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@BlackRabies said:
Sure Darth Vader is an amazing character, but the biggest problem is that Vader and the whole Star Wars franchise isn't horror. So it doesn't make any sense and he's not a fit into the theme that DBD holds.
I've heard there is a star wars novel that is horror with the story going over a zombie plague like out break on a space ship. Vader had no part of that story and barely anyone knows of that novel so I highly doubt that would be enough to make a chapter for.
Also since Vader is so powerful what's to stop him from just instant killing the survivors or destroying the realms. He's likely strong enough to even destroy the Entity. The strongest killers currently in DBD either have limiters on them restricting their power or they wanted to be part of the trails. Vader certainly won't accept it.
And one more thing! Can't compare killers and survivors of who fits and who doesn't. Killers are suppose to be the faces of horror not the survivors.
yeah vader can totally kill the entity…
what are you talking about
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@Pulsar said:
I'm going to say it.
Tunneling and slugging are unhealthy mechanics that are taken to extremes by portions of the playerbase.
There should be safeguards against these extremes.
or maybe make these things more fun
idk about tunneling but in 2v8 mode slugging is in no way good
you can make slugging an option to take instead of hooking and make it more engaging for survivors.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863808#Comment_3863808
I highly doubt it.
It'll probably be remembered like Slender, if Slender hadn't had those killings.
Also, yes, Chambers needs more love.
considering we have more games each year (and another movie) it will be remembered like all the other horror icons. Also slender is a creepy pasta so he was different, not worse, but different
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the jumpscare element is not a big part of fnaf as you might think.
Original fnaf is you fighting with time against impossible to beat robots. You can only hide in your office. The power will have jumpscarse for sure, but not as much as you think.The power will probably be more about stealth with some kind of ability to know where the killer is.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863793#Comment_3863793
I'd say Alien and The Thing are up there.
I'd really like some good and faithful modern adaptations of those stories though, we could really use them.
you missed the point.
original six fnaf games (no, not including fnaf world) are horror, whether you like it or not.
Unlike new fnaf, that is directed at children, Scott wantet old fnaf to be represented in a good way, that's why he didn't choose fortnite for the collab (which is funny, because we have alien, evild dead, halloween and others there). Your entire complain is you not liking new media because it's new. in another 20, 30 years fnaf will have the same status as halloween or friday the 13th, again whether you like it or not. Also Chambers needs more recognition. -
@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863659#Comment_3863659
This is a game for children. It is marketed towards young teens.
I am sorry, but if you think that FNAF is anywhere near something like Psycho, Alien, The Thing etc. etc. or even something like Dead Space, early Resident Evil titles or Outlast, you're crazy.
There aren't any surveys conducted, but I think it's pretty obvious who they are marketing towards.
I am sorry, but if you think Psycho, Alien, The Thing, F13 etc. etc. are anywhere near something like strange case of dr jekyll and mr hyde, dracula, frankenstein or even something like Lovecraft's stories or Chamber's the repairer of reputation or the yellow sign, you're crazy.
There aren't any surveys conducted, but I think it's pretty obvious who they are marketing towards.
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ok, created a solution that wouldn't brake the game even more. you'd be suprised by how hard it is.
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@Devil_hit11 said:
it promotes tunneling because you don't want to injure anyone. you find 1 person and ignore everyone else because applying injuries to other people weaken you.
survivors are rewarded for body blocking tho
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@Smoe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863232#Comment_3863232
My problem with his Singularity video is also with his interpretation of Singularity as well, but more so is actually about his Gabriel video and how he starts pissing and moaning about how a female background character in someone else's story being treated like a background character instead of getting main character treatment is somehow bad.
Claims that it's portraying her as a damsel in distress just because she doesn't save anyone like the rest of the background characters does at least once (who mind you) all ######### dies in the end along with her regardless.
