Legion buff ideas

-no longer loses feral frenzy gauge when hitting survivors with a basic attack

-pallet vault speed increased (not gonna be what it was originally, but moderately faster than what it is now so that legion cal still frenzy people on loops without the need of iridescent button)

-deep wounds applied via legion's frenzy (so borrowed time excluded) count as healing, meaning coulrophobia, thanatophobia, sloppy butcher and nurse's calling all affect mending

-in return, blade add-ons don't stack with sloppy nor thana. Instead, whichever is slower at that moment will take priority. If the filthy blade makes mending slower, sloppy butcher and thana won't apply, if sloppy and thana make it slower, the blade won't apply

-pin add-ons now apply the said effects on the application of deep wounds instead of only applying after the first hit. In return, the duration of the broken status is reduced from 60s to 40s.

Comments

  • Just make his addons more efficient.

    Only ultra rare pin is his best addon. I use it in every game. No exceptions

  • Here's a counter to all these points except the last one.

    • Having that be the case would have Legions easily catch up to Survivors after a hit, and it also allows them to just FF everyone in sight who was close to that hit, and nobody I know here likes to mend, heal, mend, heal, mend heal...
    • You can still frenzy people despite the decrease in speed, the only thing that's changed is HOW easy it was TO frenzy people... And people hated that...
    • If they added that people would be so mad everytime a Legion FFs the entire team, you'd never have a solid get away, he'd know everywhere you're at all times... And also, nobody liked mending for a long time back then, and they still don't now...
    • That'd make the blades another add-on to get redone, and ultimately they'd just make it some add-on that increases hemorrhaging again for the 500th time... It'd make them useless is what i'm saying.
    • I'll agree with this because the pin add-ons are useless anyways... This isn't anything to really be against.
  • @FireHazard said:

    Here's a counter to all these points except the last one.

    • Having that be the case would have Legions easily catch up to Survivors after a hit, and it also allows them to just FF everyone in sight who was close to that hit, and nobody I know here likes to mend, heal, mend, heal, mend heal...
    • You can still frenzy people despite the decrease in speed, the only thing that's changed is HOW easy it was TO frenzy people... And people hated that...
    • If they added that people would be so mad everytime a Legion FFs the entire team, you'd never have a solid get away, he'd know everywhere you're at all times... And also, nobody liked mending for a long time back then, and they still don't now...
    • That'd make the blades another add-on to get redone, and ultimately they'd just make it some add-on that increases hemorrhaging again for the 500th time... It'd make them useless is what i'm saying.
    • I'll agree with this because the pin add-ons are useless anyways... This isn't anything to really be against.

    Then just delete legion and give people back the money they spent in form of auric cells, if all my ideas suck then Legion was just a hopeless project from the start and should be gone asap.

  • @MemberBerry said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/701922#Comment_701922

    Then just delete legion and give people back the money they spent in form of auric cells, if all my ideas suck then Legion was just a hopeless project from the start and should be gone asap.

    That wasn't the point of my post, the point was these ideas are not going to fix the main issue that is The Legion.

    He was flawed at the start because of his add-ons and various bugs that I am STILL surprised they didn't catch before his release... What he used to be was actually one of the most unique Killers DBD ever had, and that's what made him fun.

    For context, he was nerfed into the ground because everyone was demanding it day by day by day by day. And either the devs couldn't handle the whining anymore, or they just didn't know what to do with him after people started disliking him "Aka, mostly Survivors and Killers that didn't know how to utilize him..."

    In the future, i'll probably make a huge in-depth post on this issue, and see what can be done about him for the future. But as of right now, the points you listed are some of the points that people were complaining for days about in the first place...

  • @FireHazard said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/701927#Comment_701927

    That wasn't the point of my post, the point was these ideas are not going to fix the main issue that is The Legion.

    He was flawed at the start because of his add-ons and various bugs that I am STILL surprised they didn't catch before his release... What he used to be was actually one of the most unique Killers DBD ever had, and that's what made him fun.

    For context, he was nerfed into the ground because everyone was demanding it day by day by day by day. And either the devs couldn't handle the whining anymore, or they just didn't know what to do with him after people started disliking him "Aka, mostly Survivors and Killers that didn't know how to utilize him..."

    In the future, i'll probably make a huge in-depth post on this issue, and see what can be done about him for the future. But as of right now, the points you listed are some of the points that people were complaining for days about in the first place...

    The changes I've listed are what would make Legion seem more like himself, and not like an m1 killer with an injure ability. If people really don't like that then I think it's time to lay off the skins and new chapters and start reworking legion completely.

  • @MemberBerry said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/701931#Comment_701931

    The changes I've listed are what would make Legion seem more like himself, and not like an m1 killer with an injure ability. If people really don't like that then I think it's time to lay off the skins and new chapters and start reworking legion completely.

    See here's the thing, the reason I countered those points is BECAUSE of the exact reason they were created.

    I have no idea if you were on the forums at the time of the riots that took over the forums, but people hated Legion with a passion if they faced him as Survivor. Even Killers hated him. (Aka the majority, because the minority actually had no issue 4king with him)

    The Killer was flawed from the start, and I feel like the devs knew that but they didn't really know what to do to fix him... They couldn't just rework him before the release, that wouldn't make any sense. I feel their only hope was to release him right there, and than fix the issue as he progressed.

