Hex totems and exit gates

douggie123

Hex totems:
- Put skill checks on hex totems and if they miss a skill check they start again.
- Give killers a built in Thrill of the hunt
- Allow killers to know which hex totem is which if they have more than one hex
- Make it so survivors get put into the injured state after cleansing a hex totem
- Allow killers to see the auras of survivors for 5/10 seconds after they have cleansed a hex totem.
- Allow killers to place their own hex totems at the start of the game so they can place them accordingly (This might not actually work but it's an idea which could be tried in a PTB)

Exit gates:
- Put skill checks on exit gates and if the survivor misses a skill check then the get drops back to the beginning (If they miss a skill check the next time the gate lever is powered and succeeded a built in bloodwarden occurs for 25/30 seconds as a minor punishment ( Add a perk in which allows survivors to remove skill checks)
- If a survivor comes off of the exit gate lever for example when they see the killer coming straight for them drop the exit gate progress bar to the start.
- Put one or two hard skill checks on the exit gates without progress penalties if they miss them but give the killer a notification which occurs with the gen skill check misses

Boss

I like most Hex stuff cause they're always super weak in that way.
But i've seen that last Hex suggestion before and i dislike it heavily.
Any Hex Perks that you want to hide from Survivors will now not be secret at all, cause you're busy setting the Totems while they gotta wait for you to finish that, signaling you have a Hex Perk.
I also believe they might be too buffed with all of that together, but i'd have to see that.

As for Exit Gates, Skill Checks on those is silly.
With Hex Totems, you're messing around with curses, it's why you don't just kick them over.
But this is just holding down a lever.

Avariku

please tell me this is a joke post.

this is so ridiculously killer sided that its hilarious. 

maybe one or two of the smaller changes  but all of these together... no. Absolutely not.

douggie123

This post I am expecting all the survivor main community to start giving salty comments and say things like oh this is op.

EmpyreanSin

How bad are you as Killer that you want to so brutally handicap a Survivor? I mean, that's some seriously heavy stuff you want put against them. You basically want them to be incapable of working on hex totems or exit gates. 

Avariku

and I'm pretty far from a survivor main, so you can drop that.  xD

The_Crusader

douggie123 said:

This post I am expecting all the survivor main community to start giving salty comments and say things like oh this is op.

Well it is.

Survivors have had it bad enough recently, how about cutting them a little break?

The escape rate is under 50%, at what point ks the game "balanced"? When it's under 30%? Survivors need to enjoy the game too.

Hexes weren't designed to last all game. In fact they weren't designed for standard killers at all. I only take Ruin on hag because she can defend it and mostly it's to buy her time to lay some traps and to compensate for her slow speed at crossing the map to check gens.

Vietfox

EmpyreanSin said:

How bad are you as Killer that you want to so brutally handicap a Survivor? I mean, that's some seriously heavy stuff you want put against them. You basically want them to be incapable of working on hex totems or exit gates. 

Damn you! That's exactly what i was thinking when i was reading the post but you said it before.
OP must be really bad at this game if needs all that stuff to do well indeed.

douggie123

Well I didn't say put them all in and small changes could be made so that it doesn't appear to be too op. I did say the hex totem placement by killer probably wouldn't work. There just needs to be some way that hex totems can last longer than around 30 seconds. The exit gates but was just to see how much salt I would receive but they do need to be slowed down i stead of 20 seconds to open them why not like 40 - 60 seconds because you get the trolls who open the exit gates 20 seconds and they teabag you at the exit. People will say use remember me but this doesn't always work because if the host finds it funny to DC then remember me is screwed over.

Avariku

so you want exit gates to take almost as long as a gen?  there's only two to patrol and they're often pretty close to eachother. 

and the fact that you state you were intentionally trying to see how much salt you could get makes it hard to take any of this post seriously. 

EmpyreanSin

Vietfox said:

EmpyreanSin said:

How bad are you as Killer that you want to so brutally handicap a Survivor? I mean, that's some seriously heavy stuff you want put against them. You basically want them to be incapable of working on hex totems or exit gates. 

Damn you! That's exactly what i was thinking when i was reading the post but you said it before.
OP must be really bad at this game if needs all that stuff to do well indeed.

