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Is it time to fix Hawkins?

Orionbash Orionbash
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I'm noticing that survivors are dc'ing like crazy when they see a Hawkins offering. Its the new mori. Nobody wants to play on it. Which I kinda understand as its the worst map for survivors. I dunno if this is universal for everyone but for me as both killer and survivor its kinda frustrating.

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  • hagling hagling

    how would you fix it? it's one of my favorite maps as survivor or killer tbh, the loops are unique, plenty of line of sight breakers for stealth killers, lots of really fun mindgames with those mini upper floors in heaps of rooms. I love the look too. I only find it problematic on survivor when I'm stuck in an area on the far sides with only unsafe pallets to toss, but that's easily solved by running toward the center.

  • OniWantsUrLocation OniWantsUrLocation

    Hawkins is a weaker survivor map, yes. No shack. No jungle gyms. Most loops (if you can call them that) are unsafe. For some killers this map is also trash. For example I don't like this map when I play Oni, Nurse, Spirit (because there are too many different sounds in it) or Huntress. But this is just my opinion.

  • Unicorn Unicorn

    Hawkins is absolutely atrocious to play on as Spirit for me.

  • ad19970 ad19970

    I actually enjoy Hawkins as you can chain some pallets with each other, which creates new mindgames and therefore makes looping more challenging and interesting. However, it does depend on which doors are open and which aren't, and the map definitely has too many pallets that are completely useless for survivors.

  • hagling hagling

    @OnryosTapeRentals said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1295749#Comment_1295749

    The loops are so incredibly unsafe and the mindgames are virtually non-existent. There are some pallets and windows that aren't even worth using because the killer can just walk straight around and hit you anyway. The line of sight breakers are generally poor in terms of survivor stealth. The bright white walls and debris make it very hard to blend in and the debris is usually very limited or positioned in areas where you are still very revealed from another angle. Most good killers will just check these spots and see you.

    The rooms upstairs aren't really worth using. The doors and windows are positioned so close that if the killer guesses your mindgame right (will you vault or not) you'll get hit anyway.

    like i said, aim for the center. if you try to stay in the corners or the far sides you're gonna have a rough time, but those middle rooms with the stairs leading to different vaults are incredible for mindgames. if the killer predicts you'll vault and you stand there instead, free time. if the killer follows you, you vault and he has to vault too. free time. do it again, it's all about predicting based on past behavior and conditioning the other team to make a mistake.

    i do think it'd be nice if the one pallet room on the second floor had a bit more potential, you're basically finished if you go in there. the whole second floor is a deathtrap against a competent killer if you're not expecting them to come up, but that gen seems to get done pretty quickly anyway.

    also! if you have an unsafe pallet in a corner on the first floor, you can turn it into a safer loop by using an open room adjacent to it for more space.

  • hagling hagling

    @OnryosTapeRentals said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1295769#Comment_1295769

    A good killer would never follow a survivor through a vault like that. It's such a waste of the killer's time. The problem is in this situation, the survivor only has two options: vault or don't vault. It's really not about skill, considering that the killer has a 50% chance to predict what you're going to do correctly and hit you. It's just a game of chance until the killer picks correctly.

    dunno what else to tell you, I do great there and I'm by no means a looping god. I really think it's just about map awareness. 🤷 

  • matchmakingworksfine matchmakingworksfine

    Hawkins is my least favorite map because of how terrible the environments are. It's bad for spirit. It's bad for oni. Its terrible for nurse. And its atrocious with billy.

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