I have a theory...
I have a theory that the devs are incompetent and thinks we are all idiotic babies
- The devs keep targeting updates around new/bad players
- We have yet had a reveal of the higher ups even in green ranks
- Devs constantly act passive aggressive to their player base and act like their better than everyone
- Focuses on "band-aid" fixed instead of core issues
- Refrains as much as possible to communicate with the community
- Seemingly are focused on only one-side
- Does not trust anyone
- Ignore pressing issues
- Thinks everyone in their playerbase are gullible (thinks we will automatically like/hate an update)
- Has a "game update" schedule that results in rushed content and bugs galore
- Treats playerbase like cash-cows
- can take years to "fix" game-ruining problem
- Misunderstands what needs to be changes
- They do not even know how their game works
- Only responds to pointless "what if's" and "what is your most/least favorites"
- Makes most cosmetics 10 dollars each in full
- Overthinks of issues that can easily be fixed with a simple number change that can take 1-2 weeks instead of years
- Refuse to acknowledge any problems
- waste resources on licenses, music, and cosmetics instead of the gameplay
- Has been shown to straight up lie to people with false marketing
Not everyone in the playerbase is smart, but not everyone in the playerbase is stupid either
(If i missed anything please tell me)
(I swear to god if this post is labeled as harassment, I lose all hope in humanity)
Comments
20.Legion trailer, Oni trailer, Ghostface trailer, Demo trailer, etc. (but especially Legion)
Do they show what the killer does?
18.Do you think they take them seriously?
I'm sorry but how is it false advertising exactly? They showed the killer did they not? Just because they didn't show their power doesn't mean it was false advertising. This is like saying something like X advertisement lied because they didn't show it's actual use.
1 The devs keep targeting updates around new/bad playersHow do they? Nerfing DS because it's a pain at red rank, nerfing pallets because good players could use them too much, changing insta heals because they were being used too much in high ranked gameplay. You see what you want to.
2 We have yet had a reveal of the higher ups even in green ranksSo? How many developers do you ACTUALLY think play at the highest level in their games? Do you see Tim Sweeney competing in Fortnite Tourneys? Do you see the CoD developer pro team at tournaments? Do you see Game Freak playing pokemon at tournaments? The only community that seems to think the devs should be good at the game is DBD and it's honestly ridiculous
3 Devs constantly act passive aggressive to their player base and act like their better than everyoneAgain, you see what you want to, anything they say is looked at with the utmost meticulousness and picked apart for a single wrong word, they have to avoid being direct because you guys make posts like this
4 Focuses on "band-aid" fixed instead of core issuesThe only "Band-Aid" in the game currently is Bloodlust and it's there due to poor map design, which is slowly becoming a lesser issue.
5 Refrains as much as possible to communicate with the communityThey used to do weekly live streams up until they started working on major updates every 3 months that they've set in stone, you'd be hard pressed to find another game that communicates to their player base as much info as BHVR does.
6 Seemingly are focused on only one-sideSeeing what you want to see.
BT, BNPs, Vacuum, DS, Insta Heals, Insta Blinds, Pallet Distribution, Vault Speed, Healing Speed VS Nurse, Spirit, Legion, Ruin.
7 Does not trust anyoneWhat?
8 Ignore pressing issuesIt's called development of an online game, you can't just expect them to change everything at once as it would cause major balance issues unlike any other, they have to take changes slowly and methodically, again, your pressing issues aren't the same as theirs.
9 Thinks everyone in their playerbase are gullible (thinks we will automatically like/hate an update)That's not what gullible means, they even said somewhere that they were expecting huge backlash for the Ruin changes, they anticipated that a large portion would hate the change
10 Has a "game update" schedule that results in rushed content and bugs galoreThere are certainly a good amount of bugs in the game, none of them are usually super impeding or ruin the experience of the game, but I can somewhat agree with this point
11 Treats playerbase like cash-cowsYou are not forced to pay for any of the content, a large majority of it can be earned, they are a business, you are using a product that costs money for them to run even without updates, they absolutely need to make money, you can earn all perks through the shrine and don't need anything else.
