Dear devs, please bring back the DC penalities!

Mister_xD

hey, so i know that there were issues with them, such as players whose games crashed receiving them, but since they were turned off i have gotten tons of ragequitters!

i mean, as a killer thats annoying and all, but as survivor it makes the entire game unwinnable - if they do it early enough (which is usually the case. they DC uppon being the first one downed, so there are 5 gens left at that point).

when you had the punishment system active ive had literally no ragequits. none.

now they are off and out of 2 games 3 people ragequit, making me just want to stop playing solo survivor (rank 3 btw. they insta ragequit at rank 3.)...

so please, polish them a little (so ppl whose games crashed wont get timed out for the next 50 hours) and then bring them back as fast as possible!

because i dont find this survivor experience at all enjoyable, at this point in time.

thank you very much.

DepressedClownMain

@Mister_xD said:

hey, so i know that there were issues with them, such as players whose games crashed receiving them, but since they were turned off i have gotten tons of ragequitters!

i mean, as a killer thats annoying and all, but as survivor it makes the entire game unwinnable - if they do it early enough (which is usually the case. they DC uppon being the first one downed, so there are 5 gens left at that point).

when you had the punishment system active ive had literally no ragequits. none.

now they are off and out of 2 games 3 people ragequit, making me just want to stop playing solo survivor (rank 3 btw. they insta ragequit at rank 3.)...

so please, polish them a little (so ppl whose games crashed wont get timed out for the next 50 hours) and then bring them back as fast as possible!

because i dont find this survivor experience at all enjoyable, at this point in time.

thank you very much.

What is the difference between a dc and a hook suicide? The people that dc are exactly the same people that will just kill themselves, but with the penalties you punish people crashing

Mister_xD

@DepressedClownMain said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/115029/dear-devs-please-bring-back-the-dc-penalities

What is the difference between a dc and a hook suicide? The people that dc are exactly the same people that will just kill themselves, but with the penalties you punish people crashing

hook suicides are a lot less common that ragequits tho.

when the penalities were on ive had very few players quitting (via hook suicide) - sure there were some, but majority just played the game normally.

idk why, but the hook suicides were just a LOT less common than the DCs currently are.

now, as ive said above, there is maybe one game in 5 that no one just insta quits.

it makes the game basically unplayable for solo players like me.

also, ive said above that i didnt want them to punish players for crashing.

i literally mention it in the first sentence.

have you read the OP?

Milo

When they fix game crashes and etc. then they'll probably turn it back on. Or after doing tests.

DepressedClownMain

@Mister_xD said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/943387#Comment_943387

hook suicides are a lot less common that ragequits tho.

when the penalities were on ive had very few players quitting (via hook suicide) - sure there were some, but majority just played the game normally.

idk why, but the hook suicides were just a LOT less common than the DCs currently are.

now, as ive said above, there is maybe one game in 5 that no one just insta quits.

it makes the game basically unplayable for solo players like me.

also, ive said above that i didnt want them to punish players for crashing.

i literally mention it in the first sentence.

have you read the OP?

@Mister_xD said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/943387#Comment_943387

hook suicides are a lot less common that ragequits tho.

when the penalities were on ive had very few players quitting (via hook suicide) - sure there were some, but majority just played the game normally.

idk why, but the hook suicides were just a LOT less common than the DCs currently are.

now, as ive said above, there is maybe one game in 5 that no one just insta quits.

it makes the game basically unplayable for solo players like me.

also, ive said above that i didnt want them to punish players for crashing.

i literally mention it in the first sentence.

have you read the OP?

While you said you didn't want crashing people to get punished, you still asked for the penalties back so they would still get punished. And you can argue that dcs are more common than hook suicides simply because they are quicker, and besides, I had people killing themselves on the hook while the penalties were active as much as dcs on the normal game

Mister_xD

@DepressedClownMain said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/944038#Comment_944038

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/944038#Comment_944038

While you said you didn't want crashing people to get punished, you still asked for the penalties back so they would still get punished. And you can argue that dcs are more common than hook suicides simply because they are quicker, and besides, I had people killing themselves on the hook while the penalties were active as much as dcs on the normal game

do me a favor and reread the OP.

ive already said everything you try to argue with me here up there, regarding the crashes.

but just in case, ill say it again:

i do not want the DC penalities return in the exact same state they have been in when they got first released. i explicitly said i do not wish for players whose games crashed to get punished and that they would need to be slightly altered before the rerelease.

i merely wished to give my feedback on them and inspire the Devs to bring them back as soon as possible, as they have been, at least for me, a huge improvement.

now regarding the hook suicides:

i cant tell how many hook suicides you've had. i can only share my own experiene with them, which was that, compared to the absurd amount of DCs ive gotten ever since the penalities were turned off, there have been very few.

it might be different on other ranks (i'm red rank with both killer and survivor - though i have been at purple ranks as survivor when the penalities were put in place), but from what i experienced hook suicides were a lot less common that DCs.

they are nevertheless a problem - but they are not a problem that is caused by DC penalities. hook suicides are a problem that is already in the game, which is just overshadowed by a different problem - the DCs - which would get fixed with the implementation of the new system. so yes, they definitely need to be addressed, however that doesnt mean we should ignore the DC epidemy that is going on right now.

if you wish to know my thoughts and possible solutions to this, i will go ahead and link you to a discussion regarding this exact topic i made when the penalities were on - with possible solutions to it for both sides:

@Mister_xD said:

Hello all,

todays diskussion is going to be about hooks, what i feel like is not optimal and what i would personally like to see changed about them.

i will take a look at the issue from both sides, so feel free to skip to whatever side interests you more.

please note that all these are issues i personally experienced ingame.

so without further ado, lets start!