No joke. It's not even like a small handicap. It's a full on post of trying to completely brutalize and incapacitate the Survivors. They already complain about the hatch, now the exit gates and totems? What next? Am I going to read complaints about how they need more generators to be finished? Or about how they should be visible if they're in the basement, no matter the distance of the Killer? 

douggie123

Hahahaha reel them in reel them in. I have caught a few good ones. Course it's bait post.
The_Crusader said:

douggie123 said:

This post I am expecting all the survivor main community to start giving salty comments and say things like oh this is op.

Well it is.

Survivors have had it bad enough recently, how about cutting them a little break?

The escape rate is under 50%, at what point ks the game "balanced"? When it's under 30%? Survivors need to enjoy the game too.

Hexes weren't designed to last all game. In fact they weren't designed for standard killers at all. I only take Ruin on hag because she can defend it and mostly it's to buy her time to lay some traps and to compensate for her slow speed at crossing the map to check gens.

And are you having a laugh survivors are loved the most killers get screwed constantly by various perks. I heard that they are making massive buffs to Borrowed time and how much is this going to screw the killer over. This seems to be survivor sided. I play both killer and survivor and survivors don't really have it that bad considering I still manage to screw killers over.

Vietfox

EmpyreanSin said:

Vietfox said:

EmpyreanSin said:

How bad are you as Killer that you want to so brutally handicap a Survivor? I mean, that's some seriously heavy stuff you want put against them. You basically want them to be incapable of working on hex totems or exit gates. 

Damn you! That's exactly what i was thinking when i was reading the post but you said it before.
OP must be really bad at this game if needs all that stuff to do well indeed.

No joke. It's not even like a small handicap. It's a full on post of trying to completely brutalize and incapacitate the Survivors. They already complain about the hatch, now the exit gates and totems? What next? Am I going to read complaints about how they need more generators to be finished? Or about how they should be visible if they're in the basement, no matter the distance of the Killer? 

I'm surprised no one has suggested yet the idea of a hex killing the survivor who cleanse it.

douggie123

But I can't deny certain changes need to be made for the game to last longer without gen rush issues and I aren't a bad killer at all it just depends if I get put in a toxic pit or a fair place.

Avariku

good for you, you outed yourself as a toxic troll with nothing constructive to add and instead adds idiotic posts for the sole purpose of pissing off people who have had enough of your killer main crap.

pat yourself on the back a little more and see if maybe you could one day be productive instead of a living/breathing meme?

douggie123

douggie123 said:

Hahahaha reel them in reel them in. I have caught a few good ones. Course it's bait post.
The_Crusader said:

douggie123 said:

This post I am expecting all the survivor main community to start giving salty comments and say things like oh this is op.

Well it is.

Survivors have had it bad enough recently, how about cutting them a little break?

The escape rate is under 50%, at what point ks the game "balanced"? When it's under 30%? Survivors need to enjoy the game too.

Hexes weren't designed to last all game. In fact they weren't designed for standard killers at all. I only take Ruin on hag because she can defend it and mostly it's to buy her time to lay some traps and to compensate for her slow speed at crossing the map to check gens.

And are you having a laugh survivors are loved the most killers get screwed constantly by various perks. I heard that they are making massive buffs to Borrowed time and how much is this going to screw the killer over. This seems to be survivor sided. I play both killer and survivor and survivors don't really have it that bad considering I still manage to screw killers over.

EmpyreanSin said:

Vietfox said:

EmpyreanSin said:

How bad are you as Killer that you want to so brutally handicap a Survivor? I mean, that's some seriously heavy stuff you want put against them. You basically want them to be incapable of working on hex totems or exit gates. 

Damn you! That's exactly what i was thinking when i was reading the post but you said it before.
OP must be really bad at this game if needs all that stuff to do well indeed.

No joke. It's not even like a small handicap. It's a full on post of trying to completely brutalize and incapacitate the Survivors. They already complain about the hatch, now the exit gates and totems? What next? Am I going to read complaints about how they need more generators to be finished? Or about how they should be visible if they're in the basement, no matter the distance of the Killer? 

You know the hatch is a real issue and territorial imperative does the job of telling me when a survivor is in my basement.

