BHVR if you don't undo some ptb nerfs, you are going to lose alot of players

DaGreenBolt

Currently the ptb has brought changes that really nerfed killers and buffed survivors big time. I'm expecting that some killers mains like myself will leave dbd for awhile as the current state of the ptb looks like another form of the dark times maybe upon us.

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@Cali said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/439909#Comment_439909

General killer nerfs:

- removed the ability to be able to prevent the unhook prompt from popping up by standing in front of a hooked survivor

- buffed pallets from the stun happening at the middle of the pallet drop animation to the start of the animation

- the ammount of pallets have been increasing each time shortly after they supposedly made less pallets spawn on the maps

- Nerfed bloodlust (3 times)

- increased the hook timer by 15 seconds per stage

- Removed the ability to be able to bypass borrowed time with insta down mechanics*

- removed the ability to be able to consume decisive strike without it having any effect on the killer when dropped*

- Made it harder to rank up for killers with the victory cube

- nerfed the ivory and ebony memento mori offerings

- Changed the killer's fov to make it harder to see survivors at a very close range*

- Changed the scratch marks to in many instances not accurately represent where the survivor ran off to*

- Changed the sound occlusion multiple times to make it harder for killers to hear where survivors are*

- added indicators for survivors to tell them when certain hex perks are being used

- increased the (default) duration of the stun after wiggling out

- Increased the wiggle penalty for dropping survivors from 25% to 33%.

- reduced the size of the target lock-on hitbox of survivors

- added the ability for survivors to be able to enter the hatch from all angles

- removed the killer's ability to be able to see survivors on hooks

- added that the killer blocks the aura of the hooked survivor when the killer stands or moves in front of the hooked survivor from the point of view of a survivor looking at the hooked survivor*

- added tiles in which there are areas which are unsurpassable for killers, but passable for survivors (the so called "fat shaming" spots)*

- increased the angle from which you can blind killers

- increased the range from which killers can be stunned with a pallet drop

- added the pallet vacuum for survivors

- changed the combine harvesters on coldwind farms to be more survivor sided (twice)

- removed the killer's ability to be able to fly*

- reduced the ammount of crows that spawn on the map

- changed the way survivors interact with crows by making it so that when a survivor crouches near a crow it will not alert the crow

- reduced the ammount of information that is available to the killer about the survivors in the pre-game lobby

- reduced the overall skillcheck chances of survivors working on generators which decreases the overall effectiveness of perks which affect skillchecks

- Removed the 3 O'clock skillchecks which decreases the overall effectiveness of perks which affect skillchecks

- Made it so that survivors can blind and force the killer to drop the survivor they were picking up during the pickup animation (twice)

- Removed the ability to have no cooldown when you hit a survivor right next to an object*

- Removed the ability to be able to reduce the effects from wiggling by hitting a wall while carrying a survivor*

- Removed the ability to be able to push survivors away from hooks

- Nerfed the mangled status effect from 25% to 20%

Perks:

- nerfed shadowborn (twice)

- nerfed spies from the shadows (spies from the shadows did not work at all for a long period of time)*

- nerfed bloodhound

- nerfed No one escapes death (twice)

- nerfed Play with your food

- nerfed Save the best for last

- nerfed unrelenting

- nerfed thrill of the hunt

- nerfed iron grasp (twice)

- nerfed brutal strength

- nerfed deerstalker

- nerfed a nurse's calling

- nerfed franklin's demise

- nerfed sloppy butcher

- nerfed thanataphobia (removed dead survivors affecting the living)*

- nerfed knock out (made open handed affect it)

- nerfed whispers (increased the volume of the whispers to make it harder to hear survivors)*

- nerfed tinkerer

Trapper:

- removed the ability to be able to trap hooks

- increased the minimal distance at which the trapper can place a trap next to another one

- changed honing stone from putting someone into the dying state guarranteed, to having a mere 50% chance of putting a survivor into the dying state after having been caught in a trap

- shadownerfed the size of the hit box of the trapper's traps several times

- changed the setting trap indicator to no longer match where the trapper actually sets his traps (twice)*

- removed the trapper's ability to be able to place traps on the hatch

- decreased the time it takes to disable a trap from 5 seconds to 2 seconds

- removed the ability to be able to set traps through staircases and certain floors*

- changed the trapper's traps to get stuck into walls or other objects when the traps were disabled or the killer would grab someone out of a trap near a wall or object*

Hillbilly:

- increased the duration of the stun when bumping into an object

- removed the ability to flick*

- removed bloodlust from when using his chainsaw*

- reduced the effectiveness of the addons which reduce the volume of the chainsaw

- increased the cooldown on the hillbilly's chainsaw

- removed the ability to be able to instantly break a pallet with the hillbilly's chainsaw within a 3 second window when the hillbilly had revved up his chainsaw and afterwards didn't hit anything at any given point after the last time he broke a pallet*

- removed the hillbilly's ability to be able to put a survivor into the dying state while simultaneously breaking a pallet when a survivor slides over a pallet as the pallet is being chainsawed*

Wraith:

- added an increased cloaking time on the windstorm addons (white and blood)

- increased the rarity of the blink (previously mud, now blood) addon without changing it's qualities

- removed the ability to be able to gain deviousness points by cloaking and decloaking in front of a hooked survivor*

- removed the ability to be able to appear as cloaked for survivors while not being cloaked*

Nurse:

- reduced the ammount of default blinks from 3 to 2

- reduced the nurse's movement speed from being the same as trapper, wraith, hillbilly etc. to being even slower than the movement speed of survivors (while running)

