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@Scarlett1111 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3953121#Comment_3953121
They are completely exploits, an exploit is something that is abused and not intended, you are meant to stop when both Wesker and blight hit walls, Oni is suppose to have a max cap of 90 degree turning. You can try to construe it and which way, and I never once say they are no skill. But they are most definitely exploits.
You named 2 killers that you can’t just pickup and get 4ks brainlessly meanwhile Ghoul has existed for months and dominates at every level no matter the skill level of the killer. The amount of “skill” required to play most killer is significantly lower than the skill needed to play survivor effectively and not be a walking bloodbag.
Oni was completely fine, before bhvr decided to Change him for literally no reason. He was one of the best balanced Killers in the game btw. And "techs" "exploits" whatever you wanna call it get part of the game overtime. For example crouch tech is also an "exploit", yet it often gets used against Demo or Hillbilly. Btw some "techs" in other Games changed the game completely even though it wasnt intented at First (Flip resets in Rocket League, Combos in Fighting Games). People like you liking that a good balanced killers gets nerfed just shows that you only care for your own survivor ass. And thats kinda pathetic
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@jedimaster505 said:
Tunneling is a low skill, high reward strategy. You can be a baby killer and still get decent results against experienced survivors doing it. So it always feels like a cheap, undeserved win, because it is. The kill rates are so high now on every single killer, that killers have nothing legitimate to complain about really, it's just nitpicking at this point. Sure, if they stopped tunneling and proxy camping and slugging, kill rates would decrease somewhat, however, they'd still win the majority of their matches playing honorably. The killers with inflated high MMR would lose a bit and go back to mid MMR where they should be. This idea that killers are forced to tunnel is nonsense.
The so-called "low tier" killers nowadays, are basically what used to be an S tier killer in 2016. The new S tier is really an S+++++++ tier killer. It's that easy. Killer mains nowadays are far more entitled than survivors. Survivors are complaining because they lose most of their matches as the stats are showing. Killers complain because their win streaks are broken by survivor teams that are better than them, in spite of winning most of their matches. Remember, all the meta perks that survivors bring is only the survivors' attempt to bring the average escape rate closer to 50%, and it still fails to accomplish this at the highest MMR with a 4 man SWF with comms. So killer mains have moved the goal posts very far over the years, such that they are basically gaslighting survivor mains when they say the game is survivor-sided.
Wraith is not weak in chase. He has very high mobility and can block vaults and pallets. Nor is Oni, who can easily 1 hit down at rapid speed with 180 flicks and then go slug everyone else quickly. Ghost Face can 1 hit down with stealth so he can down people quickly. Pig can use their stealth with perks to 1 hit down you and gets passive pressure with the head traps. Onryo can just abuse a build to get condemned stacks and 1 hit downs. If Onryo were "strong" in chase she would be unbeatable if the killer has any competence. She is very oppressive in the right hands as it is.
I repeat, killers do not need to tunnel to win. Most killer mains don't want to hear this, but it's a skill issue. However, the goal posts have moved so far that they feel entitled to 60%+ kill rates, which by definition, is not "balanced". But killer mains pretend that this unevenness is actually fairly balanced because it benefits their preferred role.
One last thing. While I have played both sides, it's just a myth that you need to play killer role to know that it is OP. The official kill rates and escape rates, plus experience playing survivor, plus watching killer and survivor main streamers, make it obvious that every single killer in the game wins most of their matches on average. Mechanically, even the "hardest" killers in Dead by Daylight are relatively easy to learn, but with a somewhat steeper learning curve than the others. However, the oppressiveness of a character like Nurse or Blight completely makes up for it.
First of all, tunneling is not "no skill" and an "EZ win". It is most of the time just the most effective way of winning the game. And there is nothing wrong with that. And it is pretty funny that you are not accepting that pig and Ghostface are very weak Killers. Killrates are over 50% you are correct. But why ist that so? People disconnecting, failed communication through soloq, poor decisions from the survivors and and and. Killers are not overpowered. Nurse is arguably the strongest or the second strongest Killer in the game, yet she hast the lowest Killrate. So not everything is black and White. Hope this post helps with your own entitlement :)