I'm new and confused

ViciouscirceBU

Why do survivors wait at the exit gate and just egg you on to hit them. Like do they get more points if they leave injured? And also what describes a toxic killer/survivor. And if you hook someone and two other survivors are right next to you and one trys to lead you away but you know the moment you Chase that one the one who's hooked would get unhooked is it still considered camping. And I don't mean like face camp the person on the hook but like if you absolutely know for sure that two other survivors are hella close to you so you just wait for them to show themselves. I know I've read that some types of camping can me a gaming strategy but where dose it cross the line from strategy to toxicity

Fibijean

That's a fair few questions. I'll try to answer them all as best I can.

Firstly, why do survivors wait at the exit gate for you to hit them before leaving? There are a couple of reasons, but no, they don't get more points if they leave injured. Sometimes, they do this as a means of rubbing their victory in your face. Usually the ones with that attitude will run around in circles, spam flashlights, and maybe even leave right before you manage to hit them. However, some survivors will wait around at the gate because they know you get points for hitting them, and they want to ease the sting for you a little bit by giving you some extra last-minute bloodpoints - a bit of a consolation prize, if you like, for the fact that you lost.

What defines toxicity? You'll get different answers to that from pretty much everyone. In my opinion, toxicity is a behaviour or an attitude. It's not about what builds or mechanics you employ, but how and why you do so. No build or mechanic on its own is inherently "toxic", but people can be toxic and often use particular items, perks or mechanics which allow them to behave that way. A basic definition for toxicity is, if what the person is doing serves no tactical purpose - especially if it actually hinders their chances of victory - and the only thing they get out of it is making others suffer or feel bad in some way, then it's toxic. Examples of toxic behaviour (though admittedly only mildly so) in DBD include teabagging the killer as a survivor, or hitting hooked survivors as a killer. They don't do it to help them win the game, they only do it to gloat and make their opponent feel bad.

Is the scenario you described camping? Yes, absolutely. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily. No reasonable person would expect you to leave the hook when you know there are survivors right there who you could hit. However, it's also a mistake not to chase anyone for fear of someone else coming to rescue the hooked survivor. One of the biggest lessons to learn as a new killer is that it's okay for survivors to get rescued from the hook. Basically, if leaving the hook is more likely to get you another hook than staying around, it's a good idea to leave. But if you know there are other survivors nearby just waiting for you to leave, feel free to search the area for them instead.

As for where camping crosses the line from strategy to toxicity, it comes back to what I was saying earlier about intent. Camping, in and of itself, is never toxic. But it could be considered to be so if the killer doing it is willingly relinquishing a strategic advantage in order to camp the hook, just because they want to ruin the hooked survivor's game. An example of this might be if other survivors try to start a chase, but the killer refuses to chase or even hit them. If there are tactical reasons to camp, it's absolutely fine. If there is no tactical reason and it's purely about ruining the game for others, then it's toxic.

ViciouscirceBU

@Fibijean said:

That's a fair few questions. I'll try to answer them all as best I can.

Firstly, why do survivors wait at the exit gate for you to hit them before leaving? There are a couple of reasons, but no, they don't get more points if they leave injured. Sometimes, they do this as a means of rubbing their victory in your face. Usually the ones with that attitude will run around in circles, spam flashlights, and maybe even leave right before you manage to hit them. However, some survivors will wait around at the gate because they know you get points for hitting them, and they want to ease the sting for you a little bit by giving you some extra last-minute bloodpoints - a bit of a consolation prize, if you like, for the fact that you lost.

What defines toxicity? You'll get different answers to that from pretty much everyone. In my opinion, toxicity is a behaviour or an attitude. It's not about what builds or mechanics you employ, but how and why you do so. No build or mechanic on its own is inherently "toxic", but people can be toxic and often use particular items, perks or mechanics which allow them to behave that way. A basic definition for toxicity is, if what the person is doing serves no tactical purpose - especially if it actually hinders their chances of victory - and the only thing they get out of it is making others suffer or feel bad in some way, then it's toxic. Examples of toxic behaviour (though admittedly only mildly so) in DBD include teabagging the killer as a survivor, or hitting hooked survivors as a killer. They don't do it to help them win the game, they only do it to gloat and make their opponent feel bad.