Boss

@Avariku said:
good for you, you outed yourself as a toxic troll with nothing constructive to add and instead adds idiotic posts for the sole purpose of pissing off people who have had enough of your killer main crap.

pat yourself on the back a little more and see if maybe you could one day be productive instead of a living/breathing meme?

Now hey, living memes are awesome asf.

EmpyreanSin

Vietfox said:

EmpyreanSin said:

Vietfox said:

EmpyreanSin said:

How bad are you as Killer that you want to so brutally handicap a Survivor? I mean, that's some seriously heavy stuff you want put against them. You basically want them to be incapable of working on hex totems or exit gates. 

Damn you! That's exactly what i was thinking when i was reading the post but you said it before.
OP must be really bad at this game if needs all that stuff to do well indeed.

No joke. It's not even like a small handicap. It's a full on post of trying to completely brutalize and incapacitate the Survivors. They already complain about the hatch, now the exit gates and totems? What next? Am I going to read complaints about how they need more generators to be finished? Or about how they should be visible if they're in the basement, no matter the distance of the Killer? 

I'm surprised no one has suggested yet the idea of a hex killing the survivor who cleanse it.

If I read something like that I'd likely go off on the person without remorse. 

douggie123

Avariku said:

good for you, you outed yourself as a toxic troll with nothing constructive to add and instead adds idiotic posts for the sole purpose of pissing off people who have had enough of your killer main crap.

pat yourself on the back a little more and see if maybe you could one day be productive instead of a living/breathing meme?

You all fell for it so I aren't exactly that much of an idiot. I have seen tonnes of bait posts and just wanted to attempt to make an interesting one which allowed me to reel in the the salt which worked. I ain't toxic I am a killer main and things need to become balanced to make it fun for killers and survivors not just one or the other. This is the first bait post I have ever made and I aren't pleased with it now as I seem to have annoyed a lot of people but it seemed a good idea to start with.

ad19970

Wait do you want all these suggestions to be applied at once or just one of them? Like just imagine all of these changes happening, that would be horrendous. There'd be no reason to not run Hex Perks at all anymore. Even just some of these suggestions alone are too much though. Survivors shouldn't get injured for cleansing a totem, punishing them for helping their team.

Exit Gates are fine in my opinion. The only change to Hex Perks I'd like to see is maybe have Hex Perks be active within like the first three minutes of the trial whether the associated Hex Totem has been destroyed or not so they can't just be removed immediately, and then after the three minutes if the totem is destroyed, the Hex Perk loses it's effect. Just so you don't risk going into a game with only three perks since one of the Hex Totems gets cleansed right at the beginning.

Avariku

bait posts are meant to annoy people  that's the whole point... so you should be very happy with yourself. 
xD

and sorry, but I have WAY more fun when I play killer than I do playing survivor. 

rank 10 killer 
and 13 survivor

I play casual/friendly as a killer and can say with confidence that when I take things seriously I get 3-4k easy. (most of the time)

but survivor?  I played for 3hours today to do rituals and I got tunnelled into the ground, camped, dc's, and lagged all over the place
... only surviving maybe 3 out of 12 rounds. 

granted I'm not great at survivor, but thats because I'm not great at the stuff killer mains complain about. flashlights and looping aren't my strong suit... and if I was good at them?  then that would warrant killers to complain even more.

there's no winning for either side.

douggie123

ad19970 said:

Wait do you want all these suggestions to be applied at once or just one of them? Like just imagine all of these changes happening, that would be horrendous. There'd be no reason to not run Hex Perks at all anymore. Even just some of these suggestions alone are too much though. Survivors shouldn't get injured for cleansing a totem, punishing them for helping their team.

Exit Gates are fine in my opinion. The only change to Hex Perks I'd like to see is maybe have Hex Perks be active within like the first three minutes of the trial whether the associated Hex Totem has been destroyed or not so they can't just be removed immediately, and then after the three minutes if the totem is destroyed, the Hex Perk loses it's effect. Just so you don't risk going into a game with only three perks since one of the Hex Totems gets cleansed right at the beginning.

