Legion... That Hate omg

johnyx

Hi Developers

Just wanted to tell you guys if you guys hate Legion so much just delete him and give us the points of purchase back that way we are not going to have an useless character who instead of getting buff gets more neff

I had my hopes up and purchase the Dia de los Muertos Skins both of them lol, it would be nice to get those points since nobody will use Legion if you guys keep making him worse and worse...

Mr_K

@Nobsyde said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/849743#Comment_849743

I don't really understand the line of thought:

• Did BT need a timer buff?
• Did Legion need a nerf?

I think everyone would agree that the answer is no.

If some add-on combined were ridiculous, then why not change the add-ons (duh!)?

Also, what about the basic attack change? Can you please read here?

You are not in the right state of mind to understand the Dev's brilliance.

MegHasCuteFeet

@Almo said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/849040#Comment_849040

The top mend time with Legion's two addons was ridiculous. So we considered, "What happens if we reduce mend time across the board?" Borrowed Time gets a buff, Legion gets a bit of a nerf, and some other things showed up on the list. We decided it was worthwhile to hit it across the board.

As always, we'll monitor the effect that has on the game, and act accordingly in the future.

Why are you buffing borrowed time? Are you out of your mind??????

This perk is 99% on every surv at high rank, probably best perk next to ds for surv.

HatCreature

@Nobsyde said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/849743#Comment_849743

I don't really understand the line of thought:

• Did BT need a timer buff?
• Did Legion need a nerf?

I think everyone would agree that the answer is no.

If some add-on combined were ridiculous, then why not change the add-ons (duh!)?

Also, what about the basic attack change? Can you please read here?

Yes changing the add-ons seem to be the right way to go if the Mend time was ridiculous WITH ADD-ONS, great thinking :)

Also, the Devs thought it was ridiculous, not the players. So we are totally ok with the time but they decided to nerf Legion's core ability anyway, wow. Not complaining actually gets results somehow, I totally feel like my opinion matters...

Skaraok

@Almo said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/849040#Comment_849040

The top mend time with Legion's two addons was ridiculous. So we considered, "What happens if we reduce mend time across the board?" Borrowed Time gets a buff, Legion gets a bit of a nerf, and some other things showed up on the list. We decided it was worthwhile to hit it across the board.

As always, we'll monitor the effect that has on the game, and act accordingly in the future.

So lemme get this straight.

You took a hard look at Legion and Borrowed Time, you KNOW Legion is a weak killer, and you KNOW Borrowed Time is a hard meta perk, and yet you and others on the developer team thought that nerfing Legion again was a GOOD IDEA?

Can you guys just openly admit that you despise killer players already?

(By the way, Legion's mend time with double Blades was 20 seconds. 20. #########. Seconds. And this was considered a "ridiculous" amount of time. Get the ######### out of here. You know how fast generators get finished.)

itsmetimohthy

At least Legion in Feral Frenzy won't be afraid of pallets anymore so long as they are running Nemesis lmao tap a Survivor, eat a pallet, follow them for a minute while they are oblivious and if they stop to mend down them. Nemesis is the best thing to happen to Legion because the Devs clearly hate them.

savevatznick

@Almo said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/849040#Comment_849040

The top mend time with Legion's two addons was ridiculous. So we considered, "What happens if we reduce mend time across the board?" Borrowed Time gets a buff, Legion gets a bit of a nerf, and some other things showed up on the list. We decided it was worthwhile to hit it across the board.

As always, we'll monitor the effect that has on the game, and act accordingly in the future.

So you guys unironically thought Borrowed Time needed a buff and Legion needed a nerf? I thought this post was a joke when someone referenced it.

se05239

@Mr_K said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/849770#Comment_849770

You are not in the right state of mind to understand the Dev's brilliance.

They're playing 5 dimensional chess and are 7½ steps ahead of us.

Raven014

@[Deleted User] said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/849270#Comment_849270

I'm fairly awful at the game and he is still one of my most effective killers even against red ranks, so he can't be that bad. Even if he was too weak though, doesn't change all my thoughts from a moment ago about the new changes.

I think that's your skill with the character more than the character itself. Or, more rather, despite the character itself.

This is coming from a P3 R3 Legion main. Even I think he's laughably weak compared to other killers.

Raven014

@Almo said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/849040#Comment_849040

The top mend time with Legion's two addons was ridiculous. So we considered, "What happens if we reduce mend time across the board?" Borrowed Time gets a buff, Legion gets a bit of a nerf, and some other things showed up on the list. We decided it was worthwhile to hit it across the board.

As always, we'll monitor the effect that has on the game, and act accordingly in the future.

So you guys are buffing BT as well... because that perk was clearly too weak...

Makes me wonder if you watch high rank play at all... because I certainly doubt you play at that rank.

Nothing against you guys, but you really need to look at where these changes affect gameplay the most first.... because what you see as weak sometimes isn't.

supersonic853

@Why__even said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/849743#Comment_849743

2 addons Mend time was "ridiculous" comparing to what? To 4 minutes 5 gens rush repair time? If it was too long with 2 addons, solution is VERY simple: Addons DO NOT stack. That's it - solved.

I haven't seen Legion after rework with 2 blades addons yet. Every Legion uses fatique or duration addons, cause fatique time guts him and base duration is not enough to reach anyone else after hit (addons do not help much either though). And I've seen maybe 2 or 3 Legions in red ranks after rework for all this time, I wonder why?

Borrowed Time gets a buff? BT is totally fine as it is. Why you try to fix something that isnt even broken and destroy completely something that is already in bad state?

Why Legion FF hits do not count as basic attack as of 3.4.0?? Every other Killer with M2 hits that do not count as basic attack can either down injured survivor or even oneshot him: Dash, Chainsaws, Hatchets, Shred, Corrupt Purge (Vile Purge apply Broken for rest of trial or until cleansed, which leads to Corrupt). Legion FF hits are NOT deadly to injured by any means.

Why Pin addons, while having some questional buff, do not apply their status effect to first hit survivor? With current size of maps Legion should be very lucky to chain FF twice, not even saying about 3 or 4 hits. Which still keep those addons totally useless.

Why addons of other Killer, which apply same statuses, do not have such restrictions?! Wraith, Huntress, Clown, etc.? Isnt it feels dumb if Huntress'es hatchet will apply blindness only from 2nd hatchet hit and reset after reload?

Yeah now that i think about it a lot of killers have addons that allow them to oneshot im surprised everyones so worried about Legion i mean michael can get a permant tier 3 and go around and onesmack everyone.

FogNoob

I really think the Legion would have to go through a Freddy kind of rework. Someone posted once about this idea of having the 4 legion guys in a match... but they would be hidden inside lockers that would act kinda like a teleport. I think that would make sense lore wise (having the actual whole LEGION in a match... but maybe the entity only allows one at a time to be in a match). And of course it would have a cooldown kinda like the demogorgon portals.

It would be another teleporting killer in the end but I think it would give the legion a well needed boost and also make sense with the lore.

Endstille

I think we kinda need another cosmetic at this point.

You know can we have legion clown cosmetics please?

MrsPiggyIsSoSneaky

@Almo said:

The goal was not to nerf Legion. We decided the overall benefits were worth it, and the Legion effect was small. This game is large and complex; it's hard to change anything without affecting something else. So it's always a cost/benefit analysis.

So a little speed and little duration = makes up for base power being useless other then just hitting people now? Good logic