12 can take years to "fix" game-ruining problemWhat "Game ruining" problem has taken years to fix? lmao
13 Misunderstands what needs to be changesNo, just because you don't like a change doesn't mean it wasn't needed, this is your bias showing. They've acknowledged plenty of times that maps are bad, toolboxes are bad & that gen slowdown perks combined en masse is boring, these are good things to focus on
14 They do not even know how their game worksEh? Expecting every developer to know every number, every perk, every angle and degree of a game is ridiculous, especially when some of those developers aren't there for the entire development cycle of the game, of course theres going to be some people who can't tell you the exact percentages/numbers etc
15 Only responds to pointless "what if's" and "what is your most/least favorites"Again, because any question answered is something you guys will pick apart for even the slightest of flaw in what they say, or a minor mistake gets picked apart. People were asking for McLean & Almos firing because of some of the stuff that was said on the stream lmao
16 Makes most cosmetics 10 dollars each in fullOh no! Something the artists spent weeks drawing, drafting, conceptualizing, colouring and brining to life COSTS TEN BUCKS & YOU DONT EVEN NEED IT TO PLAY? WOW! What a crime
17 Overthinks of issues that can easily be fixed with a simple number change that can take 1-2 weeks instead of yearsThis is just you not understanding development of a game.
18 Refuse to acknowledge any problemsLike they acknowledged Toolboxes are a problem, or that the DS may be too effective at making you "invincible" or that map are bad?
19 waste resources on licenses, music, and cosmetics instead of the gameplayI know very little people, but I know dozens of those people are playing now because of the licensed characters, so no, you're just flat out wrong.
20 Has been shown to straight up lie to people with false marketingI'd love to see this false marketing you claim.
All they need to do is come to this forum to confirm most players are, in fact, idiotic babies as you stated.
now you make some good counter points so i'll just go over some
2.first of all, why are you comparing this niche game to completely different games other than being online, second of all, I, and some people, are not asking the devs to be good, were asking them to be not bad.
3.You think I WANT them to be mean/bad? No, of course not. (i'm not pulling any of what i've said out of my ass, and has some connections, can't have a theory without anything to back up)
4.The big band-aid fixes are perks. Gens get done to fast? use perks. Having bad loops? use anti-loop perks. To hard to make loops? Use dead hard? Having trouble living? Use DS. And I can go on and on. (Also prove to me that map design are getting better, because all I see is more pallets, larger maps, and lower visibility)
5.This one is quite easy. First, the most the devs do is monthly updates, seems fine, but most of them are "we are still working on ___", which could be used on short weekly post (they announce cosmetics every week, why not also put them on the forums with some small updates on whats going on, they don't need to stream every week. Second, Klei Entertainment does the best update communication in at least the indie scene.(Klei works on games Like Don't Starve and Oxygen Not Included) If something is happening or went wrong, the first thing they do is announce it when their confident, unlike DBD, who seems scared to announce anything to "generate hype". Now ok, if there is a game breaking bug, then DBD devs will announce it. But in most cases, they acknowledge the problem sometimes years after it happens. (remember when it took the DBD devs 4 1/2 months to fix the hook sound bugs?)
8.But they don't need to take years to fix simple bugs like sound and glitching through walls. Also, I think map design is the biggest issue (refer back to no.4 on this post)
9.Could you show me that they expected the backlash BEFORE the stream? (and did they ever address the root problem why nerfing ruin now was a bad idea?)
11.I mean, they do shove it in your face a lot. (every Wednesday, they have a popup of the new cosmetics) They are also slowly starting to stray from earned cosmetics. (i know they need money, every company needs money, but i'm pretty sure a game with mostly 40,000 players at a time isn't THAT desperate.
12.(first, refer to the end of post 5, it did not take years but it took a long time) If you want to get technical, the map design is still pretty bad, and Are ignoring some old perks (even with the recent stream saying that their looking at it). Also Corn maps, Blood Lodge and Haddonfield being WAY to one-sided to survivors to be healthy (most other maps are someone sided to one or the other, but not TOO bad). Just some examples.
