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@TotemSeeker91 said:
Someone somewhere enjoys hag, also most of your points apply to trapper anyways
True, but the Hag is a much stronger and basically better version of Trapper.
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@foodie said:
Oh you hag hater how you exposed yourself for not knowing how to face and counter hag
For your first point, there are ways to avoid her traps or to trigger them in a way where you won't get hit. You can also mind game, it's really not hard.
For your second point, hag mains either put 1 trap at the hook or none at all. You can crouch, yes, and run away or hide. Getting chased as the person who unhooks is a situation that can happen and happens with any killer if the killer wants to, it's not specific to hag. Its not a trait that hags have specifically, and one that differs from literally any other killer. Nor is tunneling the unhooked survivor. I find it funny that you didn't mention Bubba as the best campy killer. Interesting.
Number 3, that's her power. Again, you can avoid. Her traps are not invisible, look down, manually trigger the trap from the farthest distance possible and run. She can't hit ya. Have some control over your character, it's not an epic turnaround.
For number 4, if you 3 gened yourself, well that's your own fault and it would make any match vs any killer as you say "a long and boring one". This is again, not hag specific and it is your fault as a survivor for not calculating the situation, but instead jumping from gen to gen without a plan. Hag mains move their web, they're not stationary on one side of the map and waiting for their prey to get in. They move as you move.
For 5 I agree. If your team is not playing together or doesn't know how to face Hag, a soloQ player can't do much. Hope for hatch, I guess. But again, this can happen with any killer if the team is bad :)
Number 6, that's a red addon that is rarely used. And shackles is a purple addon and is what makes her more interesting. This is supposed to be a horror game, so yes, jump scare = fun.
For your conclusion, you are right that facing hag as a solo player is hard, since you need to use brain along with the team that may choose to not use brain.
Hag is not rare because her power is boring, she is rare because there is a stigma around hag as a killer and wrong assumptions being made about her, her power, how she is used and how she is played. A lot of people don't play her because of the stigma and what is said about her.
Your post is proof of that bad stigma that is not followed by trial. It's obvious that you haven't tested different strategies to try and face her effectively or learn more about her, but here you are instead making a hate post and calling her plain boring because you don't know how to face her and win. By boring, you're saying that you can't hold a chase vs hag for more than a few seconds, but a fun killer is one that you can loop around the whole match.
Her power is not easy to use, you need to learn how to play her. She is very strategic, and you need to have a plan about where and how you are going to place traps and play the match. It's not like other killers that just go, find, survivors and chase for 4 min around the whole map.
And for your last bit, flashlights can destroy a trap with a simple click, so you can definitely do that in a chase. Hag mains equip Franklin's not because they want to, but because they need to. Since this survivor item destroys her power and there is no other killer that has this problem. So yes, Behavior need to nerf flashlights, so they don't destroy a killer's power and then you won't see Franklin's :)
1) What I wrote applies to soloQ (as I mentioned above). That's a whole other case, as SWF will have a lot of changeable in it.
2) When Hag pushes you into her traps (%99) you can't avoid or 'mindgame' her traps. It's only works when you know where is the Hag's trap.
3) I've known some really good Hag mains, and I know they put 1 trap to hook I admit that I made a mistake here. BUT But what I'm trying to say there is that if a Hag decides to camp, she can camp much more effectively and better in a much larger area than other killers. And this is not changeing Hag put more than a 1 trap around hook. When a survivor is saved, normally they can run away. But when playing against Hag survivors has to crouch down until out of the area of the trap or traps, which helps Hag close the distance from the survivors. And again, I didn't say these things were 'specific' to the Hag. I said that in those situations, the Hag could be far more effective than most killers. I mentioned "Hag is second best basement camper in DbD (you know the first)" in basement camp part. I thought the whole DbD players knew Bubba was the best camp killer? But if you will be satisfied Bubba is the best camp killer in DbD. Are you happy now?
4) Again this tactic only works when you know where is the trap.
5) AGAIN, let's not forget that we are speaking as soloQ. I'm sorry random soloQ repaired last jen far away but is it really my fault? This game 4v1 and I can't control other 3 players. Not everyone plays this game with full attention so there is always the possibility of 3 gen situations. I'm saying that Hag can get survivors into the 3 gen situation more easily and effectively than other killers. Again I'm not saying this these things were 'specific' to the Hag. And I know Hag's didn't put traps in area and wait.
6) SoloQ team doesn't need a perfect coordination against killer. Until killer is Hag or Cenobite (or maybe plague). Against this killers (even survivors are not bad) lack of communication will affect the match more.
7) Rarely used don't change it's annoying. I never said jumpscares = bad
8) Yeap
9) I wrote this subject incompletely, I will write what I mean at the end.
10) This whole part is Ad Hominem. I knew I would face such a reaction. I stated my opinion above and tried to explain the reason as much as I could. I may be wrong or wrong, I do not deny it. Maybe I don't know the best tactic and I'm not a Hag main or expert like Michi, but as I said, I have friends who played competitive level and I think I have enough Hag knowledge to write these things. When a Hag put a trap in a loop how exactly do you can loop her?
11) I will write what I mean at the end.
12) I don't remember wrote something like "Hag need to banned from using Franklins" Also, flashlights are basekit, am I not aware of it? If Bhvr remembers Hag, it would be much appreciated if they did a few more rework than the flashlight nerf.
13) There's also the Facecamper stamp on Bubba, but a lot of people still play Bubba and facecamp. There's also a lot of OP and broken stamps about Nurse, but a lot of people still play Nurse and make 4k series. Also, I didn't say, "Everybody playing the Hag has to get bored of it." I said most people don't find it fun. I'm still thinking a lot of people find Hag boring. BECAUSE most of the players don't want to play hard to learn hard to master killer if there is more easy to learn and stronger killer like nurse. Also, most casual killer players don't want to be overly strategic. And if a killer main wants to chase survivors I don't think which he or she would choose Hag. You just wrote how to deactivate only visible traps above that didn't change that Hag was an antiloop killer. Hag is still an antiloop killer with a strong camp potential and very little interaction.
Lastly, I'm not going to argue with you any more for treating me like an idiot and noob.
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@Rulebreaker said:
We generally like playing against Hag as long as our team knows "hag protocols". It requires both sides to think for once instead of the usual. Hag is especially more fun than a forever legion or plague as the match will end in a timely manner one way or another and hag gives surprises.
A lot of soloQ players don't know Hag protocols because Hag players are so few.
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@IamFran said:
She doesn't get outfits because almost nobody play her.
I've seen about 4 or 5 Haddies since 3 o 4 four weeks after the release when people stopped playing her for being the new survivor, I think the only survivor less frequent is Quentin and he is a licensed one, even Jeff is more frequent than Haddie. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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