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@MusicNerd_TC said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1703445#Comment_1703445
Why does every argument on both sides have to be "hurr durr killer bad" or "hurr durr survivor bad"?
Both sides are equally #########.
Yep, both killers and survivors are unreasonable, not just killers.
That's kind of the problem which we're trying to address. If no one says anything nothing is gonna get change which is why this whole discussion thread exists, to discuss things in the game including problems. It's useless comments like these that add nothing to the discussion, don't address anything, and waste people's time that's the real issue and why at the end of the day nothing changes.
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@TheButcher said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1702480#Comment_1702480
Your point? I play him and play against him. I beat him probably around 50/50, and for a person with over 4000 hours consistently at rank 1 that is pretty damn balanced to me. All the while in the games I am against him he normally only takes out 1-2 people (that one could be me). That's how the game is supposed to be balanced.
He is going to normally wreck on mid to lower tier players, because they are mid to lower tier in regards to skill.
Most of the people that play dead by daylight don't have 1000 hours let alone 4000, and he also stomps pretty good players as well obviously he doesn't stomp the best, people with thousands of hours, or swfs. The problem with Freddy is he is a low skill floor, low skill ceiling killer, and if you win against him 50% of the time great but the general public doesn't hence the op and him stating his opinion both as a killer and a survivor.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1703147#Comment_1703147
I'm not arguing for or against Freddy being too strong. I am arguing that one should not use the chart as evidence. That's it.
I agree that the chart shouldn't have been used as evidence, but judging how the op was asking for a discussion about Freddy maybe not the best place to say it without any context as it comes of as you trying to denounce the whole argument. Sorry for making mountains out of mole-hills though much love.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1703122#Comment_1703122
It was also in reference to a chart detailing kill rates (among other things). Every time the devs release a chart detailing kill rates, it always has to eventually be said not to take the charts seriously because people read way too much into them.
I agree that the charts shouldn't be read so on the nose, as the problem with stats in a game like these is it doesn't consider all of the variables, however not taking anything from the chart would be a waste and it probably wouldn't have been posted then like with what Kind_Lemon stated.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1703046#Comment_1703046
I quoted Peanits straight-up saying "don't draw conclusions." Granted, it was from a different chart from a while back, but same thing.
The point of a quote is that it's directly from the source, so although quoting him there does bring some credit it doesn't entirely give just to say that the same could be same about this chart, as the other chart/graph that the quote is from could be something entirely different.
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I do very much agree with a lot of your points, and although I don't agree with the stats either you did use your experience to back yourself up which I can relate to. I'm a red rank survivor and killer and often play both sides survivor sometimes with a friend or two and Freddy for me both sides is unfun and annoying. On the survivor side he is a pub stomper, without a coordinated team or very smart survivors( something you will rarely find solo or duo queuing) you're gonna lose. Unless you have a couple thousand hours, are a god looper, or get lucky rng a Freddy will get you sooner than later as he can mindlessly place bloodpools and shut down most loops. On top of that with most perks he can then apply pressure almost instantly after downing you and start regressing gens. On the killer side you just place bloodpools wherever keep them asleep and keep fake teleporting to gens and boom tons of pressure with almost no skill required. A bad Freddy will win a lot of matches, a decent one will win most, and a great Freddy will win everything except the most hardcore teams. I think that you're suggested changes nerf him a little too hard as it changes him a lot but he definitely needs some tweaks. I never play with addons so I can't speak on that but I can say that his bloodpools need to be tweaked so that they require more thinking and you shouldn't auto fall asleep if you get woken by a clock or at the start of the match making him have to hit you at least once. Having strong killers is great for the game as some killers are at the mercy of survivors rather than the other way around which sucks, but having a killer be strong with almost no effort required is just a shame and takes a lot of fun aspects out of the game like learning the character and having close games that make your heart race.
Also on a quick side note if all you have to say the the discussion is about the op's relation to stats why say anything? He referenced it a couple times in his points, and prefaced it with his own experience. It's not helpful to the discussion at all if all you do is critique one point over and over that the op already brought up in multiple other replies, or at least bring it up as a point in a counter argument but don't only talk about it and that's the whole comment.