13.They need to entirely focus on map design. If map design is better, than the ruin change would not be so bad for killers, and toolboxes would not need to be changed to drastically, in fact, it would make sense. Not sure about you, but I'd be willing to wait for content update longer if it meant fixing map designs, just what I think.
14.They don't need to know every number, they just need to know what "fun" is... Jokes aside, they need to know at least the general rules and idea of the game. (I don't think it's fair that there can be 2 T-L walls that lead to an infinite, or one way, extended basement halls for easy downed survivors (Gas Heaven as an example)
15.Everyone's a critic!
16.But does cosmetic contribute to gameplay? Is this game about fashion? NO. So maybe cut back on the cosmetics a little bit? (I will say, I think we both agree that they just can't turn designers into programmers easily like some people think).
17.Did you make a game before? But most importantly, if I did not know what game development was, then I would of said to change the game in less than a day.
19.I think keeping players is also important too.
20.(refer to my response to @Booper_Of_Snoot in this discussion)
2 - Genre is IRRELEVANT, just because this is a "niche" game does not mean the devs have to be on the same level as the killers/survivors with 2/3/4K Hours, it's frankly ridiculous to expect them to work on a game 12 hours a day and then go home and play it for 6 hours a day.
3 - Your entire post is made up of "he said, she said" you've given to proof of any of these "issues"
4 - No, perks are not "band aid" fixes, do you think if pallets were PERFECT there wouldn't be perks that affected pallets? Do you think if windows were perfect there wouldn't be perks that affect windows? Do you think if gens were perfect there wouldn't be perks that affected gens? of course there wold because it changes gameplay and makes you act a certain way, has nothing to do with "band aids"
5 - Because anything the do could be changed, and if they start making posts you'll all take ir for gospel and when it's changed you'll cry about how the devs lie and how they mislead, it's better to say were working on something then say "this is what we've done"
8 - They have actively brought up sound issues, like in the last stream they did, they are far from ignoring these issues, again, audio has been buggy for a while, but it comes and goes I have 0 audio issues, some people have lots of audio issues, if it's a bug that affects some people and not others it's way harder to just snap up a quick fix
9 - The cheek of asking for evidence while dismissing anyone else asking for evidence like you have done in this post.
11 - Oh no, they have easily dismissable banners showing you what's been added to the game, THE HORROR, again, they have dev teams to pay, it is a game in heavy and active development simply saying "I think they have enough money" simply isn't going to cut it really, and what do you mean they're shying away from earned cosmetics? They literally had some in the last rift????
12 - Theres also maps that are killer sided too so it's a moot point to bash on about specific maps when I've already agreed maps need overhauls
13 - I agree, we need more map changes and they've also acknowledged this, I'm pretty sure, but not certain that they've just reworked a map, may have to look at my notes on that one
14 - I'm not even going to try and talk about this one because you used the word infinites, and they don't exist anymore, it's just your bias showing
15 - So you see my point, any direct info they give, may change, and then everyone cries about how they lied
16 - Cosmetics are fine, they can't just fire the art team, hire more devs and fix everything, if anything introducing fresh hands into the mix would just exacerbate the bugs in the game, the art team do a fine job and you wouldn't have things like the new lerys without them, cosmetics ARE NOT affecting the rate at which things are being fixed.
17 - Again, you used the term "easy fix", you have no idea what their process is like, who's hands are in which pies and who has to ok the changes etc, it's not as simple sa "bump this number", you have to look at it from all sides, some people want monsterous shrine buffed, you can't simply make it kill people even faster because then basement camping just becomes the default
19 - eh?
20 - I'm sorry but cinematic trailers are not false advertising, and they give us a week of PTB to test the killers for free/create videos etc to see how the power plays out, you simply have no leg to stand on for this false advertising, just another thing you want to try and hate the devs for.
What do YOU propose then?
(you seem like a jaded person and a white knight, you also seem to ignore ME as well, that called not being self-aware)