Tunneling and Camping
Let's go over tunneling and camping shall we? People toss those words around a LOT on here. So let's be clear
Examples of camping:
Staring at the hooked survivor and revving a chainsaw face to face
Scaring off survivors but refusing to chase in order to protect one hook
Staying within heartbeat range of hook the whole time despite seeing no-one
Here are examples of NOT camping:
Chasing a survivor near a hooked survivor (guy being chased needs to leave the area and loop somewhere else so a buddy can unhook)
Seeing someone go for a save and chasing them. (Assuming the killer wasn't doing the above camping beforehand) If they SEE you. They are going to chase you and smack someone when you unhook. It's called "unsafe unhooking" verified by the fact that there are bloodpoint rewards for "safe unhook" and the game punishes you for performing unsafe unhooks rank-wise. Read the emblems for altruism.
Bouncing between nearby gens and the hook. That's patrolling. Wait for him to go for a gen. Then unhook. Simple.
Examples of tunneling
Seeing a survivor and running past them to hit someone else
Ignoring a body block to try to get to someone else
Here are examples of NOT tunneling:
Seeing you run up to the hook and following you but hitting the unhooked guy instead (he took a chance on BT triggering. If the unhooker was healthy then the killers choices were a 2 hit down on the unhooker, or a 1 hit down with a chance of BT... Easy choice)
If you get off the hook and walk or run into the killers view on accident or on purpose and he chases you.
If you get off the hook and the killer downs and hooks someone else then finds and downs you. Not tunneling. If they hit someone, pick them up, put them on the hook, find you, chase you, and down you again. That's. Not. Tunnelling. The whole time they were killing your friend was plenty of time for you to get away. Please explain that to whoever coded DS.
Did I miss anything?
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Nice necro, dude.
whats a necro :O
they should change the name to tunnel by daylight, a vast majority of games have tunneling killers, this game gets real boring and they have the audacity to add a dc penalty, i bought every DLC and spend a lot of money of this garbage fire only to be shafted.
bethesda are better than these greedy #########
LOL.
Sure, right after doing gens and looping becomes bannable.
So tunneling gens is toxic, too?
Thats a gameplay mechanic :\ tunneling and camping is geniunely for toxic reasons
if you mean gen rushing, it's unbalanced, it's way different then tunneling and camping. You do gens because it's your goal, tunneling and camping is nothing toward your goal cause you are meant to kill people AND defend gens, if you camp and tunnel you are neither doing one nor the other
Tunneling and camping doesn't go toward the objective killers have to...kill survivors?
Okay. SURE there bud.
Your entitlement is showing. You are only meant to kill people. Gens defense is merely a byproduct of that goal - being that you will find survivors at, and chase them off gens. If gen defence was a core "goal", killing people when all the gens have already been done would be impossible.
Just stop. You're wrong. Quit before you make yourself look worse.
The original post and the following discussion stopped in February.
Now it's August and you brought this thread back into the "recent discussions" (back to life, making you the necromancer).
sure
Well he is a bit right in certain scenarios.
First the aforementioned unsafe unhook. An example from my experience.
I personally make it my playstyle to actively avoid to camp or tunnel. Meaning I hook everybody 2 times before I start killing and I immediately leave the hook EVEN when I don't see anybody with BBQ. Which is the only meta perk I regularly use for the extra bp. But as soon as I hear the unhook, everyone is free game for me. So if I see both survivor at the same distance/still at the hook I actively go for the unhooker aka the not injured one.
I think going for the unhooked survivor would not be tunneling if you have the same or better chance to hit them. If the injured survivor is far away and the unhooker is an easier target, then I would call it "dirty" tunneling to just pass them and go for the injured survivor even with the possibility of a longer chase.
But again when the unhooked is an easier or same chance target, it is just logical to go for them. This results in one survivor (the unhooked) being on the floor, a second (unhooker) being in a chase and maybe a third coming to pick the first up.
So 3 survivor not doing gens vs 3 actively doing gens (experienced survivor don't heal to repair gens) results in way more map pressure.
Also camping during egc is a matter for itself, where I think Camping is valid and survivor perk combinations of DS/ub/bt and bodyblocking for each other get unhealthy amounts of value.
I play the exact same way. Also the EGC camp is basically must, but in that case is just forced by greater forces. When i talked about camping, i was talking about people that actually used camping as their own playstyle, startint to camp at 5 gens on their first hook :\ And this is what i believe it should be bannable, because in that case you CHOOSE to be toxic toward someone, you are not forced from anyting. You could look for other people or defend and patrol gens, instead you decide to wait for unhookers and try to slug everyone for the 4ks.
And your point is what? Look buddy, it is pointless to gripe about camping or to try and define what is or isn't camping. We have Killers who can "camp" the hook from the other side of the map. They literally can walk away (and do) on purpose so someone will come up and they can teleport back. Don't blame those Killers can't hide what they are doing. You should be grateful for any "tells" you get.
Most people simply hit whom them can hit. I get accused of Tunneling whether I do it or not. I take the first victim I close the distance with. I do this whether I know they were unhooked, have DS, or whatever. In my opinion, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I let them get their DS over with and move on. My strategy is that I'm not strategic. If you get in front of me, you get hit.
Killers have nothing to apologize for whatsoever. I will tunnel, camp, or mori you if it serves me winning the game. In most cases, tunneling or camping will not be a benefit. You pick and choose those times. I'm so sick of hearing people whine or winge or try to define good versus bad. We come and play hard. All I ask is:
The devs have directly referenced camping and tunneling in the game rules, are you suggesting that they don't maintain objectivity in their game rules? I didn't think so.
I mean they are just words. What is "tunneling" for you might not be that to someone else. There is no right or wrong.
If the unhooker gets downed during the animation and the killer goes after you, I wouldn’t call it tunneling.
I’d call it maximizing pressure.
If are there when someone is unhooking, i'm afraid to say that you are camping (or he had a really bad timing on going for the save when you were going back from patrolling gens) in that case i usually try to down them both and hook the unhooker, but that's not a mistake i made, that' on them. But this is not the camping on first person i mentioned, is when a killer literally stands near the hook and don't moves at all waiting for the unhooker
I just camped and tunneled the basement on the first hook. All depipped, nobody had fun, low points. So, is there anyone that seriously believe that this is a sort of gameplay?? Because if so, i really don't get why they paid for this game :\
Imo if the killer automatically goes after the unhooked survivor...that's a form of tunneling. It's a good tactic but it's horribly unfun to play against as a survivor.