_With Nurse, he outright claims that she was character assassinated/retconned from her base lore, stating that her base lore portrayed her as a caring person who went insane because of the inhumane treatment that the patients at the asylum suffered by because of the staff working there, only for the tome to do a 180 and suddenly make her believe in eugenics for no apparent reason.
Problem with it is that this is all just complete bias talk on his part because the tome story didn't live up to his (and other people who was in the same boat as him) own interpretation of the base lore. A base lore mind you that was already incredibly vague and barebone to begin with.
I've read Nurse's tome lore multiple times and there is nothing in it that can't be explained, linked back to the base lore or refuted as to why it's neither a retcon nor an actual character assassination of Nurse's portrayal in the base lore.
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With Jonah, there are quite a few problems, however the one that annoys me the most is that Pixel calls him a war criminal because he bombed civilians and acts like Jonah intentionally did it, while portraying the rebels as the good guys. Not to mention how he should have taken the money from the CIA instead of the rebels for the families that suffered from his mistake.
Problem here is that pixel completely leaves out the fact that Jonah was deceived by the rebels who sent out the decoy code to begin with.
Also the fact that Pixel calls him a war criminal when Jonah's action cannot be considered a war crime. As for it to be considered as one, Jonah would have required to have intentionally wanted to hit the civilians in the first place, however because his actions was unintentional since he got tricked, it legally wouldn't be considered as one.
I think the problem with pixel is that he bases his opinion about the lore around the fact if he likes the character in the first place. I also don't like his opinion on dredge's lore. "Cult being an obvious cult and people still go into it?" have he seen people in real life? Have he seen the type of ######### people will believe for no reason?
Also Dredge can be fog and not want his flesh to be injured, because he needs it to attack survivors. It's kind of obvious but there are also many explanations you can create that work too, Pixel is just too lazy to come up with any of them. To be fair you can't care for everything but I don't really think he should present it like a fact when you can easily counter it, especially that his whole videos are subjective.
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@Brokenbones said:
Keep in mind the Entity does have plant like/organic-like elements to it.
That's where the 'hallowed blight' came from, as it's said the entity would undergo a yearly 'purge' of some kind which causes it to become blighted and sprout the pustula flowers. From these flowers is where the serum is distilled and created by Talbot aka The Blight himself. This has since stopped since that series of events has concluded but it makes you wonder what would cause the Entity to need to 'purge' itself like that, almost like it was infected with a disease or something.
The serum also reanimates the dead into zombie-like creatures, as seen with the blighted rat/crow addons for example.
yes but as I said serum can't hurt the entity in any way as confirmed by Mathew
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I had people straight up saying that "there is some other force that sent pyramid head to the realm do harm the entity" and when I presented them the most obvious evidence I love to use they said "maybe that's just the entity trying to get as much as it wants". honestly they sounded like me when I was 12 years old? so I don't blame them honestly if that's the case. I just really don't get it how these people can talk about the lore like they know it when they don't even bother to check the information.
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@Smoe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863118#Comment_3863118
Honestly, dbd lore content creators is probably my least favorite part of this community.
Pixel especially is someone who i take great issue with due to several of his videos spreading his own bias about the lores he covers, as he's clearly presenting his biased view on said lores in a way that portrays them as if they're the objectively correct ways of interpreting those lores.
His Nurse, Pyramid Head, Singularity & Jonah videos being the worst offenders of the bunch. Honorable mention goes to his Vittorio video.
yeah but I think it's more the issue with the people who didn't read the lore. Personally I had some problems with his interpretation of singularity lore. mainly I didn't like how he acted like singularity was a killer robot made to be good at it when it's clear it wasn't programmed to harm the crew (see what I did there). his mistakes are human mistakes and that's the point. unlike for example am who was a war machine with sole purpose of killing the enemy. I can't say that about others 'cause I didn't read jonah and nurse tomes 'cause I didn't finish them in game and forgot to do it on wiki.
