RashuFeron
RashuFeron
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I hate facecamping but to be honest guys, if you would play killer and get overrun from the survivors with 3 or 4 gens popping in the first 3 Minutes you would think ######### it too.
It's no fun for killers if the game ends in the first 3 Minutes. For survivor it's nice. More time for the stupid buttdancing.
But the thing is even when there are 5 gens alot of killers start the camping.
And here we have the question.
Is it against the rules, cause you take someone in game hostage or is it still legit gameplay?
I think it depends but still behavior made it a legit playstyle so there is nothing you can say. Cause this discussion about camping and bubba is as old as bubba in DbD.
And did anyone saw anything different since then? Except the chainsaw overheat stuff.
Nope and there will not be any difference in the future.
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As Killer I give the survivor who earned it or got screwed the hatch or bring him/her to the exit gate.
As survivor I do the same with kills.
I offer him my flashlight and show him with hook I want to die on.
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I like him and I hate him.
I like his Design in general and is a combination of my favorite killers.
But what I hate about him is everytime I play against him it feels like he throws 200 blades after me.
And the thing is, you dodge 20 blades and there is still more coming.
I had matches against him and with him where it was fun.
But on both sides it's more a pain in the ass then anything else...
I would life with less blades if I get something better to build up more pressure.
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If I could fix something in an instant it would be the whole matchmaking.
I would make it that 3 things are required to better your MMR.
First would be that we keep the MMR and set it with the idea of the emblems who counterweight the Kills and the escapes. That way you have the "fair play" back and the Killer won't get punished for playing nice. And survivors need more then just gen rush and escape to get better MMR. And the old ranking system would set you with guys who are your MMR and your rank and if there is none of that in your rank it looks in other ranks for MMR.
And it wouldn't help people who farm, cause at the end the Killer needs the kills for the MMR.
And the survivors still need the escape for better MMR. That way campers lose MMR and fast games won't provide much.
That would be what I would do for an fix. So both sides get something out of it not only one side.
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I started Dezember 2017.
A Friend of mine wanted me to play it with her friends. And I said ok why not I like new games.
At the start I was like no way how could I survive this #########. Killers are way OP. Now I sit here and played my fair share on both sides. And got stuck on surviver. Unless I think it's time for my cute pig to shine again.
And I must say the friends I play it now ask me all the time to support them in game or they scream my name in game.
And I still play with my friend, but she laughs when I blame her for my dbd addiction 😆
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I said in another post and I say it here again.
If you get tunneled ext3nd the chase with the Perks who help you to do that. And try to outsmart the Killer.
If you get camped blame your mates for not outsmarting him. Or doing the gens so at least you bought them this time to do that.
That getting camped is no fun I think even Killers agree that it is no fun. But they have to get a kill somehow.
If you get down the first minute in the game and get camped so be it. If it's a Bubba then tough luck. It was a pain with him even before now.
If it's a M1 Killer and no insta kill Killer why did noone tried?
If it was endgame with NOED why have noone done totems?
Everytime someone camps it starts a shitstorm here.
And for information I get my fair share of all this in my matches.
I never blame the Killer for that. I blame myself for getting downed the first place, I blame my mate for not helping or not doing a single gen in that time or I blame the physics in the game for hits that shouldn't be possible.
What you and others forget is, the Killer plays the same game. And if he tries everything and you all snowball him he hates the game. But if he says something it's 4 on 1.
If you guys would give the Killer some respect at the end when he plays nice the most wouldn't have to go the other road.
If guys like you wouldn't have complained so much some time ago there wouldn't be the situation that matchmaking was based on kills and escapes. And the killers wouldn't need the tunneling and camping to get their MMR points.
So we all lose in such situations cause somebody thinks a legit tactic is unfair cause it was used on him.
And the comment that the Killer takes the game hostage with camping is BS.
5 people play this game. And with camping 3 can do what they want.
And you forget the moment the Killer starts to camp he takes himself out of the normal gameplay too.
So for Entitus sake stop crying about this things and go on.
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The thing realy is both sides moan evenly loud.
If the moans are justified is another issue.
The thing is you will not get your point across about moaning if you moan yourself.
Otherwise you took the wrong headline.
That hitboxes are broken we can all agree on. I get hits with Killer I stand there and ask myself how could that hit. And as survivor I get hits where I just ask HOW?
I remember a time where there was the hitbox so small the Killer had to literally kill you, with his bare hands to hit you. I remember another time when the hitbox was even bigger then Jane's ass times two.
Now we are at a mix of both and that's OK. Not perfect but ok.
The thing is it didn't changed much since the fast vault update long ago.
The hit box gets bigger on a vault, cause of the animation of the vault.