- nerfed every single addon she has

- nerfed the range of her lunge after a blink (three times)

- removed the ability to be able to look up during her fatigue*

- removed the ability to be able to break pallets, interact and grab during the nurse's fatigue*

- added an attack slowdown when swinging while carrying a survivor*

- removed the nurse's ability to be able to blink on top of the shack

- added the ability to be able to lightburn the nurse while she is charging up a blink

- changed the way the nurse's blink works to make it so that the nurse would always blink into the basement when blinking near it*

- added the weapon swipe animation after hitting someone after a blink before going into fatigue*

- added the ability to be able to pallet stun a nurse (although they removed the ability to be able to stun her mid blink and not just after a blink, it has been confirmed that this will be brought back in the future)

Shape:

- removed the ability to be able to stalk multiple survivors at once

- reduced the movement speed on the vanity mirror

- reduced the point generation on the vanity mirror and the scratched mirror

- removed bloodlust from evil within 1*

- added the vulnerable indicator for survivors when the shape goes into evil within 3

- reduced the ammount of bloodpoints the shape gets in the deviousness category from stalking

- removed the shape's hitbox while stalking

- removed the ability to be able to end a chase instantly by stalking to gain tokens on PWYF rapidly*

- removed the ability to be able to stalk survivors in lockers*

- removed the ability to be able to stalk survivors who have left the level*

Hag:

- added the ability to not trigger any traps when crouching over them

- removed the hag's ability to be able to recover from decisive strike and a wiggle out instantly*

- added an indicator for survivors to tell them when they are affected by the waterlogged shoe addon

- removed the terror radius from the hag phantasms*

- removed bloodlust from using the scarred hand

- changed the scarred hand to no longer bodyblock the moment the trap triggers, and can also no longer trap survivors when a survivor is stuck between a phantasm and an object*

- removed the ability to be able to have traps triggered by dying survivors

- changed the hag's pallet breaking animation in such a way that it makes the hag look downwards when she breaks a pallet, instead of forwards

- removed the outline of the hag phantasm when a trap is triggered*

Doctor:

- added an attack slowdown when swinging while carrying a survivor*

- removed the doctor's ability to be able to shock injured survivors from a massive distance*

- snapping out of it no longer counts as healing (thus perks that affect healing no longer affect snapping out of it)

Huntress:

- changed the iridescent head to remove 4 hatchets from your inventory, instead of removing only 2 hatchets from your inventory

- removed the ability to be able to throw hatchets without losing any tokens on play with your food*

- added that the huntress slows down massively when she puts away her hatchet after she pulled it out*

- Reduced the effectiveness of the addons which reduce the huntress' windup time.

Cannibal:

- removed bloodlust from when using his chainsaw*

Nightmare:

- added an indicator to tell survivors when someone is asleep

- increased the size of the nightmare's terror radius from 16m to 24m

- added a 3 second slowdown after putting someone to sleep

- added that you wake up when you recover from the dying state

- removed the ability to be able to rapidly put multiple survivors to sleep (this has recently been re-added again)*

- changed adrenaline to make it wake up the survivor who is using it when it activates

- removed the ability to be able to put survivors to sleep who are in lockers*

Pig:

- Removed the ability to be able to kill someone with a reverse bear trap by dropping them behind an exit gate*

This list is ike a year old. Theres probably even more.

someone that get it killers get the crushing nerfs with survivors getting the small nerf.

Bhvr should listen to high ranks/esports players. survivors are not balanced so the devs try to balance killers around them. killers should be OP by defaut and survivors get balanced from this starting point.

Some nerf were necessary but a lot weren't. now they are nerfing Pig that suffer as it is now. Devs are coward that don't do what has to be done.

Cali

@CaptainCastle said:

Lol why are you bothering yeet? It's pretty clear they don't have any idea what they're talking about beyond "hurr hurr whiney killers" lol

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Theluckyboi

Currently the ptb has brought changes that really nerfed killers and buffed survivors big time.

Meh, the devs dont care neither do most of the core fanbase, no one who is has actually played the game for a long time will leave because of three nerfs

People were saying the same when the pip changes and the nerf to decisive strike came into play, i have yet to see any of them actually leaving the game

DaGreenBolt

I would like to point out to people attempting to claim "I like exploits or something" that I don't use exploits. So far all I'm seeing are survivors exploiting going outside of the map yet that isn't addressed for some reason. But back on topic:

The legion is controversial but how is nerfing legion to worse than freddy tier a rework? They even nerfed his cooldowns as BHVR doesn't want to make legion viable as to prevent uproar from the survivor side of the community. At this point, there is really no incentive to play legion, even his adept achievement will be near impossible unless you derank (which is scummy), or wait for rank reset. There were other ways to keep FF but to make him fun and enjoyable while making him at least a mid tier killer.

The Pig nerfs were really unnecessary, granted they did remove one of them, but the face you can leave with an inactive trap on really dropped the pig from mid-tier to low tier, IDK if shes at the same level of freddy, worse, or barely better. Pig could have been a top teir killer with how strong her endgame is and the fact that there was so many options to fix this which one option was to make 2 boxes have two keys instead of one box when endgame happens.

Remember me nerf was unnecessary as endgame can only happen when killer closes the hatch, opens the gate, or when a survivor opens a gate. Remember me wouldn't effect the endgame as the gate needs to be open which is the most likely the scenario will happen at.

The only thing I like so far is that now endgame lasts 2 minutes which is far more balanced than 3 minutes.