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@VolantConch1719 said:
Smoe's already done a good job explaining why none of the "Entity Destoyers" are actually up to par, so I'll leave that alone, but the answer to why people actually believe these things can be chalked up to multiple things, all of which kind of lead into each other:
- A refusal to actually read the lore themselves coupled with a lack of critical thinking.
- The community's incredible ability to take any an all theories at complete face value and accept them as canon (Dredge being a miniature Entity or Pyramid Head causing damage to the Entity being the two big ones I can think of) BECAUSE they refuse to read the lore themselves, which then leads into them not reading the lore because they think they already know it.
- Content creators who basically advertise themselves as "lore experts" who have a habit of adding their own spin on the lore instead of actually telling it how it is, which not only leads to complete those nonsense theories being taken as pure fact due to their reach and influence, but also leads to misinformation surrounding characters (which can also be genuinely dangerous in the case of Jonah and Nurse) because people DON'T READ THE LORE THEMSELVES AND THEN CALL THEMSELVES EXPERTS AND REFUSE TO READ IT. Pixel's probably the worst offender (he's definitely the biggest creator), but I don't think ANY of them are actually reliable.
Basically, the people who actually care about the lore get drowned out by those who only care about the sparknotes version, which leads to fact and theory getting all jumbled up, capitalized on by content creators for clout because they KNOW that people will go to them first and actually read for themselves never.
This is how we end up with stupid theories like the Entity being terrified of MYERS of all people when he's pretty bottom of the barrel in terms of power, or Pyramid Head being a parasite who tortures the Entity, or cosmic-level Sadako, or Dredge being a juvenile version of the Entity, and I could honestly just write an entire novel with how many of these there are.
it's funny because pixel himself doesn't believe that a single killer can actually harm the entity and the whole pyramid head thing was, as he himself stated in the video, just what he thinks should be the actual reason of why pyramid head is here. Which just adds to the ignorance people have in dead by daylight's community
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@Smoe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3862265#Comment_3862265
Thing to keep in mind is that we don't fully know everything about The Entity itself, so we cannot accurately estimate how powerful it is in comparison to other characters. It is simply just an assumption that Dracula would stand a decent chance against The Entity given the nature of his character and his powers, however since the devs intentionally keep the full extend of The Entity's powers and limits vague to a certain extent, any form of power scaling becomes impossible to accurately do.
As far as Alan Wake goes, his presence in DBD takes place at some unspecified point in time during his 13 years of being trapped in the dark place and given that he doesn't have the clicker nor any papers for his typewriter that he finds at the campfire at the end of his tome cinematic. There's no way he could ever defeat The Entity, at most he would find a way to escape back to his writer cabin in the dark place, but that's about it.
Also one of the devs straight up told people on stream that they'll let the community determine if Alan created his own pocket version of DBD in an attempt to escape the dark place or if The Entity abducted him like everyone else.
You're right with The Dark Place not being the same place as The Realm, because aside from the fact that both places function entirely different from one another and how one is controlled by a lovecraftian being while the other is not, there is nothing that could prove it to actually be the case. Unless it got stated to be the case in-game, it's all pretty much based on speculation. Nothing more and nothing less.
I do actually think that one of the better explanations for Alan Wake is that dark place could be a part of the realm same way as the observer's tower is or the void for example. I do think that we see too many examples of entity manipulating and pretty much ######### with people's minds to the point where the idea he did the same to Alan Wake to make him a better survivor doesn't seem that far off to me. Especially that devs already confirmed in #111 livestream that entity went out of his way to manipulate for a long time spirit's father to make him the killer. When he choose spirit instead all of entity's manipulation faded away from his mind and he realised what he just did. Kind of sad if you think about it.
Add to the fact that fog or auris can create things from nothing or light being a weak spot for both the entity and dark place. But it really is just another explanation that we can't prove nor disprove. I thing it's ultimately meaningless as we'll never see devs confirm or deconfirm it. Also it would be canon only for dbd.