To be honest I don't really want to talk about the hexes anymore because survivor mains will whinge. I do have another idea but I aren't sharing because no one will be impressed. Everything especially to survivor mains will be op because they want easy matches. Which this basically suggests they want the killer to stand in the corner whilst they repair gens.

EmpyreanSin

douggie123 said:

Avariku said:

good for you, you outed yourself as a toxic troll with nothing constructive to add and instead adds idiotic posts for the sole purpose of pissing off people who have had enough of your killer main crap.

pat yourself on the back a little more and see if maybe you could one day be productive instead of a living/breathing meme?

You all fell for it so I aren't exactly that much of an idiot. I have seen tonnes of bait posts and just wanted to attempt to make an interesting one which allowed me to reel in the the salt which worked. I ain't toxic I am a killer main and things need to become balanced to make it fun for killers and survivors not just one or the other. This is the first bait post I have ever made and I aren't pleased with it now as I seem to have annoyed a lot of people but it seemed a good idea to start with.

Please reread your poorly written, illiterate message and tell me again that you're not an idiot. -_-

If you're going to be purposely toxic and troll then I have no obligation to be nice to you. Nobody does for that matter. You're quite literally a huge reason why this game's community sucks. You likely complain about Survivors because you completely bomb as a Killer. It's not their fault you can't play without being toxic or asking for advantages. 

Shut up and get good! 

Visionmaker

@douggie123 said:
Hahahaha reel them in reel them in. I have caught a few good ones. Course it's bait post.

Vietfox

Avariku said:

bait posts are meant to annoy people  that's the whole point... so you should be very happy with yourself. 
xD

I'm actually glad this kind of people exist. They amuse me.

The_Crusader

douggie123 said:

Hahahaha reel them in reel them in. I have caught a few good ones. Course it's bait post.
The_Crusader said:

douggie123 said:

This post I am expecting all the survivor main community to start giving salty comments and say things like oh this is op.

Well it is.

Survivors have had it bad enough recently, how about cutting them a little break?

The escape rate is under 50%, at what point ks the game "balanced"? When it's under 30%? Survivors need to enjoy the game too.

Hexes weren't designed to last all game. In fact they weren't designed for standard killers at all. I only take Ruin on hag because she can defend it and mostly it's to buy her time to lay some traps and to compensate for her slow speed at crossing the map to check gens.

And are you having a laugh survivors are loved the most killers get screwed constantly by various perks. I heard that they are making massive buffs to Borrowed time and how much is this going to screw the killer over. This seems to be survivor sided. I play both killer and survivor and survivors don't really have it that bad considering I still manage to screw killers over.

I play both killer and survivor too....or at least I did. I've had to drop survivor because it's not fun at all. Killers don't ever step more than 20m away from a hook. Then catch one guy and then just bully them all game. It's really toxic. Add to that they camp then either bring NOED to boost their noob-self, or they cause a 10 minute hatch standoff because they feel that after putting in the hard work of camping 3 people out of the game they somehow deserve a 4k.

Killer on the other hand is pretty ok now. Go look at some videos on DBD from last year, the pallets are waaaay better now. It's shocking just how much its changed.

The only thing killers need now is DS removed, or at least limited to the obsession only.

Seriously it reads like you came up with some silly ideas, people called you out on it and now you're trying to backpeddle so you don't look like an idiot. It's not working.

douggie123

You know I am now pretty much feeling bullied because all of my posts apart from this one have been serious posts with pretty good suggestions etc. But I put one post out like a fool not expecting an entire community to seemingly backfire with me. I sometimes wonder why I try and out suggestions out because instead of maybe forming a discussion about my suggestions and discussing points I may have missed or points that were maybe poorly thought through I get a massive load of salt instead of people just saying something simple like "not very well thought through" or I aren't keen on that. 

Thank you to the community members that didn't give horrible comments to me regardless of the nature of the post but gave me changes or gave me there honest opinions of how it could have been thought through better.