Killers:

1. hook spawns:

i know hook spawns are mostly RNG and that there should be a hook every 24m, but sometimes there are not enough hooks around. i just recently had a game on Azarov's Resting Place (Autohaven Wreckers). the side of the map with the little office building on had a total of 3 hooks available. the next hook would have been at the middle of the map. with other words, if i had sacrificed one person on one of these hooks and someone else goes down there aswell, i'd be forced to bleed them out, since i wouldnt be able to reach another hook in time.

ive just had a similar experience on the Grim Pantry (Backwater Swamp), where i would have a total of two available hooks at the main building of the map - without the basement being inside of it. one was on a back corner and the other one was in the corner of the map next to the "window log" (you know what i mean). again, it was immensly hard to reach a hook uppon downing someone eigther inside the pantry or behind it. the next hook would, again, only be at the middle of the map.

what could be done here?

i dont really know. just increasing the hook spawn rate would probaply break other maps, however i feel like some more hooks on certain, big maps, would be appreciated.

2. hook suicides:

this is the big one.

so, since the DC penalities are put in place now, whats the new "leave the game early" solution?

insta killing yourself on the hook.

this not only screws over the survivors, but also the killers bloodpoint and emblem gain.

so what could be done?

thats pretty easy. add point score events for the killer when someone kills himself on the hook and charge up their emblems aswell.

here is my suggestion for point score events:

• "failed escape" (is granted for each failed self unhook attempt) - 200 BP (sacrifice category)
• "futile struggle" (is granted when a survivor fails at struggeling) - 500 BP (sacrifice category)

(they are also granted to you uppon sacrificing the last survivor, who is forcefully killed on the hook)

these would allow the killer to get a total of 2200 sacrifice points from a survivor killing himself on the hook, so if all 4 do it, you walk away with some nice 8k points in that category. on top of that, camping killers would not receive any bonuses, since the survivors who are just waiting on the hook (which is the course of action you should do against camping killers) would not grant any bonus points to them.

now regarding the emblems:

i dont know 100% how the emblems work and what is considered which quality, though i feel like failing 3 self unhook attempt and failing at the struggle should each count as a hook for the devout and malicious emblem.

that way, if they all killed themselves, you still get iridescent Devout and Malicious, so you dont depip.

Survivors:

1. hook suicides:

yes, those are also a problem on the other side.

they basically take away a player from the team and doom you and the others, which is not very fun for anyone.

so i thought lets at least give some bloodpoints for the remaining players.

so here is my suggestion for BP categories:

• "survivalist" (is granted when a survivor fails at struggeling) - 1000 BP (survival category)
• "left behind" (is granted when a survivor fails at struggeling) - 500 BP (altruism category)

i decided to give points in the two point categories that are the hardest to achieve when someone kills himself. survival is probaply not going to be an option if they do it early enough, so it grants more points than altruism, since you still have other players around you could get these from.

for emblems:

its pretty hard to find a fitting emblem for this, but i'd say the Benevolent emblem is gonna be the best to pick, since its the only one that actually relies on the team. so someone killing himself on the hook should count towards a safe unhook i'd say. since 3 safe unhooks equal iridescent Benevolent, 3 players killing themselves should grant you an iridescent emblem aswell.

we could name it "staying behind" in the score category of the emblem.

to show that you didnt abandon your team and stayed behind to help them escape, which would fit into the benevolent category pretty well.

2. being abandoned on the hook:

we all know this scenario:

you get hooked, but no one comes to rescue you. this has multiple reasons, they might just not feel like going for the rescue, or the killer might be camping you, etc.

this is also something many have asked for, so here is my suggestion:

• "abandoned" (is granted uppon entering a new hook state without you speeding up the process) - 2000 BP (survival category)
• "killer distraction" (is granted uppon entering a new hook stage with the killer being in a close proximity to you (kindred range, so 16m)) - 1500 BP (altruism category)

for emblems, id do it pretty similar:

uppon being put into the next hook stage without speeding up the process, you gain points towards the "unbroken" emblem. this is to show that your spirit has not been broken and you fought for as long as you could, even after being abandoned - this way you could get an gold unbroken emblem even with dying.

and when the killer is within a close proximity to you aswell, you gain bonus points towards the Lightbringer emblem, since you bought your team a lot of time to spend on gens.

how many points the emblems should give is up for diskussion. like i said, i dont know too much about how exactly they work, so it might be best if the devs decide that.

also, numbers are subject to change, ofc. thats purely a suggestion right now.

and thats it for now!

do you have other problems with hooks?

and what do you think of my solutions?

please tell me your thoughts down below!

have a wonderful day / night and i'll see you in the fog!

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