Adding to Dracula thing we know that Entity succesfuly destroyed worlds before. If I remember correctly observer is from one of the worlds where there's no one left on earth. There is also a world where entity sends spider monsters to kill of humanity. Which makes him more succesful at what dracula wanted to do too.
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@Smoe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3862054#Comment_3862054
I mean yeah such grain of salt is needed but only if it was the main topic and not a small part of my arguments. Also I didn't really created an greater explanation on how lorewise it looks for those killers and focused mainly on evidence so I give you a point for creativity. But I don't agree with Dracula as he can be killed by a belmont so entity could just give the whip back to him if dracula wanted to do something more. Other than that I don't really know how powerful Dracula is but I don't think he's an Elder God power level type of character but I agree that he could potentially escape entity's realm.
Dracula is the Avatar of Chaos in the Castlevania universe, which is the eldritch personification of darkness, the antithesis of God and the source of Dracula's immense power. Chaos itself is linked to Dracula's castle which houses evils of all kinds, including death itself, who will seek to resurrect Dracula if he should fall.
I think it's fair to suggest that Dracula himself would stand a decent chance if he decided to square off against the spider god of the realm.
Also isn't Sadako actually from books? Because now that I check the teaser for Sadako it says "From the original story" and has name of the author of the book at the bottom with all the licensing stuff.
The teaser states the following and i quote ''A key piece of horror history is joining Dead by Daylight’s expansive roster. Prepare for Ringu to spread its curse across The Fog, with a new Chapter inspired by Kōji Suzuki’s novel and the original acclaimed film adaptation.'' Keyword here is inspired by, not based on.
Nothing in the Ring chapter itself ties back to novel apart from the movie adapation itself that the chapter is talking about, which is based on the novel in of itself. That's literally it as outside that, there is nothing else.
- All the add-ons connects back to Ringu 1 & 2.
- Yoichi himself only exist in the movie adaptation and his dbd lore is based on his lore of Ringu 1 & 2.
- Sadako's lore is a direct recap of her origin story in Ringu 1, along with a ''here's how she end up in the realm'' being sprinkled ontop of it at the end of the recap.
It is completely based on the movie adaptation, if there is anything related to the novels, it isn't something i can find.
My point with belmont and the whip still stands tho. Also there are other killers that joined the realm from their free will. I still think that the only way we can confirm someone defeating the entity is if we would know if we can even defeat the entity. And the closest to that we have devs confirming they won't deconfirm fan theories about alan wake. That's literally the best we got and I still see people acting like it's an actual confirmation of their theories. I can't actually imagine dbd's realm being just a part of dark place true, it just doesn't make sense for bhvr to throw their entire lore like that away for a licensed character.
And thanks for the clarification about Sadako.
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@Smoe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3862009#Comment_3862009
I could write 3 paragraphs as to why exactly that much grain of salt is required for it, however to save time and not divert the topic of the thread any further than it already has, i'm just gonna say the following and leave it at that.
Dvveet have never leaked anything himself at all, others have always done it for him while all he did was post it for easy clout, as well as blindly believing and defending everything he's told by those same people like a complete bootlicker regardless of how true any of it was or wasn't that weren't renders or visual imagery of actual unreleased cosmetics or content from chapters.
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As far as the actual topic goes, here's my own POV on the matter.
- Dracula (if he wanted to) is possibly the only killer at the moment who could potentially stand up to The Entity in due time when he has regained his strength from his last defeat at the hands of the Belmonts, however as demonstrated in-game by his lobby voicelines and even by one of the devs stating that the only reeason he's in the fog is because he wants to be there, he has no reason to do so.
- I doubt Vecna would have won if he and The Entity tried to actually duke it out in his lore, instead of letting it take him, since he's in his arch-lich form and not in his god form like so many that i've seen claim him to be. In time however, he might be able to do so, but as of currently, not a chance.
