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@LetsPlayTogether So youre saying in a situation where the survivors have put themselves in a 3 gen position, the killer should let them complete a gen? purely to not "hold the game hostage"
The game in that scenario is not being held hostage, the problem you have is that the surviviors are at a disadvantage and do not like this predicimen, Obviously they do not want to die but they do have to play the card they have dealt themselves. Meaning those gens can be done at a greater cost, in my situation the survivors were unwilling to be downed as was proven when id hit one they would instantly run to a jungle gym to buy time for their team mate thus baiting me into a chase and letting them complete a gen and the game. The number 1 protirity of a killer is to stop the gens being completed, this is proven by an emblem for"generator protection" as a killer we are rewarded for protecting gens.
What @TragicSolitude suggested is correct, the only way for a killer to hold the game hostage would be if i blocked a survivior in a dead end and went AFK when their only alternative is to DC at which point I agree that is detrimental to gameplay and the enjoyment for anyone playing. but if you as a survivor put yourself in a position where the killer has an advantage, Thats your problem and if you get out and survive kudos, if you die, well thats the name of the game for the killer. thats not holding a game hostage
What you also need to take into account is that i have 3 gens left, so its squeeky bum time for the killer. The hooks arent that close to the gens as one has already been used, I am not obliged to hook a survivor nor am i obliged to chase them relentlessly round loops while they complete my gens., If i know there are two people working on a gen when I down somebody and I know that in the time it take me to pick them up walk over to the hook and back they will complete that gen, I would leave that person on the floor to protect the generator. That is where they considered me griefing
Just as an FYI 60-70% of my games are as survivor so I know only too well the 3 Gen struggle, but at the end of the game the killer doesnt complete the Gens. The survivors do.
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@TAG to add some context the game ended with 2 people DCing and the last person getting the hatch, I feel the who "holding the game hostage" is subjective at best as from the killers perspective im performing my job and making the judgement calls im making. At the same time the survivors are trying to do the same but ultimately the situation lies with the survivors as they complate the Gens in whatever order they want. My friends and I actively try not to put ourselves in the same position. but if we do 3 gen ourselves we have to try and completel them while being in danger and giving the killer an advantage, which is a fundemental part of the game and why there are 7 gens in the map itself.
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@TAG said:
Here's the question: What is your friend doing to progress his objective? He is keeping the Survivors from ending the game in their favor, but how is he moving the game toward a close in his favor?
A good question. To which my answer would be (as I was the killer at the time) Simply doing my objective, Not being baited into chasing the surviors for too long as they kept running to jungle gyms and further more patrolling and stoipping the gens from being completed. I cant commit to a survivor without loosing a gen so why would I give the game to the survivors with a bit of greed to get a hook.
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@YaiPa said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/943019#Comment_943019
Holding the game in hostage is when the game can't progress and the only other option is DCing. For examples if the killer body blocks in a corner, you can't move and you're forced to DC. The gens point you're bringing is right, in fact I consider hiding, doing nothing (like when you kill 2 survivor with 5 gen still) holding the game in hostage. But you know, people always say the afk crows bullshit, so you can't say anything about this.
With this being the case, Should the killer relinquish his or her only tactic left to win the game and hope the survivors make a mistake? Are killers supposed to just go "oh sorry ou 3 genned yourself but I will let you go because the game has now reached an artifical stalemate" I use the word artifical because that situation is created by the survivors themselves.
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@YaiPa Does this mean that the doctor should sacrifice his own enjoyment of the game to make sure the surviviors have a good time? Since the definition of holding the game hostage is to detriment the surivors gameplay. I fail to see how a game is held hostage in the first place by a killer. The gens are controlled by the surviviors the Killer can only defend the ones that are left.