live players and learn her mechanics since I'm, not surprisingly, terrible with her at this point. The other three survivors figured that out soon enough. I ended up getting a few hits in, actually downing a couple of people. One of them generously sacrificed themselves willingly during the EGC, the three remaining players all racked up huge bloodpoint totals and the other two easily escaped (I did pretty okay myself in BP as well), and I got some good practice in on a tough killer.
I only hope the person who DC'ed hung around long enough to see what they deprived themselves of (BP wise) by quitting on their team in what would have been a ridiculously easy match for them the way they did, lol.
In a different situation against a competent killer, that person who DC'ed would have been putting his fellow survivors at a huge disadvantage by thinking only of themselves. The DC penalties can't come back soon enough.

I can’t count the number of times in the first 2 minutes of the game someone DC’s with one hit. It’s not “rage” it’s “lazy” and childish like they need a trophy or they won’t play their video game.

when I see it I yell “Why?” Because it makes no sense to me. Players DCing early should be a penalty. And IMO a point penalty for Kikees who wait the clock standing in front of the hook. Like do tunnel and slowly your regular points dwindle they longer you stand there.