The_Crusader

Avariku said:

bait posts are meant to annoy people  that's the whole point... so you should be very happy with yourself. 
xD

and sorry, but I have WAY more fun when I play killer than I do playing survivor. 

rank 10 killer 
and 13 survivor

I play casual/friendly as a killer and can say with confidence that when I take things seriously I get 3-4k easy. (most of the time)

but survivor?  I played for 3hours today to do rituals and I got tunnelled into the ground, camped, dc's, and lagged all over the place
... only surviving maybe 3 out of 12 rounds. 

granted I'm not great at survivor, but thats because I'm not great at the stuff killer mains complain about. flashlights and looping aren't my strong suit... and if I was good at them?  then that would warrant killers to complain even more.

there's no winning for either side.

Ong this is exactly what I've been saying!

Survivor is all camping, tunneling and lag now. I'll forgive the lag because they might not be able to help it but the camping and tunneling is out of control. I played the game for hours earlier. Kept having to switch to killer because survivor was unbearable due to camping. Not even joking 95% of games was facecamping. So I'm done with it. Not touching survivof until there are some massive changes. Won't be spending anymore money on the game either until I can play both sides of it. Legion being a dud makes it easy to skip the next dlc. Killers cry about how toxic survivors are but really look at them. They make it unbearable for survivors.

Meanwhile I'm ok with killer mostly minus DS. Once you're good you can't really get bullied in the way you can as a survivor. Sucks that some killers aren't viable in high ranks but if you use a good one it's ok.

EmpyreanSin

Go ahead and act like the victim. Take the coward's way out by pinning the blame on everyone else. If you didn't want to be called out, then you shouldn't have been a troll to begin with. Man up and take the consequences. You reap what you sow. 

ad19970

@douggie123 said:
ad19970 said:

Wait do you want all these suggestions to be applied at once or just one of them? Like just imagine all of these changes happening, that would be horrendous. There'd be no reason to not run Hex Perks at all anymore. Even just some of these suggestions alone are too much though. Survivors shouldn't get injured for cleansing a totem, punishing them for helping their team.

Exit Gates are fine in my opinion. The only change to Hex Perks I'd like to see is maybe have Hex Perks be active within like the first three minutes of the trial whether the associated Hex Totem has been destroyed or not so they can't just be removed immediately, and then after the three minutes if the totem is destroyed, the Hex Perk loses it's effect. Just so you don't risk going into a game with only three perks since one of the Hex Totems gets cleansed right at the beginning.

To be honest I don't really want to talk about the hexes anymore because survivor mains will whinge. I do have another idea but I aren't sharing because no one will be impressed. Everything especially to survivor mains will be op because they want easy matches. Which this basically suggests they want the killer to stand in the corner whilst they repair gens.

Well that's not really fair. And I'm pretty sure it's not just survivor mains that are saying this is way too much. I mean sure sadly there are people who get way to upset about a post like this, but just ignore the provocation and try to evaluate the general opinion on your suggested changes.
Sure there are some survivor mains that want to keep the survivor role as easy as possible, one has been banned mutliple times now, but most people just want a balanced game, nothing more. We've seen a lot of killer buffs lately and while the game still needs more, especially for the weaker killers, the devs need to improve the experience of survivors now too, and not just nerf them and buff killers.

ad19970

@EmpyreanSin said:
Go ahead and act like the victim. Take the coward's way out by pinning the blame on everyone else. If you didn't want to be called out, then you shouldn't have been a troll to begin with. Man up and take the consequences. You reap what you sow. 

To be fair, some people just got immediately offensive on this thread, including you. I mean I disagree with his changes as much as everybody else, but seriously why do people need to get so upset because of a post like this about changes to a video game? I mean a video game. Nothing has happened, this post did no harm. Getting so offensive over something like that seems just so ridiculous. Like just tell him normally that you think his suggestions are awful.

ad19970

@ad19970 said:

@EmpyreanSin said:
Go ahead and act like the victim. Take the coward's way out by pinning the blame on everyone else. If you didn't want to be called out, then you shouldn't have been a troll to begin with. Man up and take the consequences. You reap what you sow. 

To be fair, some people just got immediately offensive on this thread, including you. I mean I disagree with his changes as much as everybody else, but seriously why do people need to get so upset because of a post like this about changes to a video game? I mean a video game. Nothing has happened, this post did no harm. Getting so offensive over something like that seems just so ridiculous. Like just tell him normally that you think his suggestions are awful.

Although I hadn't read his second post yet which admittedly is a bit ridiculous as well.