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@Visi said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1947380#Comment_1947380
Your posts are so devoid of logic that they are painful to read, and the OP is one of the most entitled people I've ever seen discuss this game.
"Why the heck not?" You answer that question with the next sentence. A developer cannot conceivably account for every single possible disability. Game development is a business. You have finite resources and time, and that creates problems if you try to "include as many as you can." If you account for X disability, but not Y disability, then the people with Y disability get to ask the very justified question of why their disability wasn't worth the investment that X disability people got. Why was X prioritized over Y? Do you know what would happen then? They'd be called the same names OP is calling them, and it would be just as absurd then as it is now. It's cheap and quick to accommodate extremely common disabilities like colorblindness and hearing impairment, and these can be accommodated for without negatively impacting or changing gameplay for other players. The same can't be said for those who struggle to pay attention for brief periods of time. Feel free to brand me for wrongthink and hurl the ists and isms at me for being a reasonable person.
With that said... the hook struggle mechanic is boring, pointless, and sometimes flat out doesn't work. I've died before despite mashing my ass off. It should be changed to skillchecks or automated like the first stage, IMO, but it should be changed for the right reasons, and this ain't it.
Entitled isnt a disabled person wanting a pointless minor mechanic changes to improve experiences for disabled people, and everyone as a bonus.
Entitled is saying something that doesnt cater to you shouldnt exist.
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@Fraudette said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1947179#Comment_1947179
I apologize if my previous comment came off as elitist. I certainly wasn't intending it too. However, wishing to make your disability everyone elses problem out of spite, simply because they disagree, is a slap in the face to others who also struggle with disabilities and actively work harder to ensure they can assist the team.
BHVR, as a company, most likely doesn't care enough to make any changes to gameplay for something such as this. Because in the grand scheme of things, the feature and the people who struggle to it are a smaller minority, far less so than, lets say, colorblind players. And that sucks. It sucks to feel unseen because of a disability, and it sucks to feel like you're victim to an unfair system when it feels as if its working against you. But the chances of them actually addressing this point sometime in the near future are so minute that you're better of working with what you have, thinking outside of the box and attempting to solve the solution on your own, rather than waiting for them to introduce accommodations. You're stronger because of it, and it won't fix the problem, but you'll have found a way around it and you can pass that wisdom onto someone else who may be struggling. And in a game like DBD, where everything is broken, I don't think BHVR are even batting an eye to the struggle mechanic at the moment. They're too busy trying to please the majority, and its been a feature that has received little complaint beyond "this is stupid" for so long that its never really been in the spotlight. I've heard they're working on it, but I have yet to see any actual progress on a change myself.
It feels like accepting defeat, but not everything is going to come easy. Sometimes, its your responsibility to work around your disability, and a large group cannot always bend to ensure you're accommodated when it comes to luxuries rather than necessities. Not everything is going to cater to us, as much as we'd like it to. You have to work harder than others, and that might seem unfair, but again, you'll be stronger coming out of it, and you'll have gained plenty of respect. :)
My suggestion for keybinds still stands. If pressing spacebar isn't working out for you, you might find that a different key or action entirely may assist in you keeping your focus for that 60 seconds. Alternatively, equip perks that encourage you to pay attention to your teammates during the hook phase, such as kindred, so that zoning out is more challenging since you'd still be engaging with the group-albeit indirectly.
If it were up to me, I'd remove the quick-time events entirely and replace them with something else, but until then, we've just got to make do. I hope I don't come off as insensitive, because again, I understand where you're coming from - but these are just my suggestions on how to tackle the issue until we may see it brought into light.
Your comments are still elitist. You say your fix works for you then ignore that i say that doesnt work for me. You tell people with disabilities to work around the problem like that is possible if keybindings do nothing would you tell someone who cant walk to crawl up the stairs?
No wonder we have so mamy scummy developers because shills will do anything to defend them. dbd devs do not need you to defend them.
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@JediWithASniper said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1947206#Comment_1947206
Based on what logic group’s assessment?
Just look at the lgbt community dealing with slippery slope arguments for centuries about getting rights.
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@JediWithASniper said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1947168#Comment_1947168
People who don’t know what a slippery slope is engage in foolish actions that end in disaster. There are thousands of games that cater to disabilities. Most games do not need to and shouldn’t.
You dont get a say in what people with disabilities have and need.
As much as you want to be selfish, you have nothing in this discussion, and you add nothing but straw arguments about slippery slopes. The kind of arguments that blocked lgbt rights for centuries and still do.