    If this ISN'T what was on their mind, than they probably thought the Killer was fine until literally EVERYONE AND THEIR MOM pointed out every flaw about him when facing him... You can't make how he is right now balanced you just can't, unless they reworked his power its not possible to do anything with his current one. (That I know of)

    Here's some of the points Survivors hated about him.

    • Mending and healing takes too long
    • Its too easy to get hit by his FF
    • Its not fun mending and healing every time when FF hits you
    • He vaults WAY TOO FAST, its impossible to get away from him
    • Franks mixtape is TOO OP!!!!!!

    Now here's some points why Killers (Majority) hated him.

    • Its too hard to 4k
    • its too hard to down anyone in-general
    • Games take WAY TOO LONG!
    • No perk combos can be done on him! (Disproved right at the start of his inception but people still pressed on this point regardless.)

    And what the heck, here was some bugs people abused that made facing him literal hell. (All are nerfed and or fixed, so no i'm not giving out bug info to people.)

    • Ruin because you didn't actually need Ruin if you just used Thanatophobia
    • The moonwalking and looking down at where scratch marks were to run the mend timer out "bug"
    • Franks mixtape, because getting instantly downed with two or three FF hits was annoying...
    • Double knife add-on combo would make the mend timer increase every time a new FF hit was given to you, this lead to the point where some FFs took 10 minutes...
    • Stab wound study also made it annoying but not as much as Franks mixtape did
    • His speed add-ons made running from his FF almost impossible...
    • He couldn't lose FF when missing a hit, so people just spammed the hit till they hit the Survivor.

    This is just some of why people despised him, and literally people were QUITTING THE GAME because of him...

  • imo the legion dont need buffs.


    they need a full on power rework.

  • @FireHazard said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/701941#Comment_701941

    See here's the thing, the reason I countered those points is BECAUSE of the exact reason they were created.

    I have no idea if you were on the forums at the time of the riots that took over the forums, but people hated Legion with a passion if they faced him as Survivor. Even Killers hated him. (Aka the majority, because the minority actually had no issue 4king with him)

    The Killer was flawed from the start, and I feel like the devs knew that but they didn't really know what to do to fix him... They couldn't just rework him before the release, that wouldn't make any sense. I feel their only hope was to release him right there, and than fix the issue as he progressed.

    If this ISN'T what was on their mind, than they probably thought the Killer was fine until literally EVERYONE AND THEIR MOM pointed out every flaw about him when facing him... You can't make how he is right now balanced you just can't, unless they reworked his power its not possible to do anything with his current one. (That I know of)

    Here's some of the points Survivors hated about him.

    • Mending and healing takes too long
    • Its too easy to get hit by his FF
    • Its not fun mending and healing every time when FF hits you
    • He vaults WAY TOO FAST, its impossible to get away from him
    • Franks mixtape is TOO OP!!!!!!

    Now here's some points why Killers (Majority) hated him.

    • Its too hard to 4k
    • its too hard to down anyone in-general
    • Games take WAY TOO LONG!
    • No perk combos can be done on him! (Disproved right at the start of his inception but people still pressed on this point regardless.)

    And what the heck, here was some bugs people abused that made facing him literal hell. (All are nerfed and or fixed, so no i'm not giving out bug info to people.)

    • Ruin because you didn't actually need Ruin if you just used Thanatophobia
    • The moonwalking and looking down at where scratch marks were to run the mend timer out "bug"
    • Franks mixtape, because getting instantly downed with two or three FF hits was annoying...
    • Double knife add-on combo would make the mend timer increase every time a new FF hit was given to you, this lead to the point where some FFs took 10 minutes...
    • Stab wound study also made it annoying but not as much as Franks mixtape did
    • His speed add-ons made running from his FF almost impossible...
    • He couldn't lose FF when missing a hit, so people just spammed the hit till they hit the Survivor.

    This is just some of why people despised him, and literally people were QUITTING THE GAME because of him...

    And I just said, time to lay off new chapters and rework Legion. Much better to do it now than wait 1,5 years like we had to with Freddy.

  • @MemberBerry said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/701961#Comment_701961

    And I just said, time to lay off new chapters and rework Legion. Much better to do it now than wait 1,5 years like we had to with Freddy.

    They can't exactly drop dedicated servers right now just for a single Killer. This is something we'll have to wait on if it even EVER happens.

  • I agree OP, great idea.

  • @FireHazard said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/701971#Comment_701971

    They can't exactly drop dedicated servers right now just for a single Killer. This is something we'll have to wait on if it even EVER happens.

    Fair enough.

  • Legion def could use some tweaks but imo DW requires a re-evaluation as well.

    Rework DW so it's less of a boring M1 holding debuff but more debilitating and dangerous. Treat it like a regular injury, aka only way to mend is with the help of a teammate, with a medkit or with certain perks and decrease base mending time to like 6-8s.

    In return increase the base timer to like 60s. And certain actions, like repairing gens or runing, tremendously increase the speed at which the timer progresses to deter survivors from ignoring their injuries and slowing them down.