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Question about the games rules and some suggestions its a problem currently.

AlwaysintheFog AlwaysintheFog
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My friend got banned for playing against a streamer and after I looked through the game rules and EULA agreement multiple times, I still couldn't understand what exactly did they get banned for. But this isn't about my friend or the streamer or whatever, I want to know what exactly do the following things mean and would like to see some small examples if you could provide me with those.


So, the game rules say the following: 

THE FOLLOWING ARE NOT CONSIDERED BANNABLE OFFENSES - PLEASE DO NOT REPORT 

*.... 

* Streamsniping 

* Teabagging 

* Looping 

*....


The person was doing all 3, then teabagging stopped and he was just streamsniping and looping the killer. What exactly does streamsniping mean? They were playing against a streamer maybe once or twice a day (but every day), that's streamsniping, so I thought, that's not bannable, right? Why did they get banned then?


My next guess was they got banned for harassment or griefing which they said was the reason. 

Game rules say the following: 

HARASSMENT: COMMUNICATIONS ABUSE 

*Repeated harassment


Ok, so what does harassment mean in the first place? Does streamsniping also happen to be harassment? And if they played against the streamer once or twice a day, does that mean it was repeated harassment? Very confused.


GRIEFING: INTENTIONAL GAMEPLAY ABUSE 

Targeting specific users repeatedly in order to ruin their game experience


So this, as my friend claimed, was the reason they got banned. Streamsniping is targeting a specific user already, that's 1/3 of the rule. 

Did they do it repeatedly? Does versing the same person once or twice a day counts as repeatedly? That's 2/3 of the rule. 

And what exactly does "ruin their game experience" mean? Because I'm pretty sure that each person has a different definition of their game being ruined, I consider ruining the game experience to be sandbagging fellow survivors, mori-spamming for 3 minutes, bodyblocking survivors on the old basement stairs etc. But someone (like some streamers in particular) will consider a lost game a ruined gaming experience. And what do we do? What is the official DBD's definition of the gaming experience being ruined? I'm very curious. Because technically, you can repeatedly target a specific person to not ruin their gaming experience, how does that griefing ban work then?


The person was streamsniping and got banned for griefing, doesn't make much sense to me.


So, I am asking you to tell someone to update the game rules, either make streamsniping a bannable offense or define streamsniping and specify what exact actions are allowed.


The final request, explain this: 

"HARASSMENT: COMMUNICATIONS ABUSE 

*Repeated harassment" 

And this: 

"GRIEFING: INTENTIONAL GAMEPLAY ABUSE 

Targeting specific users repeatedly in order to ruin their game experience"


Explain these two in details on the official "Game rules" page. There are either changes, hidden rules or mistakes in the rules because a person was banned for griefing while the only thing they did was joining a streamer's lobby (streamsniping which, again, is not bannable) with the intent to play together. Looks like the griefing definition doesn't match. Not only the definition doesn't match, the streamer's VODs give you an ability to see 1. Count how many times they were sniped by that person and 2. See that they played like an average survivor which doesn't seem like griefing or harassment to me.


So, please update the rules or make them clear, thanks.

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  • RakimSockem RakimSockem

    I can tell you now that a mod will close this because discussion of bans isn't allowed on the forums but like you said, you can't be banned for those things and it will give you a reason for the ban.

  • ActualPotatoBtw ActualPotatoBtw

    @RakimSockem said:

    I can tell you now that a mod will close this because discussion of bans isn't allowed on the forums but like you said, you can't be banned for those things and it will give you a reason for the ban.

    This is more of a discussion of unclear rules which are indeed unclear. The OP said it's not about the friend or the ban.

  • AlwaysintheFog AlwaysintheFog

    @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/617153#Comment_617153

    I agree that discussion about a particular ban is not allowed but discussion about the rules of banning should be allowed. He only used his friend as an example.

    Exatcly. I'm not discussing somebody's ban etc I'm using it as its a very good example to discuss the rules of banning and the big grey area there currently is.

  • Mandy Mandy

    This is technically discussing a ban so I am going to close it. The game rules are pretty clear and when you receive your ban you are given the reason - it's pretty clear cut.

    The information about what is considered griefing etc is clearly listed on our game rules on this very forum - Stream Sniping is not bannable, but if someone is intentionally ruining someone's game over a period of time, then of course that is considered griefing - but just simply joining their match is not a bannable offence.

    @not_Queen said:

    Hello, good people of the fog!

    We now have a team Associate Community Managers, as well as an updated in-game report system.
    With your help, we will be able to find the players who are creating a bad game experience and punish them appropriately, making the game a better place.

    HOW TO REPORT A PLAYER

    You may only report things that happen directly to you or in a game that you were in.
    Reporting for other people is not allowed and these reports will be discarded.
    (ie. Reporting someone on behalf of a friend, streamer, or other)

    Fill the In-game report

    An In-game report MUST be made. This is not optional, and is a must to help us identify the person in your game as well as find any other evidence we need.