- Pinhead cannot return to hell because The Lament Configuration has been tampered with by The Entity as seen in-game, as no matter how many times it's interacted with, no gateway to hell is created. Same way his mori never shows Survivors end up in hell despite his mori voicelines. He is for all we know stuck in the realm at The Entity's mercy, just like most others in the lore. (Although The Cenobite's god Leviathan would be a different story entirely.)
- Myers despite being evil incarnated is still human at the end of the day and if we go by the Halloween 2018 timeline, he can be weakened by simply just preventing him from killing anyone to power him up, to the point where he can be permanently killed.
- Pyramid Head's existence relies solely on The Entity keep it's agreement with it. If The Entity suddenly doesn't need it's presence anymore, it will just go back to stop existing again like it was about to before it entered the realm. Also cages counts as hooks and carving the ground with POTD doesn't mean it harms The Entity directly, so there's that.
- Sadako is just the movie version of Sadako and doesn't have all her crazy attributes from the novels like her counterpart there does. Not to mention that it's easy for a character to be the strongest one that exist in their own universe when they're written to be as such, since no one else is even remotely close to her level of power, unlike in DBD where the multiverse is an aspect.
- The rest of the killers ain't worth addressing.
I mean yeah such grain of salt is needed but only if it was the main topic and not a small part of my arguments. Also I didn't really created an greater explanation on how lorewise it looks for those killers and focused mainly on evidence so I give you a point for creativity. But I don't agree with Dracula as he can be killed by a belmont so entity could just give the whip back to him if dracula wanted to do something more. Other than that I don't really know how powerful Dracula is but I don't think he's an Elder God power level type of character but I agree that he could potentially escape entity's realm.
Also I forgot about lament configuration being used like it's nothing which is some actual evidence compared to what I said.
Also isn't Sadako actually from books? Because now that I check the teaser for Sadako it says "From the original story" and has name of the author of the book at the bottom with all the licensing stuff.
Aside from the that I agree with what you said.
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@HexHuntressThighs said:
It's apart of the rules for the trial. I don't think anything actually hurts any of the killers. A pallet wouldn't hurt nemesis. Nor would DS. But the entity allows the survivors to make certain weapons and makes it stun the killer so that way the survivor can get away and increase the hope of the survivor, thus giving the entity more food since it feeds on emotions. I would assume Survivors don't have a choice where to stab the killer. Just like how they all can just repair generators despite never having worked on them before.
Everything that happens in the trial only happens because the entity allows it. With the exception of hatch as that was created by Vigo and not meant to exist. Survivors don't actually fight back fully because they can't. Otherwise Leon would be going sicko mode.
devs confirmed that there aren't any rules in the trail (in #111 livestream). At least not in a way we think of rules. It's more of a proccess and everything that happens in the trail is a part of it. We can only assume it's pointless and not as effective as a pallet (where you can drop it on the head and stall the killer by forcing them to break it) like we see in re trailer with jill shooting nemesis and it not working. Entity might force it but not as a rule, just as a part of the trails.
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@Smoe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3861997#Comment_3861997
A major grain of salt in every sense of the word. So much so that it could never be taken as a fact, since Dvveet got the info from Masus and all he provided was just a ''trust me bro'' as evidence, same with the supposed Sadako map.
yes but dvveet leaked a lot of stuff that became true so not that major grain of salt. Also it's not the main part of my argument unlike stuff about myers, pyramid head and blight. There really isn't anything to disprove about pinhead to begin with since there is no evidence that pinhead is able to defeat the entity
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@Smoe said:
Well first let's start with the fact that we also were supposed to get the map with him.
What's your source for that?
dveet so take it with a grain of sault
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I think many people misunderstood the original comment. It was about a situation when tehre are more than 1 person slugged and 1 person healthy/injured. You hook one of them and then the other one is picked up and both hide leaving the third one to die. The question is, why in this situation not slug? It wastes less time for everyone and killer is pretty much doing a favour here.