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The people complaining and the devs should explain to people like Puppers why they cant keep playing the game they love with disabilities that worsen over time. That a few people with ignorant and selfish viewpoints cried victim over the idea of changing a minor and commonly annoying mechanic because it doesnt cater to them.
I hope i play with you guys so you can experience players dieing unfairly on the hook leaving you unable to win as a survivor.
Or maybe youre killer mains looking for easier games.
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@JediWithASniper said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1946561#Comment_1946561
I am never in favor of trying to make everything cater to the smallest minority. Why don’t the devs make the game play itself for people who don’t have arms? If you aren’t in favor of this, then you are discriminating against people without arms!
Just shut up.
People with no argument always have to jump to extremes to try and counter valid points.
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@Leemus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1944979#Comment_1944979
providing the OP with ableist responses isn't at all constructive! good for you if you don't need adaptations to give you the same opportunity as everyone else! there are people out there with things like limb differences who may benefit from this sort of adjustment. There are also people with conditions like multiple sclerosis, motor neurones disease, ALS, Parkinson's etc. who enjoy the game and may be able to play like everyone else one day and the next day they might not because the conditions are degenerative and get worse over time! Additionally, there are people with Neurodiverse conditions who may struggle with focus and sensory issues which may mean they cant repeatedly spam a button who enjoy the game.
why should people who love the game, have to miss out because there's an accessibility issue?! gaming is becoming more and more inclusive now with things like adaptive controllers and gameplay adjustments to make it more accessible to people who might not otherwise be able to play the games they love!
so I personally think the suggestions OP has made would be an excellent step in making sure the game is accessible by all those who wish to play! it's not asking for special treatment, it's asking for equality! there is a quote I have heard a few times " to treat me the same you must treat me differently"
let's take the quoted comment above and apply it to an everyday situation with someone who needs a wheelchair;
" Sorry, but builders shouldn't tailor the front of a building to people who can't use the steps for a minute"
that's how ridiculous and absurd ableists sound when they are frightened someone is going to get an unfair advantage. no one would be getting an advantage! people would be getting equal access to something!
That is better than what i put. Thank you for supporting my feedback. I really hope the developers listen but I'm happy to push this further if needed to get this recognised and resolved. Its tiring to have to fight past ableist and elitist voices over what is a big improvement for us and a nothing change for the priviledged.
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@terumisan said:
You might as well go play cod since the devs don't have any immediate plans for it
You must be confused about the purpose of this forum, for giving feedback so they make plans... i guess you're the wolf in the memes situation.
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@JediWithASniper said:
Sorry, but the devs shouldn’t Taylor gameplay to people who can’t hit the same button repeatedly for a minute.
If we use this kind of nonsensical logic, then they should just make movies with no buttons, and we can all pretend to play.
Also what movie requires button spamming for a minute with no pause?
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It shows how F'ed society is when people can complain a lot about every aspect of the game as long as you dont have a disability, because that suddenly becomes about 'Special' treatment when you want EQUAL treatment.
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@JediWithASniper said:
Sorry, but the devs shouldn’t Taylor gameplay to people who can’t hit the same button repeatedly for a minute.
If we use this kind of nonsensical logic, then they should just make movies with no buttons, and we can all pretend to play.
Excellent contribution with your blatant ablism. Really added to the discussion.
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@Fraudette said:
I have an essential tremor. This makes doing skill checks incredibly stressful, because it only takes one severe shake to accidentally mess one up and screw over the rest of my team. But I still manage, I still play, and I don't blame the devs for not taking that into account.
I understand where you're coming from. I also have ADHD. But the devs are not here to provide an experience exclusive to you, just because you struggle with an aspect of the game. When push comes to shove, YOU need to be able to think outside of the box and work around the issue, because it is not their responsibility to accommodate your needs on a feature very few people have a issue with. It's there to grant you some extra time, but also make sure that you aren't there the entire duration of the game.
Consider swapping out some key binds with something easier on your hand if you're struggling!
That does not work for everyone. And not all disabilities are the same, some struggle more than others. This isnt an exclusive experience, thats insane to overblow what ive said this way. Its called accomodation and basic empathy.
Good for you you have a workaround. Not everyone does, so stop being elitist.
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Idea if the mechanic is really necessary:
Have a bar that goes down over time. Tapping slowly is enough to keep it from reaching the bottom. If you can spam it for a short period then itll push it up more.
If the bar reaches the bottom then the person dies early on the hook.