And the jumping is another thing, cause the hitbox changes with hight of the char but again in the programming the falling changes the hitbox and extends it. So you get hit on for you impossible ways.
An Killer gets the hit and I take it for what it is a lucky shot or good timing.
Cause of the hitbox issue you even can have a hood connection the time frame for the hitbox can be less then a second and it hits you.
With bad connection on your end it can get worse.
But here is not an Killer or the survivor to blame.
I say fix the hitboxes properly and fix the attack/lunge of the Killers. So both sides get an benefit.
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The core Problem here is not the Killer who is tunneling. It's the behavior the survivors have. He did his best to get the kill and it worked. Your mates did the worst of 7nhooking you in an unsafe situation. Even with BT or DS it's not a save from tunneling but it extends the chase. If it wasn't a good spot cause no loops and no pallets, ask why there was none? And even if there were only used pallets but not destroyed you had a good chance.
What I read in your post is someone who was outplayed. No offense here we all had something like this happen to us. But tunneling is a part of the game. Like bodyblock (on both sides), flashlight saves or NOED.
And before somebody means to say Main Killer or main survivor I play both but more survivor and I learned how to get away from tunneling or I extend the chase so my mates can do the other stuff. Do I die? Hell yes! Do I complain no cause he got most of the time only 1k.
So all I can say is find a way to play better then the Killer. If you die, do better the next game.
It's the same for the Killer.
Learn and get better.
But nearly everyone just complains that the other side have it easier.
In some regards it's true and in other regards it's just BS.
So get better with your game and don't take, cause of your frustration, the game from others.
Cause I love to get tunneled cause I extend the chases so long that my team finished everything.
Is it my fault the Killer didn't get me? Or is the Killer at fault he didn't stop the chase and swaped target?
The answer seems easy but ask the Killer it's my fault, if you ask the other survivors it's his.
If you ask me I had a good chase and if I die I don't care.
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I know how you feel but I experienced it from both sides and after 3 years I had anough, more so the last few months.
Now I chat with the people who are nice in private and even play arranged games with them just for the fun.
And I must say that way I had less stress and again more fun.
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@Anara said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2615705#Comment_2615705
I will always play how I want. I play for myself. But sometimes I just want to understand the hate towards killers.
I used to be that kind of survivor who blame killers for camping. But since I play killer I understand.
But when I play fair as killer, just doing rift challenges. If the entity dont told me to kill them, I will not. And the toxicity is still here, thats what I dont understand.
I dont need survivors approval, but I just try to understand their logic. And there is none.
You are right there is no logic in such behavior. And I like to play on console for that reason. If they want to flame with toxic chat they have to message me privat and than I report it to Sony and they do something about it.
On PC hide endgamechat and if they message you privat you can report it on steam. 😉
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The rank doesn't mean much at the moment, cause the rank only provides BPs at reset and nothing else.
So the reset is not at fault. The thing is you still have your MMR cause it's not reseting. So you have the sweaty players and the campers all the time, but cause you are now lower rank you see and feel it differently from rank 1.
That's why if you want it a bit easier there should be an MMR reset with the rank reset too.
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I see where you coming from.
I hate it too when I play killer.
BUT you said it yourself it's a game.
Let's take another game for example. Where you have roles. You are a Tank, would you in reality let yourself get beaten by a monster all the time? I hope not. But you do it anyway in the game.
Now back to your topic.
I realy get it why it's frustrating.
But look from the perspective of the survivor. As Survivor I try to get the attention from the Killer so my teammates will stay save. If he is toxic on his way to do that I'm sorry for you.
But also in order to survive he needs to exploit your weaknesses. It sucks cause a Killer have a lot of them. And the survivor only a few.
Don't get me wrong, it sucks and I hate it too like I said at the beginning.
But those survivors if they do nothing but be toxic don't play in their hands. Chase them for a short while and go to another spot for survivor. They want your attention and nothing else.
If they realy are toxic facecamp them and ignore the hate at the end. And don't bother with the most other survivors here, the most don't get it or even give dumb comments.
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It's not a nice way to play the game. But it is a way.
Always expect as survivor that the Killer will try to Kill me.
I mean come on its in the name K.I.L.L.E.R.
If you got a farmer who wanted to give you BPs before killing you so take it. If he wanted to let you escape at the the end take it.
If he plays nice and fair take it.
If he camps your face off guess what suck it up.
I Main survivor and I know how it sucks for Killer.
It sucks for us too, yes, but only if you don't have skill and a bit luck.
As Killer you need alot of both.
But back to your complaint.
All I read is crying over a Killer who helped you farm and outsmarted you at the end.