Is the scenario you described camping? Yes, absolutely. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily. No reasonable person would expect you to leave the hook when you know there are survivors right there who you could hit. However, it's also a mistake not to chase anyone for fear of someone else coming to rescue the hooked survivor. One of the biggest lessons to learn as a new killer is that it's okay for survivors to get rescued from the hook. Basically, if leaving the hook is more likely to get you another hook than staying around, it's a good idea to leave. But if you know there are other survivors nearby just waiting for you to leave, feel free to search the area for them instead.

As for where camping crosses the line from strategy to toxicity, it comes back to what I was saying earlier about intent. Camping, in and of itself, is never toxic. But it could be considered to be so if the killer doing it is willingly relinquishing a strategic advantage in order to camp the hook, just because they want to ruin the hooked survivor's game. An example of this might be if other survivors try to start a chase, but the killer refuses to chase or even hit them. If there are tactical reasons to camp, it's absolutely fine. If there is no tactical reason and it's purely about ruining the game for others, then it's toxic.

Thank you tbh from reading other threads I've seen on here a lot was unclear since it seems everyone has a biased opinion weather it be for killers or survivors. I appreciate the help

Fibijean

@ViciouscirceBU said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1119615#Comment_1119615

Thank you tbh from reading other threads I've seen on here a lot was unclear since it seems everyone has a biased opinion weather it be for killers or survivors. I appreciate the help

No worries! And yeah, everyone on the forums has some very different and very strong opinions. It can be hard to separate the wheat from the chaff sometimes, especially when you're new and unfamiliar enough with the game that you don't yet have strong opinions of your own.

FireHazard

@ViciouscirceBU

I'll just answer this in it's own sub-section below to keep everything neat and accessible for you.

• [Question] (Why do survivors wait at the exit gate and just egg you on to hit them. Like do they get more points if they leave injured? And also what describes a toxic killer/survivor.) [Answer] (They do this so you either get extra Brutality points, to essentially be nice, or to just meme at the end. Also, a Toxic Killer/Survivor is a player that actively wants to ruin the experience of the opposite side their playing against for their own amusement. So Survivors that trash talk in Post-Chat, BM, aka bad manners, at every pallet or window by T-bagging, pointing at every pallet stun or t-bagging, and any other acts of being obnoxious is considered "toxic". Some Survivors do this to meme, but others just do this to get the Killer angry. As for Killer, some Killers will "act toxic" by hitting the hooked Survivor, camping/tunneling them because they don't like that Survivor, brind a mori and trash talk in post-chat, etc. Essentially speaking a Survivor/Killer that's trying to ruin your experience in-game is considered "toxic". Don't be fooled into thinking a good looper or Killer is toxic, they're just playing the game and that's all.)
• [Question] (If you hook someone and two other survivors are right next to you and one tries to lead you away but you know the moment you chase that one the one who's hooked would get unhooked is it still considered camping. And I don't mean like face camp the person on the hook but like if you absolutely know for sure that two other survivors are hella close to you so you just wait for them to show themselves. I know I've read that some types of camping can me a gaming strategy but where dose it cross the line from strategy to toxicity) [Answer] (No, if you're aware that two Survivors are at the hook and waiting for you to leave than it's not entirely considered camping for several reasons. One, if you know two Survivors are there than you can either chase one and down them or damage both before chasing one to death. Two, because you know another Survivor will unhooked the hooked Survivor, you can hit one of them and double back to grab or hit the other Survivor that's attempting to unhook that Survivor. Doing this will nab you another down and you can just leave the hooked Survivor to be unhooked in that scenario. Or three, both Survivors can attempt to run to the hook and get an unhook from you, in this scenario you can just sit there and wait until you can grab one of the unhookers or just let the Survivor die on the hook. Because they did this scenario, it's not considered camping and it's entirely their fault for sitting there and letting the timer run out. If you just sit there and wait without anyone nearby, that's camping, if you monitor the area without knowing if someone is there, than that's proxy camping. Camping in itself isn't inherently toxic, but Survivors see it as a cheap tactic that less skilled or new Killers use to get kills. Players have been doing it since 2016, so it's not really anything to be ashamed about if you're new or not experienced enough.)

Unicorn

Aw 💜

Welcome to the Dead By Daylight community.

~Hugs~

But yes @Fibijean explained it well enough 💜

ViciouscirceBU

@Unicorn said:

Aw 💜

Welcome to the Dead By Daylight community.

~Hugs~

But yes @Fibijean explained it well enough 💜

Thanks yo.

FireHazard

@ViciouscirceBU said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1120866#Comment_1120866

Thanks yo.

By the way, if you have any other questions related or some-what on topic, than don't be afraid to ask.