    Customer Support ticket?

    • Video evidence is required or heavily suggested for some offenses, please refer to the lists below.
    • Whilst you can report offenses directly to our support, please only do so for serious offenses like cheating, hacking, DOX/death threats.

    Discarded reports reasons

    THE FOLLOWING ARE NOT CONSIDERED BANNABLE OFFENSES - PLEASE DO NOT REPORT

    • Camping
    • Slugging
    • Tunneling
    • Streamsniping
    • Teabagging
    • Bodyblocking
    • Looping
    • Tapping generators with ruin

    NOTE:
    We do not control anything that happens outside of Dead by Daylight.
    This includes private Steam messages/groups/names, PS4/XBOX messages, Discord messages, Twitch/social media interactions, etc. Anything that occurs on these platforms must be reported to the respective authorities.

    PERMANENT BANS

    List of bannable offenses

    Hacking in-game exclusives and / or legacy skins

    The acquiring of any in-game skin through anything other than official channels (ie. codes, giveaways, etc.)
    The possession of legacy skins without earning them. The cutoff to earn legacy skins happened on November 24, 2016. If a player has obtained legacy skins after this date, then it is considered cheating.
    In-game report REQUIRED / Customer Support ticket REQUIRED

    Cheated progress / modifying your save file

    We need the profile of the person you are reporting. Reportable via support team.
    Using any 3rd party software or other method to cheat your save file or any measure of progress contained within your save file. This includes using someone else’s save file.
    In-game report REQUIRED / Customer Support ticket REQUIRED

    Threats

    Excessive and serious threats against someone, including DOX threats, life threats, disclosing private information, etc.
    You can fill a support ticket to provide more information, Screenshots and video are optional, but highly recommended.
    Reminder: everything that happens out of the game should be reported to the appropriate platform. (ie: Twitch, Discord, Steam, Sony, Microsoft)
    In-game report REQUIRED / Customer Support ticket OPTIONAL

    Other Hacks

    In-game report under Unsportsmanlike is MANDATORY
    Using 3rd party software or other tools to gain any kind of unfair advantage that wasn’t intended by the game, except if they have been whitelisted by us. We are not banning for the use of communication apps.
    In-game report REQUIRED / Customer Support ticket REQUIRED

    TEMPORARY BAN

    List of bannable offenses

    24h -> 48h -> 1w -> Permanent

    This is a sliding scale and determined on a case-by-case basis. If an offense is considered to be particularly egregious, the duration of the ban may skip one or more steps in this process.

    Any previous permanent bans on your record will result in all future offenses being a permanent ban.

    Harassment: Communications Abuse

    • Insults, intimidation, hateful speech, repeated harassment
      In-game report REQUIRED

    Griefing: Intentional Gameplay Abuse

    • Working with the opposite team to gain an advantage or grief teammates
    • Targeting specific users repeatedly in order to ruin their game experience
    • Holding the game hostage
      In-game report REQUIRED / Customer Support ticket OPTIONAL

    Exploits: Abusing bugs or errors in design to gain a competitive advantage

    • Advertising exploits
    • Exploit bugs, errors in design, or undocumented features to gain access to what otherwise would not be available or to obtain a competitive advantage
      In-game report REQUIRED / Customer Support ticket OPTIONAL

    Specific exploits that we will ban for until they are resolved:

    • Bloodweb Progress/Prestige Exploit
    • 2+ Killer Exploits
    • Legion Filthy/Nasty Blade Exploit

    Unsportsmanlike Conduct

    • Botting
    • Lag switching
    • Disconnects (leaving the match before killed or sacrificed) - DO NOT REPORT
      For both Botting and Lag switching, in-game reports are REQUIRED / Customer Support ticket OPTIONAL

    About Disconnects bans - DO NOT REPORT

    The escalation is now 1 week / 2 weeks / 4 weeks / Permanent ban

    BAN APPEALS

    Cannot be appealed

    • Temporary bans
    • Social Media (Forums, Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram)
    • Fan sites / Fan groups

    Permanent bans : APPEALS

    Send a Ticket to support.deadbydaylight.com
    If the ban is an automated EAC ban, please contact EAC directly.

    Console bans

    The rules are the same as the PC bans

    Crossplatform ban evasion

    Players who have violated our rules multiple times leading to permanent bans could get their access revoked on any accounts they make if the player is seen committing bannable offenses after the very first permanent ban. The structure and severity of these bans are followed throughout any platform.

    Abuse of Support Services

    This includes making false support tickets and lying to support agents. Our agents are always here to help the community. However, those making false tickets just to get a step ahead of everyone else and take advantage hinders our ability to better help everyone. Penalties include suspension of your support services, up to a permanent ban of your in-game account.


    I suggest if your friend is in any way confused by their ban that they contact support who will give them more information.

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