I bet you got nearly 30k BPs and a pip for sure maybe even 2 pips.
And you are complaining over a kill you could have seen before the last gen. You got maybe in the Archiv points too.
And he got some too.
Who cares if it was a trick you both got a fair share out of it.
If you don't like those types of game styles just such it up die on hook or try to survive next time.
But what you do here is crying and complaining about a thing that isn't against any rules. Cause if outsmarting you and kill you is. Then no Killer should kill ever again. Cause he will get a report.
Even I got those Killers and at the end I laughed with them and thanked them for the BPs and the Archiv points. That's all you could do or cry some more if it helps you.
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I met my fair share on both sides.
But also I met some realy nice guys on both sides.
And to be honest, if survivors would be less toxic it wouldn't change the gameplay of a lot of the Killers. Cause the system doesn't give the Killer lot of chances.
I Main survivor and when I got camped in the past I was angry yes and told him yes hate campers but gg.
Now I tell them next time they wouldn't get to camp me. And wish him/her luck with his/her next games. Until we meet again.
Cause realy if I start to stress out over a match I could have stayed at work and stress out there.
And yes I know survivors who are nice even when they had a bad game are rare. But if I got a killer like you I would give you the last hook on me everytime.
Cause a nice Killer deserves at least my death 😆
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@ElusivePukka said:
@Pulsar, @BrokenSouI plz no, my poor snoot can't do with any more nerfs T.T
#save_the_pig
Poor pig does need more love.
The Stars at the moment are crap.
Think about it, you have people who die insta hook or you have Killers who didn't play and stood there afk. There are so many things that you can't take the numbers serious.
And this shouldn't be a thing about who has it harder. I Main survivor and say a Killer have it pretty wroth against a good survivor.
The Problem for some of us survivors is this new system. Most try hard to give a good game, but more then once you play with potatoes and you can try your best and lose the game asap.
For Killer it's the same. You play against those potatoes win some games and then you have to face survivors who should be on your lvl even if you just started and the own you like no tomorrow.
That's not balanced not in the slightest. The old ranking wasn't that much better, so the question would be what to do. And the right thing would be check the points you got from a game. And balance them with ranks. A good game gives more BPs and you go higher in your rank and and get more out of it. So you can even prevent other stuff survivors and Killers complain about.
And again # Save_the_pig 😀
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I'm a main survivor and I have to say I don't care if I get facecamped or tunneled. The reason why is I was a realy one and started to get the hang of it. When I can loop a killer for 3-5 gens I just take the camping as an badge of honor 😀
When I play killer and that happens more often then I like. I try to avoid tunneling but if he/she runs in front of my nose I won't say no to the hit 😆
What I ,since I started 2017, never did and never will do is camping. I take the fun of the game from me and the other guy.
But it's true that we have survivors who like to get to you. And I hate it as survivor and then I help him.
Cause the game got toxic anough. And yes when I outplayed the killer and he was a nice guy. At the end I give him the kill.
And there are a lot of survivor who do this. And therfore there are a lot of killer who do it.
Last Match I had a Steve who cuddled up with my pig but never blocked me. It was kinda cute.
So why complaining at tactics you can outplay with just doing your objective and win the game at the end or trying to be smarter then the camper.
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They disabled the boon CoH and 4 Map offerings.
The Problem realy was the game crashed and others took forever to load.
The Shadowstep boon is still aktiv.
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Tbh TotH was always a Perk that got outshined through other Perks and lost a lot of meaning, in my opinion, when undying came in.
With TotH it alarmed me when someone Trier to go on my hex. But that was always in a chase or someone wanted to get my attention.
So i don't get the nerf/buff of it.
And all the blessing and the cleansing is something that takes 1 surv away. If this person is cleansing a hex while I get two on a gen I win more the them.
If I play with hexes there was always the risk to lose them. And if they bless a hex and you cleans the blessing what is the big deal. It costs them more time then for you.
And at last the boon totems are just a obstacel but nothing that stops you.
For everything there is a counter.
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The thing with the New rule is, it sucks for both sides.
I have fun as survivor in solo when I see I have to do alot to earn my escape.
Or when I play killer I like it whenever I see someone who Greetsiel me. As Legion or Ghosty. They even invite me sometime to Do gens with them. So I play along and have fun with them.
When I see one who played in an hard game good or his/her Team abandoned through dc. I often let them have the hatch.
But Camping and tunneling is for me a no go. Only if I see someone who means mobbing another Player.
Ok back to topic, this New System Supports such behavior. Kill your own teammates or be Toxic af to get further or camp and tunnel with killer. To get a Atheist a draw.
If they would make it that the kills and the points you get would work together to say how good a game Was, that would be better then this right now.