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What is BHVR's stance on data mining / viewing .pak files for DBD?

AntiJelly AntiJelly
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Obviously this question is primarily aimed at any BHVR employee/CM/moderator who may be viewing this, but if anyone happens to have some insight, it's welcome.

What is BHVR's stance on decompiling/viewing DbD's .pak files, as well as discussing the contents within?

Some studios don't like it, and ban for it, while others are perfectly fine with it (particularly studios that allow modding for their games). I don't believe I've ever seen BHVR take any particular stance on it though.

Obviously modifying the .pak files is pretty much all but bannable, EAC would probably auto-ban before it even gets to a BHVR employee. I'm specifically curious about viewing them and/or talking about them and sharing the information within.

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  • AntiJelly AntiJelly

    Also semi-related is the small-ish (but quickly growing) DbD modding community, who I think are mainly using the leaked Dev-Kit build from that big 2019 Ghost face PTB fiasco to do their modding with.

    If BHVR has any particular stance on that, that'd be nice to know too.

  • ByeByeQ ByeByeQ

    Discussing leaked and data-minded content is clearly listed as against the rules of this forum.

  • Fred_krueger Fred_krueger

    Does it cost them money / bp?

    Doubt they care.

  • Laurie268 Laurie268

    @AntiJelly said:

    Also semi-related is the small-ish (but quickly growing) DbD modding community, who I think are mainly using the leaked Dev-Kit build from that big 2019 Ghost face PTB fiasco to do their modding with.

    If BHVR has any particular stance on that, that'd be nice to know too.

    They’re mostly playing on 5.6.2 and 5.7.2 but speaking about this on the forums is against the rules, you’re better off asking this on reddit

  • FilthyLegionMain FilthyLegionMain

    @ByeByeQ said:

    Discussing leaked and data-minded content is clearly listed as against the rules of this forum.

    Answer the question, captain buzzkill. There's no content here to speak of, we just want an answer.

  • bm33 bm33

    @AntiJelly said:

    Obviously this question is primarily aimed at any BHVR employee/CM/moderator who may be viewing this, but if anyone happens to have some insight, it's welcome.

    What is BHVR's stance on decompiling/viewing DbD's .pak files, as well as discussing the contents within?

    Some studios don't like it, and ban for it, while others are perfectly fine with it (particularly studios that allow modding for their games). I don't believe I've ever seen BHVR take any particular stance on it though.

    Obviously modifying the .pak files is pretty much all but bannable, EAC would probably auto-ban before it even gets to a BHVR employee. I'm specifically curious about viewing them and/or talking about them and sharing the information within.

    In a post from 2019 Peanits told someone that Data Mining is against the Eula.

    @Peanits said:

    I would suggest that your friend stops data mining. It is against the EULA.

    But beyond that, voice chat was tested very early on (back in the early alpha days). This was already mentioned in the past and we had decided against it. What you're seeing is more than likely just a leftover from that. There are no plans to add voice chat at the moment.

    And multiple posts where players discussed leaks Mandy included data mining discussions being against forum rules.

    @Mandy said:

    This is definitely not the type of discussion that's appropriate to have here. We do not discuss leaks/suspected leaks/data mined information on this platform at all - it's expressly against our platform rules.

    @Mandy said:

    A quick reminder here, to not to refer to leaks or suspected leaks on this forum...(alleged data mining falls well within that ruling).

    Thanks

    @AntiJelly said:

    Also semi-related is the small-ish (but quickly growing) DbD modding community, who I think are mainly using the leaked Dev-Kit build from that big 2019 Ghost face PTB fiasco to do their modding with.

    If BHVR has any particular stance on that, that'd be nice to know too.

    As recently as August Mandy has stated modding is not supported by BHVR and can trigger a ban that they will not remove.

    @Mandy said:

    Adjusting our game files in this manner is not something that's supported officially and can trigger a ban, one which we will not assist in getting removed.

    We also will not have these discussions on our official platforms.


  • ByeByeQ ByeByeQ

    @FilthyLegionMain said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3276406#Comment_3276406

    Answer the question, captain buzzkill. There's no content here to speak of, we just want an answer.

    I'll give you the same answer BHVR would give which is no answer at all. They will not state definitively that using custom portraits and icons won't get you banned when in practicality they made it easy to do with their folder system.

    They will not answer. The best you'll get is "do it at your own risk and if you get banned there's nothing we'll do."

  • FilthyLegionMain FilthyLegionMain

    @bm33 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/355950/what-is-bhvrs-stance-on-data-mining-viewing-pak-files-for-dbd

    In a post from 2019 Peanits told someone that Data Mining is against the Eula.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/592502#Comment_592502

    And multiple posts where players discussed leaks Mandy included data mining discussions being against forum rules.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2777153#Comment_2777153

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2511889#Comment_2511889

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3276364#Comment_3276364

    As recently as August Mandy has stated modding is not supported by BHVR and can trigger a ban that they will not remove.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3146134#Comment_3146134

    THANK YOU! Now I can focus on something else...

  • BendIt BendIt

    Could this explain why RNG sucks with hook spawns at the moment?

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