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@SuzuKR said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2903434#Comment_2903434
People do not deserve escapes or kills without finishing the objective.
I would agree with the current metric of Gates counting as an escape, but not with Hatch counting as a tie, not a proper escape.
If Hatch counts as a win for the system then I would unconditionally agree.
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@SuzuKR said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2903405#Comment_2903405
Wow, just like killer preventing the last few gens popping and preventing gates from opening by killing the others. Funny how that works. All the things that prevent them finalizing their objective that can be played around. But yes, you are clearly in a position to lecture others about bad faith and ignorance. 🙄 Keep ignoring “every other mechanic of the game” to prevent escape I guess.
I don't understand the point you are trying to make in the first sentence. They haven't lost until more Survivors escape through the Exit Gates than died. That is the current metric. Win Tie Tie Tie is still net win, Win Win Tie Tie is also still net win. Hatch is not a win. It is "I want to get out of this match, but I don't want the DC penalty or to award Hook points".
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@SuzuKR said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2903392#Comment_2903392
Sorry, you are completely off the mark. Mori requires them being downed as well. The only difference is execution or hooking. 1 hookstate and downed is effectively a second hook in 99% of scenarios - 66.66%. 2 hook states and downed is effectively a third hook in 99% of scenarios - 100%.
Rewarding people for failing to complete their goal is insanely busted.
Except DS exists, and Flashlights exist and toolboxes to sabo exist and Unbreakable exists and Pallet stunning exists and Power Struggle exists and Breakout exists need I go on? If you want to ignore every other mechanic of the game to rescue from downed state or on the shoulder then you can argue in bad faith or ignorance I suppose.
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@SuzuKR said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2903383#Comment_2903383
Yeah, and that’s the exact same god awful logic that allowed for 1 hook Moris to exist. They got partway so might as well give them the whole thing.
Except it isn't? The degrees of success are different. 1 Hook Mori is 33%. 2 Hook Mori is 66%. 2 man hatch escape at worst is 60%. Simple math disproves that.
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@SuzuKR said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2903369#Comment_2903369
Tunneling =/= forcing unfun. They don’t deserve a consolation prize when they didn’t succeed.
There are degrees of success, and if I collapse on the 24th mile of a marathon, it was still good to make it that far.
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@[Deleted User] said:
It just ends the match prematurely though. It's not fun.
It only ends prematurely if someone in the match for forced to not have fun in the first place. Therefore punishing unfun with unfun. The killer knows they won if survs have to escape through Hatch. It is a consolation prize, not a trophy. The bent and crooked tin star that says "you tried".
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@SuzuKR said:
Yeah no. No one except the last person alive should ever have a chance for hatch. Escaping before all gens are done is awful design and punishes the killer for playing well/rewards survivors for failing their objective or getting 3-genned (which is their fault). The only other fair compromise is once every single generator is done.
They didn't fully fail their objective though. They got 60% for a 2 man, or 80% for a 3 man. It only punishes killers for unfun actions in the first place (hard targeting one person out). So this would incentivize spreading the pain. It only would spawn when you had killed survivors number of gens remaining (or less).
If they escape through hatch in a 3 gen scenario it is more like the Monty Python Black Knight calling it a draw after his arms and legs are all chopped off. The killer knows they won, the survivors know the killer won, and they would rather take a hatch escape rather than a slog like tug of war/war of attrition or suicide on hook. If the survs could do the gens then they know they could and would still win anyways.